OSU Wins Due To Refs Agains

Submitted by Cali Citrus Man on

When is the rest of the Big 10 going to stand up to this?  What has Warde Manuel done to stop it from happening to Michigan again?

Wisconsin got totally screwed by the refs.  It was the most blatant defensive holding this year. 

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PapabearBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:42 AM ^

Why?

I really don't understand the reasoning why a team winning its conference should have anything to do with the playoffs.

What if your conference sucks balls that year? What if the conference champ is like 8-3 and the conference sucks but in a difference conference you've got a 12-1 that lost the conference champ to a now 13-0 team but those teams destroyed everyone else. Or what if they're both 12-1 with their losses as close losses to each other but destroyed everyone else? Should the 8-3 be in over them? Certainly not.

Auto-bidding a conference champion in is one of the worst ways I can think of making it about finding the best teams. At that point it's just some silly end of season competition that means even less than the BCS bowls did.

Penn state didn't deserve to be in last year. Everyone knew it, and it was fair that they got left out. All the hype they got this year was based on them finishing strong and they shit the bed this year. They basically just proved why autobids shouldn't happen.

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:55 AM ^

"What if your conference sucks balls that year?" I never said winning your conference equals auto-bidding. There are only 4 spots. "At that point it's just some silly end of season competition that means even less than the BCS bowls did." At least with conference champs, the teams are decided by their record, not some made up eyeball test. "Penn state didn't deserve to be in last year." I disagree, PSU deserved it. I'm not saying they were a better team, but meritocracy and all. "They basically just proved why autobids shouldn't happen." And OSU getting destroyed proves your point... Try again.

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PapabearBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 3:14 AM ^

"With conference champs the teams are decided by their record, not some made up eyeball test".

Other than an 8-3 champ getting in over a 12-1 not champ.

"I disagree, PSU deserved it. I'm not saying they were a better team, but meritocracy and all."

In a meritocracy the best teams would get in. Shoeing some other team in because of a silly rule rather than because they were the "best" is the opposite of a meritocracy.

"And OSU getting destroyed proves your point... Try again."

I never once said that OSU should have been in last year.

 

So.... "try again".

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 9:38 PM ^

"I never once said that OSU should have been in last year." Wow, you got butt hurt pretty easily. Ok, so what was your point by saying that PSU shouldn't have been auto-bidded in? "Other than an 8-3 champ getting in over a 12-1 not champ." Sure, why not? What if the conference is really tough and everyone is beating up on each other? If record is so important, why did Alabama get in over UCF? "In a meritocracy the best teams would get in." Thanks for the definition coach... So how are you determining that "best" team? Exactly, try again.

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Jonesy

December 3rd, 2017 at 6:51 PM ^

Yeah, it's not really Bama's fault that FSU either quit when their QB went down or were just much shittier than usual. Nor is it their fault that the SEC only plays 8 games. It is their fault their other 3 OOC games are complete garbage. But in the end it doesn't matter who's fault it is it still remains they played one decent team (and 2 or 3 teams ranked for no reason that they pretend are good) and lost. Neither they nor OSU are deserving.

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ThadMattasagoblin

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^

I still think alabama gets in based on the eye test. It wasnt a convincing win. I cant remember the last time we had a call go our way at the end of a big game like osu gets in pretty much every game.

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Jimmyisgod

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:18 AM ^

The eye that saw Bama get crushed by Auburn, also a team not in the playoffs. Or a team that played Mercer the week before. Bama played a weak schedule this season. They don't deserve to get in. Bama gets in and it's a message that you should play cupcakes and that conference titles mean nothing. OSU doesn't deserve it either.

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PapabearBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 3:10 AM ^

Conference titles should mean nothing.

 

I mean, yeah, having an extra win on your schedule against what is probably a pretty decent team, that should probably at least be factored for. But why should winning the conference title mean anything?

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NYCBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^

But I have zero faith in the committee to actually put the four best teams in.  OSU should not even be in consideration given their body of work, and yet the committee set them up just for this scenario so that it won't look like complete horseshit when they leap OSU over Bama.

