Fall Roster Overanalysis 2017 in Spring 2018!
Michigan did in fact release a spring roster this year, though this one gets the paint drying treatment, since even Steve Martin couldn’t get excited about the most recent phonebooks.
There are reasons for that. For one we kinda had a basketball thing going on the day they appeared. Two, we kinda had a hockey thing going on. Three, the roster release is what precipitated the Elysee Mbem-Bosse situation (because he wasn’t on it), and I didn’t think an irreverent post on the roster was appropriate right at that moment. And four, these are all the same weights from the game notes they put out for the media last year, which have finally been applied to the online 2017 rosters as well as the spring ones. I’ve taken to updating my spreadsheet whenever insiders said things like “Paye is up to 365” or a player posted his new number and will show that when it’s available, but those are not verified and therefore not included here.
But hey, it’s officially official offseason and it’ll be good to have this when we do get new rosters five minutes before Notre Dame kickoff and we can measure the Herbertization. So I’ll note all the actually new things, and we’ll hit the jump to see last year’s weight gains/losses and make totally unrealistic judgments about it.
NUMBER CHANGES
We’ve discussed some of these already but seeing them all might put those in better context.
- Kekoa Crawford: 1—>41
- Jordan Anthony: 1—>34
- Kareem Walker: 6—>46
- Nate Schoenle: 35—>81
- Shea Patterson: 2
- Joe Milton: 5
- Taylor Upshaw: 91
- Myles Sims: 6
We have an interview with Schoenle going in HTTV so I got the author to confirm that number changed because Schoenle and Uche are both on special teams. Kareem Walker’s change was also his choice I’m told, part of a refocusing process that’s less about “I’m the next Tyrone Wheatley!” and more “I’m going to be my best myself.” He probably didn’t realize he just went to the number of an even greater former Wolverine, Harry Newman (or early ’80s star running back Lawrence Ricks).
In the absence of an explanation for Crawford’s number switch, along with his non-mention in spring, it’s not hard to speculate negative things. On the other hand, I remind you 41 was Rob Lytle, and Harbaugh was the ball boy on those teams, and I guarantee you he wouldn’t miss a chance to point this out if someone groused about wearing it. It also could just mean Kekoa has joined the kick return unit too so he can’t have the same number as Ambry Thomas.
HEIGHT CHANGES
I don’t know why so many of these changed—dudes don’t usually grow taller in college and only fullbacks shrink—but they did so I’ll report them. As best I can tell originally they just grabbed whatever was listed on the Rivals database, and now they report their own measurements.
- Up 2 inches: Josh Uche 6’1”—>6’3”; Devin Gil 6’0”—>6’2”
- Up 1 inch: Ben Bredeson 6’4”—>6’5”; Juwann Bushell-Beatty 6’5”—>6’6”; Noah Furbush 6’4”—>6’5”; Ron Johnson 6’3”—>6’4”; Khaleke Hudson 5’11”—>6’0”; Kekoa Crawford 6’1”—>6’2”; Cesar Ruiz 6’3”—>6’4”; and Andrew Stueber 6’6”—>6’7”
- Down an inch: David Long 6’0”—>5’11; Eddie McDoom 6’1”—>6’0”; Nick Eubanks 6’6”—>6’5”; Kurt Taylor 5’9”—>5’8”; O’Maury Samuels 5’11”—>5’10”; Tarik Black 6’4”—>6’3”; Nico Collins 6’5”—>6’4”; Quinn Nordin 6’2”—>6’1”
- Down 2 inches: Donovan Jeter 6’5”—>6’3”
Any David Long + Lavert Hill photo could tell you they were the same height—if anything Hill is taller—so that one doesn’t surprise me. Adding an inch to offensive linemen makes people who put stock in roster data (ahem) think those OL are better pro prospects, so that could be what that is. Ditto linebackers.
POSITION CHANGES
These don’t show as much as they should because Michigan’s positional definitions are as vague (OL, LB, DB, etc.) as possible. Also you know about them already: Jared Wangler moved to fullback, and they’re now listing the vipers Khaleke Hudson and Jordan Glasgow as linebackers.
The changes we’ve heard about are Glasgow swapped with Hawkins for SS/Viper, Uche stayed with the OLB group at his request instead of trying out at DE, Irving-Bey is with the tackles, and Joel Honigford is with the guards.
WELCOME TO THE DATABASE FRESHMEN!
After signing day Michigan snuck a new page into its roster list with the guys who’d signed their LOIs. No numbers yet but it’s an opportunity to publish their listed weights versus what the services had them at. I included the early enrollees.
