Fall Roster Overanalysis 2017 in Spring 2018! Comment Count

Seth May 9th, 2018 at 9:40 AM

Michigan did in fact release a spring roster this year, though this one gets the paint drying treatment, since even Steve Martin couldn’t get excited about the most recent phonebooks.

There are reasons for that. For one we kinda had a basketball thing going on the day they appeared. Two, we kinda had a hockey thing going on. Three, the roster release is what precipitated the Elysee Mbem-Bosse situation (because he wasn’t on it), and I didn’t think an irreverent post on the roster was appropriate right at that moment. And four, these are all the same weights from the game notes they put out for the media last year, which have finally been applied to the online 2017 rosters as well as the spring ones. I’ve taken to updating my spreadsheet whenever insiders said things like “Paye is up to 365” or a player posted his new number and will show that when it’s available, but those are not verified and therefore not included here.

But hey, it’s officially official offseason and it’ll be good to have this when we do get new rosters five minutes before Notre Dame kickoff and we can measure the Herbertization. So I’ll note all the actually new things, and we’ll hit the jump to see last year’s weight gains/losses and make totally unrealistic judgments about it.

NUMBER CHANGES

We’ve discussed some of these already but seeing them all might put those in better context.

  • Kekoa Crawford: 1—>41
  • Jordan Anthony: 1—>34
  • Kareem Walker: 6—>46
  • Nate Schoenle: 35—>81
  • Shea Patterson: 2
  • Joe Milton: 5
  • Taylor Upshaw: 91
  • Myles Sims: 6

We have an interview with Schoenle going in HTTV so I got the author to confirm that number changed because Schoenle and Uche are both on special teams. Kareem Walker’s change was also his choice I’m told, part of a refocusing process that’s less about “I’m the next Tyrone Wheatley!” and more “I’m going to be my best myself.” He probably didn’t realize he just went to the number of an even greater former Wolverine, Harry Newman (or early ’80s star running back Lawrence Ricks).

In the absence of an explanation for Crawford’s number switch, along with his non-mention in spring, it’s not hard to speculate negative things. On the other hand, I remind you 41 was Rob Lytle, and Harbaugh was the ball boy on those teams, and I guarantee you he wouldn’t miss a chance to point this out if someone groused about wearing it. It also could just mean Kekoa has joined the kick return unit too so he can’t have the same number as Ambry Thomas.

HEIGHT CHANGES

I don’t know why so many of these changed—dudes don’t usually grow taller in college and only fullbacks shrink—but they did so I’ll report them. As best I can tell originally they just grabbed whatever was listed on the Rivals database, and now they report their own measurements.

  • Up 2 inches: Josh Uche 6’1”—>6’3”; Devin Gil 6’0”—>6’2”
  • Up 1 inch: Ben Bredeson 6’4”—>6’5”; Juwann Bushell-Beatty 6’5”—>6’6”; Noah Furbush 6’4”—>6’5”; Ron Johnson 6’3”—>6’4”; Khaleke Hudson 5’11”—>6’0”; Kekoa Crawford 6’1”—>6’2”; Cesar Ruiz 6’3”—>6’4”; and Andrew Stueber 6’6”—>6’7”
  • Down an inch: David Long 6’0”—>5’11; Eddie McDoom 6’1”—>6’0”; Nick Eubanks 6’6”—>6’5”; Kurt Taylor 5’9”—>5’8”; O’Maury Samuels 5’11”—>5’10”; Tarik Black 6’4”—>6’3”; Nico Collins 6’5”—>6’4”; Quinn Nordin 6’2”—>6’1”
  • Down 2 inches: Donovan Jeter 6’5”—>6’3”

Any David Long + Lavert Hill photo could tell you they were the same height—if anything Hill is taller—so that one doesn’t surprise me. Adding an inch to offensive linemen makes people who put stock in roster data (ahem) think those OL are better pro prospects, so that could be what that is. Ditto linebackers.

    POSITION CHANGES

    These don’t show as much as they should because Michigan’s positional definitions are as vague (OL, LB, DB, etc.) as possible. Also you know about them already: Jared Wangler moved to fullback, and they’re now listing the vipers Khaleke Hudson and Jordan Glasgow as linebackers.

    The changes we’ve heard about are Glasgow swapped with Hawkins for SS/Viper, Uche stayed with the OLB group at his request instead of trying out at DE, Irving-Bey is with the tackles, and Joel Honigford is with the guards.

