Danny Hope's Team Is Organized And Supervisory
For the duration of his tenure, Joe Tiller was infamously supposed to be the guy behind Tom Dienhart's bitchy anonymous quotes in the Sporting News. So it's good to know that the mustachioed Wilford Brimley impersonator doesn't fall far from the diabeetus commercial:
"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
This, as anyone who remembers the grand tenure of Garrett Bushong can tell you, is hypocritcal bunk. Purdue is an engineering college full of nerds that preserves a small section of itself so it can jam Big Ten athletes onto its campus. This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing. Presenting the Purdue major breakdown*:
Gimme Shelter
| Player | Year | Position | Major |
|---|---|---|---|
| Aristide, Ishmael | RS FR | Safety | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Cooks, LaSalle | SO | Defensive Tackle | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Crank, Jared | JR | Fullback | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Ezenwa, Nnamdi | SO | Linebacker | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Flood, De'Ron | FR | Tight End | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Foy, Trevor | RS FR | Offensive Tackle | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Gooden, Gerald | JR | Defensive End | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Greaves, DeVarro | JR | Linebacker | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Holmes, Gabe | FR | Tight End | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Humphrey, John | RS SR | Linebacker | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Johnson, Josh | SO | Cornerback | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Kelly, Dennis | JR | Offensive Tackle | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Lindsay, Jeff | RS SR | Tight End | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Lucas, Will | FR | Linebacker | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Short, Kawann | SO | Defensive Tackle | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Siller, Justin | JR | QB-RB-WR | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Smith, Cortez | SR | Wide Receiver | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Thomas, Tommie | SO | Wide Receiver | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Werner, Jason | GS | Linebacker | organizational leadership and supervision |
| Bush, Gary | RS FR | Wide Receiver | organizational leadership and supervision |
| SR | Running back | organizational leadership and supervision |
Count: 21.
I Can Manage And Stuff
| Player | Year | Position | Major |
|---|---|---|---|
| Panfil, Jeff | RS SR | Tight End | selling and sales management |
| Adams, Kyle | RS SR | Tight End | Management |
| Barry, Dan | JR | Offensive Guard | management |
| Dierking, Dan | SR | Fullback | management |
| Carlino, Chris | JR | Linebacker | building construction management technology |
| Shepherd, James | JR | Offensive Guard | building construction management technology |
| Wiggs, Carson | JR | Kicker-Punter | building construction management technology |
Count: 7.
Basically Kinesiology
Many Purdue players have variants on lifting weights all scientific-like as their majors:
| Player | Year | Position | Major |
|---|---|---|---|
| Edison, Antavian | SO | Wide Receiver | health and fitness |
| Evans, Albert | JR | Safety | health and fitness |
| Higgs, Antwon | SO | Linebacker | health and fitness |
| McDaniel, Eric | RS FR | Defensive Tackle | health and fitness |
| Melton, Xavier | RS FR | Offensive Guard | health and fitness |
| Pierce, Justin | RS SR | Offensive Guard | health and fitness |
| Roberts, Gavin | SO | Running Back | health and fitness |
| Williams, Charlton | JR | Cornerback | health and fitness |
| Holland, Joe | JR | Linebacker | movement and sport science |
| Kitchens, Justin | RS FR | Defensive End | movement and sport science |
| Taylor, Brandon | RS FR | Defensive Tackle | movement and sports science |
| Ballinger, Kevin | JR | Long Snapper | physical education |
| Mondek, Nick | JR | Offensive Tackle | physical education |
| Allen, Ricardo | FR | Cornerback | general health sciences |
Count: 14.