Height | Weight | ||||||||||||
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Name | Pos | Mich | 247 | Rivals | ESPN | Scout | Mich | 247 | Rivals | ESPN | Scout | ||
Joe Milton | QB | 6'5" | +0.5 | - | - | -0.5 | 220 | +10 | -20 | +12 | - | ||
Michael Barrett | ATH | 6'0" | -0.5 | - | - | x | 215 | - | -15 | +8 | x | ||
Hassan Haskins | RB | 6'1" | - | - | - | 207 | -5 | +5 | -5 | x | |||
Christian Turner | RB | 5'11" | - | -1 | -1 | - | 185 | +2 | -7 | +7 | - | ||
Ben VanSumeren | FB | 6'3" | - | - | - | x | 232 | -4 | +7 | -20 | x | ||
Ronnie Bell | WR | 6'1" | - | - | -1 | x | 174 | -4 | - | - | x | ||
Ryan Hayes | TE | 6'7" | - | - | -1 | - | 262 | -10 | -2 | +5 | -3 | ||
Mustapha Muhammad | TE | 6'4" | - | +1 | - | 244 | -9 | +5 | -5 | x | |||
Luke Schoonmaker | TE | 6'6" | - | - | -1 | - | 229 | -4 | +4 | -4 | - | ||
Jalen Mayfield | OL | 6'5" | - | - | +1 | - | 275 | -2 | -23 | +10 | +13 | ||
Aidan Hutchinson | DL | 6'6" | - | - | +1 | -1 | 258 | +2 | +6 | -17 | -15 | ||
Julius Welschof | DL | 6'6" | - | - | -1 | x | 253 | -5 | +2 | - | x | ||
Taylor Upshaw | DL | 6'4" | +1 | - | - | x | 240 | - | -5 | +5 | x | ||
Cameron McGrone | LB | 6'1" | - | - | +1 | - | 225 | -10 | -5 | +4 | +1 | ||
Sammy Faustin | DB | 6'2" | - | - | -1 | - | 190 | - | -20 | +7 | +13 | ||
Vincent Gray | DB | 6'2" | - | - | - | x | 180 | - | -15 | +14 | x | ||
German Green | DB | 6'2" | - | - | - | - | 178 | -10 | +12 | -12 | - | ||
Gemon Green | DB | 6'2" | - | - | - | - | 175 | -10 | +8 | -8 | - | ||
Myles Sims | DB | 6'3" | -0.5 | - | - | -0.5 | 173 | - | - | - | - |
Also Utah transfer Casey Hughes was listed at 5’11”/195 by Utah and 6’0”/185 by Michigan, whatever that means.
For those counting at home, here’s how close the services got to whatever the school decided to list them at, on average:
- 247: Off by 0.13 inches and 4.58 lbs
- Rivals: Off by 0.11 inches and 8.47 lbs
- ESPN: Off by 0.47 inches and 7.53 lbs
So I guess use Rivals’ heights and 247’s weights? This would be fun to do on a larger basis. Scout data is included from what I grabbed before the merger but I didn’t have enough to count them.
[Hit THE JUMP if you want to see last year’s weight gain 2000 chart, which I remind you again only exists so I have something to work off of next fall]
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QUARTERBACKS | ||||||||
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Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Shea Patterson | 200* | 203 | +3 | |||||
Brandon Peters | 216 | 220 | +4 | |||||
Dylan McCaffrey | 199 | |||||||
Joe Milton | 220† | |||||||
RUNNING BACKS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Karan Higdon | 190 | 189 | 190 | -1 | +1 | |||
Kareem Walker | 207 | 211 | +4 | |||||
Chris Evans | 200 | 206 | +6 | |||||
O'Maury Samuels | 192 | |||||||
Kurt Taylor | 194 | |||||||
FULLBACKS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Jared Wangler | 219 | 230 | 230 | 229 | 240 | +11 | -1 | +11 |
Ben Mason | 251 | |||||||
WIDE RECEIVERS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Grant Perry | 185 | 196 | 191 | +11 | -5 | |||
Eddie McDoom | 180 | 181 | +1 | |||||
Oliver Martin | 198 | |||||||
Nate Schoenle | 185 | 192 | +7 | |||||
Kekoa Crawford | 195 | 187 | -8 | |||||
Donovan Peoples-Jones | 199 | |||||||
Tarik Black | 206 | |||||||
Nico Collins | 206 | |||||||
TIGHT ENDS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Zach Gentry | 230 | 244 | 248 | +14 | +4 | |||
Tyrone Wheatley Jr. | 260 | 276 | 265 | +16 | -11 | |||
Nick Eubanks | 236 | 240 | +4 | |||||
Sean McKeon | 240 | 248 | +8 | |||||
OFFENSIVE LINE | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Stephen Spanellis | 335 | 307 | -28 | |||||
Cesar Ruiz | 316 | |||||||