    WELCOME TO THE DATABASE FRESHMEN!

    After signing day Michigan snuck a new page into its roster list with the guys who’d signed their LOIs. No numbers yet but it’s an opportunity to publish their listed weights versus what the services had them at. I included the early enrollees.


    Height Weight
    Name Pos Mich 247 Rivals ESPN Scout Mich 247 Rivals ESPN Scout
    Joe Milton QB 6'5" +0.5 - - -0.5 220 +10 -20 +12 -
    Michael Barrett ATH 6'0" -0.5 - - x 215 - -15 +8 x
    Hassan Haskins RB 6'1" - - - 207 -5 +5 -5 x
    Christian Turner RB 5'11" - -1 -1 - 185 +2 -7 +7 -
    Ben VanSumeren FB 6'3" - - - x 232 -4 +7 -20 x
    Ronnie Bell WR 6'1" - - -1 x 174 -4 - - x
    Ryan Hayes TE 6'7" - - -1 - 262 -10 -2 +5 -3
    Mustapha Muhammad TE 6'4" - +1 - 244 -9 +5 -5 x
    Luke Schoonmaker TE 6'6" - - -1 - 229 -4 +4 -4 -
    Jalen Mayfield OL 6'5" - - +1 - 275 -2 -23 +10 +13
    Aidan Hutchinson DL 6'6" - - +1 -1 258 +2 +6 -17 -15
    Julius Welschof DL 6'6" - - -1 x 253 -5 +2 - x
    Taylor Upshaw DL 6'4" +1 - - x 240 - -5 +5 x
    Cameron McGrone LB 6'1" - - +1 - 225 -10 -5 +4 +1
    Sammy Faustin DB 6'2" - - -1 - 190 - -20 +7 +13
    Vincent Gray DB 6'2" - - - x 180 - -15 +14 x
    German Green DB 6'2" - - - - 178 -10 +12 -12 -
    Gemon Green DB 6'2" - - - - 175 -10 +8 -8 -
    Myles Sims DB 6'3" -0.5 - - -0.5 173 - - - -

    Also Utah transfer Casey Hughes was listed at 5’11”/195 by Utah and 6’0”/185 by Michigan, whatever that means.

    For those counting at home, here’s how close the services got to whatever the school decided to list them at, on average:

    • 247: Off by 0.13 inches and 4.58 lbs
    • Rivals: Off by 0.11 inches and 8.47 lbs
    • ESPN: Off by 0.47 inches and 7.53 lbs

    So I guess use Rivals’ heights and 247’s weights? This would be fun to do on a larger basis. Scout data is included from what I grabbed before the merger but I didn’t have enough to count them.

    [Hit THE JUMP if you want to see last year’s weight gain 2000 chart, which I remind you again only exists so I have something to work off of next fall]