Majors That A Lot Of Football Players End Up In Everywhere
| Player | Year | Position | Major |
|---|---|---|---|
| McBurse, Al-Terek | SO | Running Back | communication |
| Mebane, Eric | SO | Defensive End | communication |
| Pamphile, Kevin | RS FR | Defensive Tackle | communication |
| Brewer, Andrew | SO | Center | sociology |
| Davis, Cody | RS FR | Center | sociology |
| Gravesande, Waynelle | JR | Wide Receiver | sociology |
| Plue, Ken | JR | Offensive Guard | sociology |
| TerBush, Caleb | SO | Quarterback | sociology |
| JR | Cornerback | sociology | |
| Bolden, Ralph | JR | Running Back | law and society |
| Marve, Robert | JR | Quarterback | law and society |
| Reese, Xavier | RS FR | Wide Receiver | law and society |
| Schmeig, Rick | SO | Center-Offensive Guard | law and society |
| Smith, Keith | RS SR | Wide Receiver | law and society |
Count: 14
Possibly Actual Majors
| Player | Year | Position | Major |
|---|---|---|---|
| Drey, Peters | SO | Center | industrial engineering |
| Maci, Robert | SO | Defensive End | industrial engineering |
| McKey, Colton | JR | Offensive Tackle | industrial technology/distribution |
| Kerrigan, Ryan | SR | Defensive End | math education |
| Jackson, Derek | SO | Fullback | computer technology |
| RS SR | Offensive Tackle | mechanical engineering |
Count: 6
The Grand Accounting
| Type | Count | Pct |
|---|---|---|
| One Specific Fake Football Major | 21 | 34% |
| Physical Education | 14 | 23% |
| Standard-Issue Cake Majors | 14 | 23% |
| You Too Can Supervise A McDonald's | 7 | 11% |
| Actual Engineering Type Majors | 6 | 10% |
| Total | 62 |
60% of Purdue's declared majors are either in one specific fake major or physical education. 90% of them are in stuff like the aforementioned, construction, or the usual diet of communications/sociology. Danny Hope should stick to personal grooming tips during his public appearances. That is all.
*(Notes and caveats: Purdue's site was pretty good about picking out walk-ons but some of the guys without bios or at positions like third string kicker or backup longsnapper didn't explicitly mention it. Kickers, punters, long snappers, and anyone without a bio or with a really short bio that didn't mention recruiting rankings is excluded. So are the folk explicitly declared walk-ons. Undecided players and those who "plan on" majoring in something or another are excluded, but the breakdown of the planning stuff was basically more of the same with a greater emphasis on "management.")
August 5th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^
You really need to shut the hell up on this one, Irish.
Either that, or go act like a smug asshole somewhere else.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^
alright alright, backing away slowly.....didn't realize its such a sensitive topic....
It's real easy: don't make snide remarks about things that you don't know about.
Edit: I do apologize for the "asshole" comment.
snide remark? I was asking a question about "things I don't know about", but thats fine. I was actually asking with the hope UM's general studies majors would be a lower % than purdue's which would have added an entire new level to his newly built glass house.
but all the fun has been taken out of it
If you were really, truly just asking an honest question, then I must ask why in the world you would use such vague phrasing?
I thought I was joining the pile on party with a passing remark, then I came back to the thread to see what funny things other people had posted but it had turned kind of ugly. So I tried to throw out a couple quick responses to mitigate all the new anger but it doesn't appear to have helped. So now I am just here watching,
Oh Jesus (sorry skunkbear), now you're playing the victim? You know what you were implying.
I've always been extremely supportive of you, but I'm rethinking it.
you really think this is the best I could do if I had intended to ruffle your feathers?
August 5th, 2010 at 12:56 PM ^
No need to back away... just read the posting more carefully next time. The meat is out front and hard to miss.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^
While I disagreed with your original comment, I didn't reply...the reason I am to this is the disingenuous responses. If you had, as an opposing fan, fairly took a cheap shot, hey, that's part of the game. And if you missed the point, and are called on it, turnabout. But as Chitown said...at least OWN it. Say, I took my shot, it didn't go over well, and wasn't even a good dig, because it doesn't logically work...but don't try and play it off as knowledge seeking, or over sensitive reactions. Because the blame the victim thing doesn't hide what you tried to do.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:47 PM ^
Donny, you're out of your element
August 5th, 2010 at 12:48 PM ^
You completely missed the point. Purdue took a shot at UM and Brian laid out the facts. Case closed.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^
Its a legit question. If UM has a higher percentage of (4 FAKES out of 5 and so on) fake majors, then it deserves to be criticized by Current Purdue Coach.