Ben Bredeson | 310 | 308 | -2 | |||||
Michael Onwenu | 350 | 350 | - | |||||
Andrew Vastardis | 305 | 311 | +6 | |||||
Joel Honigford | 275 | |||||||
Juwann Bushell-Beatty | 319 | 319 | 319 | 311 | 315 | - | -8 | +4 |
Grant Newsome | 280 | 318 | 314 | +38 | -4 | |||
Nolan Ulizio | 293 | 291 | 295 | -2 | +4 | |||
Jon Runyan Jr. | 275 | 304 | 298 | +29 | -6 | |||
Chuck Filiaga | 345 | |||||||
James Hudson | 302 | |||||||
Andrew Stueber | 314 | |||||||
DEFENSIVE TACKLES | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Bryan Mone | 312 | 325 | 325 | 310 | 325 | +13 | -15 | +15 |
Aubrey Solomon | 297 | |||||||
Phillip Paea | 275 | |||||||
Lawrence Marshall | 241 | 238 | 238 | 268 | 285 | -3 | +30 | +17 |
Michael Dwumfour | 300 | 290 | -10 | |||||
Deron Irving-Bey | 274 | |||||||
Donovan Jeter | 288 | |||||||
DEFENSIVE ENDS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Rashan Gary | 287 | 281 | -6 | |||||
Ron Johnson | 245 | 264 | +19 | |||||
Carlo Kemp | 255 | 264 | +9 | |||||
Chase Winovich | 220 | 227 | 230 | 245 | 253 | +10 | +15 | +8 |
Reuben Jones | 225 | 222 | 245 | -3 | +23 | |||
Luiji Vilain | 242 | |||||||
Kwity Paye | 241 | |||||||
Taylor Upshaw | 240† | |||||||
LINEBACKERS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Noah Furbush | 210 | 217 | 217 | 238 | 240 | +7 | +21 | +2 |
Josh Uche | 217 | 226 | +9 | |||||
Jordan Anthony | 236 | |||||||
Devin Bush | 232 | 225 | -7 | |||||
Drew Singleton | 219 | |||||||
Devin Gil | 230 | 220 | -10 | |||||
Josh Ross | 229 | |||||||
SAFETIES | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Jordan Glasgow | 200 | 210 | 210 | +10 | - | |||
Khaleke Hudson | 205 | 205 | - | |||||
Josh Metellus | 204 | 199 | -5 | |||||
Brad Hawkins | 204 | |||||||
J'Marick Woods | 203 | |||||||
Tyree Kinnel | 200 | 206 | 201 | +6 | -5 | |||
Jaylen Kelly-Powell | 173 | |||||||
CORNERBACKS | ||||||||
Player | 2014 | Sp'15 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 14 to 15 | 15 to 16 | 16 to 17 |
Brandon Watson | 188 | 189 | 189 | 203 | 200 | +1 | +14 | -3 |
Casey Hughes, the Utah transfer | 185 | 185 | 195 | 195 | - | +10 | - | |
David Long | 187 | 187 | - | |||||
Lavert Hill | 168 | 177 | +9 | |||||
Ambry Thomas | 179 | |||||||
Benjamin St-Juste | 193 | |||||||
Myles Sims | 173† |
* Shea’s 2016 weight is from Ole Miss’s roster. He was listed at 200 both years.
**Ditto Casey Hughes the transfer from Utah
† Early enrollee weights are from 2018, obviously
You'll see a surprising number of them have lost an inch or more in height between their freshman and senior seasons. That's why I routinely decrease the height claimed by incoming freshman. A good deal of it is bunk.
Or...their spines have compressed from all the crashing around the field and into other huge men running full speed in the opposite direction over the course of 4 years.
was going to put "/s" but now I'm not so sure ...
St-Juste weight is respectable. I'm still hoping he turns into a viable option at cover god.
I would be most curious to see how players differ from their listed last year in college to their measurements in the Combine. Just off the top of my head I think Denard was listed at UM at 6'0" and 5'10" at the Combine, Jabrill 6'1" at UM and 5'10" at Combine. I feel like in general we tend to list guys 1-2" taller and 5-10 lbs heavier than they really are.
I forgot that the latter existed, but I'm henceforth going to refer to German Green as "Small German" and Julius Welschof as "Large German"
the summer daze...
...
Have they ever said exactly what Luiji Vilain's injury is or was during Spring ball?
Would love to see that kid start working his way into the D line rotation!
I love Summer but I'm ready for Fall!
Go Blue!!
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