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    QUARTERBACKS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Shea Patterson 200* 203 +3
    Brandon Peters 216 220 +4
    Dylan McCaffrey 199
    Joe Milton 220†
    RUNNING BACKS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Karan Higdon 190 189 190 -1 +1
    Kareem Walker 207 211 +4
    Chris Evans 200 206 +6
    O'Maury Samuels 192
    Kurt Taylor 194
    FULLBACKS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Jared Wangler 219 230 230 229 240 +11 -1 +11
    Ben Mason 251
    WIDE RECEIVERS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Grant Perry 185 196 191 +11 -5
    Eddie McDoom 180 181 +1
    Oliver Martin 198
    Nate Schoenle 185 192 +7
    Kekoa Crawford 195 187 -8
    Donovan Peoples-Jones 199
    Tarik Black 206
    Nico Collins 206
    TIGHT ENDS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Zach Gentry 230 244 248 +14 +4
    Tyrone Wheatley Jr. 260 276 265 +16 -11
    Nick Eubanks 236 240 +4
    Sean McKeon 240 248 +8
    OFFENSIVE LINE
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Stephen Spanellis 335 307 -28
    Cesar Ruiz 316
    Ben Bredeson 310 308 -2
    Michael Onwenu 350 350 -
    Andrew Vastardis 305 311 +6
    Joel Honigford 275
    Juwann Bushell-Beatty 319 319 319 311 315 - -8 +4
    Grant Newsome 280 318 314 +38 -4
    Nolan Ulizio 293 291 295 -2 +4
    Jon Runyan Jr. 275 304 298 +29 -6
    Chuck Filiaga 345
    James Hudson 302
    Andrew Stueber 314
    DEFENSIVE TACKLES
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Bryan Mone 312 325 325 310 325 +13 -15 +15
    Aubrey Solomon 297
    Phillip Paea 275
    Lawrence Marshall 241 238 238 268 285 -3 +30 +17
    Michael Dwumfour 300 290 -10
    Deron Irving-Bey 274
    Donovan Jeter 288
    DEFENSIVE ENDS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Rashan Gary 287 281 -6
    Ron Johnson 245 264 +19
    Carlo Kemp 255 264 +9
    Chase Winovich 220 227 230 245 253 +10 +15 +8
    Reuben Jones 225 222 245 -3 +23
    Luiji Vilain 242
    Kwity Paye 241
    Taylor Upshaw 240†
    LINEBACKERS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Noah Furbush 210 217 217 238 240 +7 +21 +2
    Josh Uche 217 226 +9
    Jordan Anthony 236
    Devin Bush 232 225 -7
    Drew Singleton 219
    Devin Gil 230 220 -10
    Josh Ross 229
    SAFETIES
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Jordan Glasgow 200 210 210 +10 -
    Khaleke Hudson 205 205 -
    Josh Metellus 204 199 -5
    Brad Hawkins 204
    J'Marick Woods 203
    Tyree Kinnel 200 206 201 +6 -5
    Jaylen Kelly-Powell 173
    CORNERBACKS
    Player 2014 Sp'15 2015 2016 2017 14 to 15 15 to 16 16 to 17
    Brandon Watson 188 189 189 203 200 +1 +14 -3
    Casey Hughes,
    the Utah transfer
    185 185 195 195 - +10 -
    David Long 187 187     -
    Lavert Hill 168 177 +9
    Ambry Thomas 179
    Benjamin St-Juste 193
    Myles Sims 173†

    * Shea’s 2016 weight is from Ole Miss’s roster. He was listed at 200 both years.
    **Ditto Casey Hughes the transfer from Utah   
    † Early enrollee weights are from 2018, obviously

    Comments

    OwenGoBlue

    May 9th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^

    With the new kickoff rules there will be more opportunity/need for the deepest blockers to field and fair catch. Where teams may have had fullback types there before, a WR/RB who can block may be the new ideal.

    The season will tell us how it plays out but I expect we’ll see more high and relatively short kicks. If they’re going to get the ball at the 25 anyway smart teams with good kickers will (at least situationally) try to make you fair catch it vs boom it into the end zone. Potential for muffed kicks and negates the long return risk.

    outsidethebox

    May 9th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

    I'm very curious what kind of strategies will be used on both sides of the ball with this rule change. How will the kicking team (attempt to) pin the opposition deep? It would seem as though the only option will be to try to have a low driving kick bounce at the 15-20. But with this the receiving team would have a good return opportunity if they can catch it in the air and immediately head up field. 

    JeepinBen

    May 9th, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^

    Do we get a cookie if we read the whole thing?

    Also, I wish all personal weight gain was good like it is for football. It'll be really interesting to see what Herbert does to these weights.

    MGoStrength

    May 9th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

    I think that's more a reflection of their running style than their size.  Higdon is more of a one cut and go kind of guy.  He is better at putting his foot in the ground and either lowering his shoulder or taking off and has great straight line speed.  Evans doesn't have great straight line speed, but has very good lateral quickness and agility.

    OwenGoBlue

    May 9th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^

    Saw Evans use a subtle move or head fake to get guys off balance then run through quite a few arm tackles in a way he couldn’t as a freshman. He recently posted highlights on twitter and they’re full of those plays.

    To your point on style Higdon is more likely to try and bowl a guy over.

    Gocannon16

    May 9th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^

    Edit: I can't read

    Edit 2: Might as well say something since I can't figure out how to delete. Ummm... boy is Herbert going to have fun with Sims and the Green Bros, or what?!

    MotownGoBlue

    May 9th, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^

    JBB has looked closer to 6'7" than 6'5" for a few years, so I'd imagine that's a correction vs. a change in height.

    Jeter from 6'5" to 6'3"...I dunno.

    Blue in PA

    May 9th, 2018 at 11:31 AM ^

    Matt Brown, the best players from Ohio, walk on at Michigan.  

    That makes me smile.   Now a win against the suckeyes and the tshirt will go on sale.