Not saying thats the case, just saying its worth comparing.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:58 PM ^
If UM has a higher percentage of (4 FAKES out of 5 and so on) fake majors, then it deserves to be criticized by Current Purdue Coach.
Uh, why exactly?
"deserves" isn't the right word. But the coach has a point (in that case), even if he's being a dick for pointing it out.
IF ITS A LEGIT CRITIQUE, I actually like the way he went about indirectly digging another school. Adds to the rivalry and what not and its a not-that-subtle indirect jab that I'd expect form Lloyd Carr (though he wouldn't do it to another b10 school, probably).
It seems the MGoRage should be restrained here unless we can convincingly argue that UofM is comparitavly equal (or better than) Purdue in declared-major-intergrity.
are you really this dense?
I sorta thought it was just buckeyes.
of 2 years ago and enough points to be a "trusted user," I'd have thought you knew better than making stupid mlive type comments like that. How about you make an argument instead of resorting to attacking people.
Because he never said "our guys take 1/8th MORE tough classes than other football players", he said they're taking summer school because they have no easy General Studies type courses (which isn't necessarily easy, but that's another topic)...and Brian has shown that they EXACTLY do....and the majority of his players are in it. So he's a liar, either way.
People may argue about the value of a BGS, or whatever, but you never saw Lloyd say "Ann Arbor News, nooooooooo, these kids aren't in these classes".
Technically you're right, but I wouln't expect Hope to make a nuanced statment that clearly defines his point - kinda takes the Zing away from the Zinger.
Presumably, by targeting UofM, Hope's point is that UofM funnels athletes to easy majors more than other schools. i.e. UM has less academic integrity in the football program.
Brian's saying "look you're not all that hot, yourself" proves Hope is a bit of a hypocrite. The next step would be to prove he's wrong about UofM, which is what I'm saying would be interesting to see.
"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."He's not saying of the 90 kids, way more of them take real courses. He's saying "we don't have a cake program like general studies, so all of our kids take some real classes too". And what Brian has painfully (for Coach Hope) pointed out so well is that they have the exact same stuff and easier at Purdue, and not a few, but the vast majority are in it. So that doesn't make Hope less nuanced...it just makes him a liar.
Hope is a liar, and what he said was totally hypocritical.
My point in saying "hey, it would be nice to also see a comparison" is to see if he has any validity to putting Purdue above Michigan in regard to academic integrity.
WTF are you talking about? He's responding to the assclown who took the podium at Big Ten Media Days and made the claim that, "We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
Brian even stated, "This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing."
I was laughing at the assclown with you....
August 5th, 2010 at 12:40 PM ^
Isn't Construction Technology Management all, like, not that easy and stuff? SRSLY?
are being sarcastic or not, but I was curious about this myself as I graduated from U of M with a degree in Civil Engineering with an emphasis in Construction Management. Therefore, I looked into the undergraduate course descriptions for Purdue's program. link
As suspected, the courses are no where near as intense as an engineering curriculum. With that said, there is still an emphasis in mathematics and basic engineering and I would have some respect for football players who take these courses (probably why there is only 3).
Kinda annoying that everyone else in our field has a CM degree from MSU or Ferris
on the consulting side of construction so most of my colleagues have engieering degrees. A CM degree won't get you very far in consulting since you can't get licensed as a Professional Engineer. For those that choose a career path on the Contracting side of construction, a CM degree might be the way to go. A PE license gives you some credibility but, unless you work for a design-build firm, it isn't really necessary.
so getting my PE would be pointless. Well, other than being able to show it off in my email signature.
I had a bunch of construction management or construction engineering students in the real estate classes I taught at North Dakota State (sort of a poor man's Purdue) a few years ago, and they were generally better than the other students in the class. I would move those guys in with real majors.