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SD Larry

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^

The missed pi call the same play as the Wisky hold is just embarrassingly bad officiating.  Shoe string tackle on receiver on catchable ball.  Admit though OSU looked like better team tonight. 

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BlueInWisconsin

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:11 AM ^

The refs didn’t call a blatant OPI in Wisconsin at the end that broke up an easy INT and would have ended the game. OSU is a better team than Wisconsin. Both are good teams. Neither is great.

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Cali Wolverine

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^

...but they played better...refs had nothing to do with it. They have 2 wins over two top 4 teams and won the BIG...sorry Alabama. That said...I just hope they play Oklahoma or Clemson...again...in playoffs...and get crushed.

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NYCBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:14 AM ^

Until another BIG team comes up with talent that is heads and shoulders above OSU this will just keep happening.  OSU is the darling of the BIG and OSU has its own fans reffing a bunch of BIG games.  The only option is to take it completely out of the refs hands by doing what Clemson did to them.

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Duke of Zhou

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:14 AM ^

I kept waiting for the full replay where Wisconsin was called for that offensive hold and OSU possibly (definitely?) committed a hold of its own.  Fox truncated the replay before the pass was thrown, and refused to show the portion in question.  The OSU defender was injured, the Buckeye fans are screaming BS, and yet the broadcast won't show the replay.  They show every other thing going on, for the next 90 seconds, but no replay of what ultimately proved to be the most important play of the game.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that was yet another huge blown call that changed the whole game in favor of OSU. Seriously, Fuck the Big Ten, fuck Fox, and, of course, fuck Ohio State.

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MGolem

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^

As much as anyone but if OSU gets in it is complete bullshit. OSU's resume this year is exactly the same as PSU's last year, complete with an absolute beatdown loss. How can the committee take OSU last year, over PSU, who they lost to BTW, and leave out Alabama this year?

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NYCBlue

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:22 AM ^

I can't wait to hear what bullshit the committee pulls out of its ass to let OSU in.  Last year they put OSU in despite PSU having both the conference championship and the head to head victory.  That was way more egregious than this year would be if Bama gets in.  And yet ... we all know what will happen.  I have a feeling there will be a lot of behind-the-scenes calls and somehow magically OSU will leap over Bama and get in.

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Toby Flenderson

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:22 AM ^

It is not the same. For OSU's out of conference loss Oklahoma is a playoff team, PSU lost to a mediocre Pitt team. I would say that the Iowa loss is as bad (if not worse) than PSU's loss to Michigan.

However, Alabama has shown nothing this year, other than their name, that makes them worthy of getting into the playoff. In contrast, in 2016 OSU beat #3 Michigan and Oklahoma on the road. The situations are not similar, OSU gets in.

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MGolem

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:41 AM ^

Killed Florida State's season in game 1. FSU at full strength was a top 4 team. Alabama beat them into submission. People keep forgetting that part. OSU got skull fucked by Iowa. How can anyone watch that game and say they are a top 4 team? And does anyone here think Alabama wouldn't have beaten us, MSU, PSU, and Wisconsin? Where are OSU's great wins? USC is more deserving than OSU. Alabama's one loss was on the road against their top 10 rival, with half their defense missing. Another point to consider is that Clemson embarassed OSU last year and had two all-time epic games against Alabama the past two seasons. Who wants to watch OSU get demolished by Clemson yet again just so the Big Ten doesn't get left out? Alabama is a better team. Simple as that.

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stephenrjking

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:53 AM ^

Ugh. I think Alabama is clearly superior, but these are poor arguments.

1. FSU lost its QB and didn't just suffer an extra loss or two; they had to reschedule a body bag game this week just to become bowl eligible. FSU turned out to be bad and Bama shouldn't get credit for beating them.

2. OSU just netted a great win against Wisconsin, which will remain a top ten team, and their win over PSU continues to be very impressive.

3. Last year should be and is totally and completely irrelevant. So what if OSU got housed last year? Things change and it is impossible and improper to make comparisons from year to year like that. How much relevance did our blowout of PSU have when we went to Happy Valley this season?

I think Bama should get in, but not because of these arguments. Honestly, it's the debacle in Iowa City that makes the difference. There is no other argument that holds water.

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:59 AM ^

"1. FSU lost its QB and didn't just suffer an extra loss or two; they had to reschedule a body bag game this week just to become bowl eligible. FSU turned out to be bad and Bama shouldn't get credit for beating them." What? You clearing don't value a starting QB as much as most people do. "There is no other argument that holds water." Alabama didn't win their conference.

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stephenrjking

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:40 AM ^

I value a starting QB quite a bit; Michigan went through three QBs and still won 8 games. OSU doesn't get credit for beating us with our third-best QB, either, BTW.

Regarding your last line: I'm not sure what you mean. I am countering what I consider to be poor arguments in favor of Alabama. Their lack of a conference title is an argument against them. I don't want to counter it. Since I would rather Bama in the playoff than OSU, I would rather ignore it entirely.

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:14 AM ^

"I value a starting QB quite a bit; Michigan went through three QBs and still won 8 games." Your posts are usual insightful, so we must be misunderstanding each other. So preseason rankings (yes, I know it is just a crap shoot) do not account for injuries that might happen in the future. So the backup QB is probably not taken into consideration, meaning the difference between every teams starting QB and backup QB is not considered. So just because we won more games with our backups than FSU won with their backups does not mean we are a better team when both teams are at full strength. "OSU doesn't get credit for beating us with our third-best QB, either, BTW." Unless you meant lose credit, then I don't understand your point. "I don't want to counter it. Since I would rather Bama in the playoff than OSU" I don't want either, but I prefer they get it right by deciding on a clear definition of what the top 4 teams should be to reduce these issues in the future.

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MGolem

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:26 AM ^

And I respect your view point but it wasn't that FSU lost a key player and kept on plugging away. They lost the heart and soul of their team. When Peters was knocked out of the Wisconsin game the whole team deflated and he was effectively our third stringer. Deondre Francois was a legitimate heisman contender and the same QB who beat our very good team last year. FSU had national championship aspirations this year. They lost their QB/leader in the first game to a serious season ending injury and replaced him with a true freshman string bean. Alabama did that to them. A full strength FSU team is probably better than anyone in the Big Ten and Alabama worked them.

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stephenrjking

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:46 AM ^

Your kind words are better than I deserve.

Alas, there's no evidence that Francois is a Heisman contender, and if all it takes is him getting hurt to completely destroy a team's season, the team isn't very sturdy. Good teams win with backups. Georgia is going to the playoff with one. Good teams can even win with awful backups, as we proved this year. 

Nobody blames FSU for having a subpar season due to an injury, but they were a .500 team all year and Bama deserves no special credit for beating them. None whatsoever.

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MGolem

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:04 AM ^

Heisman watch list. He had a very good season last year and it is possible, based on returning pieces, that FSU was a better team going into the season than last year. That team fell apart after that game. Much of that is coaching, and as you can see from Fisher's departure, there was more going on than just losing their star player. However, FSU was set up to have a great year if they stayed healthy. And I mentioned this in an earlier post: Georgia is the only team in the top 25 playing a backup QB. They are the exception, not the rule.

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:28 AM ^

"Good teams with good backups win with backups" Fixed it for you. "Good teams can even win with awful backups, as we proved this year" Too many variables here. FSU is more dependent on their QB than we are. JoK was a Senior with plenty of experience. Was the FSU QB even a redshirt Freshman? I think our defense was better (I don't follow FSU), And we only won 2 more games than them, so they found a way to win... "Bama deserves no special credit for beating them" My intent is not to give Alabama more credit for beating FSU, but I will give them credit for at least scheduling one very good out of conference opponent... Not that it is worth anything.

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Oscar

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:54 AM ^

"And does anyone here think Alabama wouldn't have beaten us, MSU, PSU, and Wisconsin?" Upsets happen. If all that matters is which four teams are the best on paper, why have a conference playoff? "Who wants to watch OSU get demolished by Clemson yet again just so the Big Ten doesn't get left out?" That was last year. Oklahoma didn't seem to be affected by being blown out by OSU last year in their rematch this year. "Alabama is a better team. Simple as that." No, it really isn't that simple.

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