That was poorly written by me. I was being serious. That degree isn't for your average students in my experience.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:43 PM ^
Pile it on! I want Purdue to be the game every year where Rodriguez won't call off the dogs even if we're up by 60. (Ok, I want every game to be that way, but still...)
That would be a nice continuation of a Carr tradition. If I recall he used to leave the starters in against Tiller regardless of score.
Eh
If it ever got to that point, I'd much rather sit the starters rather than risk injury over hurt feelings. Then we steal their best recruits. That's a much more satisfying revenge.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^
By any media sources. I think papers in Indiana would at least be interested in it. This is a Fisking of immense proportions, as it DIRECTLY contradicts what Hope said. You could have pulled his pants down on the podium at Media Day and it wouldn't be as embarrassing.
Though I'd take it easy on some of those degrees that aren't Engineering. It's not like every other program at Michigan or otherwise are a joke. I hear you can make a pretty good salary with some other degrees... (though law and society is a major? What is that, pre-law?).
August 5th, 2010 at 12:54 PM ^
I was thinking law and society might be similar to criminal justice? Wondering more about that building construction management technology major, that one has me thrown for a loop
Which, I don't know...depending on how the programs are, and I don't know Purdue that well...aren't those management types the ones who the Engineers work for? Just saying...
Construction Management Technology, if I'm to take it seriously, which I don't know if I should or not, might be in the Construction Industry...? Those who can't design, as Engineers or Architects and such, manage Construction and Construction sites? I'm winging it here...
yeah I think it was the "technology" part that threw me off, it sounded more like a business type major but the "technology" had is straddling 2 different categories in my head,
I'll try to give some insight, as I assume it's the parallel to my major at Georgia Tech, which was called "Building Construction". At GT, there were exactly 0 athletes (of any nature, not just football) that I ran into in any BC classes. Actually, that's not true...there was a guy who ran track in one of my classes. It wasn't as reputable as an engineering degree, for obvious reasons, but still pretty well-respected. You still had to take physics, calc I and II, and two semesters of statics, so it was no cake walk. It was essentially 50/50 engineering and business in terms of class structure.
Don't get me wrong it's no CHBE (Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering), pretty widely regarded the hardest degree at GT, but it was not a joke.
Since you admitted you were winging it, just wanted to comment on the "those who can't design are construction managers" comment. Owners and developers pay millions of dollars for people other than those who designed the building to actually build it. A lot of the time in my experience most of what is designed is either inadequate to construct or physically impossible to construct.
Also worth noting that from my experience, 95% of athletes were in the management program at GT, and the others were sprinkled in other areas (International Affairs; History, Technology, and Society; and Literature, Communication, and Culture).
I've heard ITT Tech has a great program for Construction Managment.
It must be tough.
course descriptions for their Building Construction Magagement program above. Engineering it is not but I still have a hard time knocking it too much. BCM 285 and BCM 385 are actually probably pretty challenging courses.
Construction Project Managers pull down decent money ($100-200K).
August 5th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^
Love the classification. It'd be awesome to get the same breakdown of the UM roster, for comparisons sake.
In fact, if we're going to have blogs devoted to bylaws and oversigning, there should be a blog devoted to "declared major intergrity" to this for college sports.
August 5th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^
Noooooooo don't ask for a comparison!!!!!
August 5th, 2010 at 12:58 PM ^
I'd go find something else to do for a few hours, bro.
We are well aware that Michigan steers football players to less demanding curriculums. The point is that, despite Hope's inference, Purdue is no different.
Did that go over your head or are you just craving some attention from U of M fans?
Irish: here is what you'll find...
about half are BGS, but the subconcentrations are not usually listed. this is what confuses people re: BGS. It's like this: imagine if they listed only BS, BA or BSN or whatever instead of the MAJOR. IDK why they list only the degree (BGS) instead of the major.
about 40% are communications or kinesiology
about 10% are other majors: business, educations, science, etc.
This is off teh top of my head and a guestimate
thanks nice post up there too ^^^^
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