A call for calm

Submitted by michgoblue on

I have seen a ton of panic and negativity on this board since Saturday, but I think that if everyone can take a step back, there is a larger picture that explans so much of our struggles this season, and which and might provide a ray of hope.  

It is fairly common after a coaching change for a coach to take a step back in year 3 because the exiting coach almost always recruited poorly during his last year or so (by virtue of being on the hot seat).  As a result, while a new coach often comes into a situation in which he has talented upper classmen on the roster, by year 3, most of those players are gone and there is a gaping hole where the senior and junior talen should be.  

That is precisely what we are going through right now.  For Harbaugh's first two seasons, he was able to somewhat benefit from the upperclassmen that were on the roster from Hoke's first few successful recruiting classes.  Those guys are gone, and in their place, our upperclassmen are made up of Hoke's much weaker last two classes.  Those classes were followed by the disaster of a transition class that resulted from Michigan hiring Harbaugh almost on the eve of National Signing Day.  

Harbaugh is not the first coach to experience initial success, followed by a tough 3rd year.  The same thing happened to Hoke based upon RR's last few classes.  While that may not be comforting, perhaps the following few examples will make everyone feel better:

Dabo Swinney - went 6-7 in his 3rd year, following a 9-5 2nd year.  From year 4 forward, he hasn't won less than 10 games.

Urban Meyer (Florida edition) - following a 13 win national championship season in 2006, the program took a step back in 2007 and only won 9 games.  That 3rd season was an outlier as it was followed by consecutive 13-win seasons in years 4 and 5.

Nick Saban (LSU edition) - followed a 10-win second season with an 8-5 3rd season, only to win 13 games (and a national championship) in year 4.

Nick Saban (Bama edition) - Hist first two full seaons were 12 and 14 wins (with a National Championship in year 2).  In year 3, he took a relative step back to 10 wins, only to follow that with 12 and 13 win season (and 2 more national championships).

Mark Dantonio - after taking MSU to a 9 win second season (which, historically, is a great season for them), Mork went 6-7 in year 3, only to rebound to an 11-2 conference title season in year 4.

A few observations:

1.  Each of those guys is a massive douchebag.  Not necessarily relevant, but it jumps off the page.

2.  Harbaugh may not recover as quickkly in year 4 as these guys because his transition class was really small and weak (not on him), and moreover, his first few classes really whiffed on OL).  

3.  Look at some of the young players on our roster.  Aside from OL, which we need to fix ASAP (and which should resolve itself as our young line matures over the next 2 years), we are STOCKED with young talent.  Unfortunately, this season, that talent is playing against older, stronger, more experienced players who are more fundamentally sound just from being older, stronger and more experienced.  As these guys get older, stronger and more experienced, I think that the sky is the limit for our team.

tl;dr version - everyone chill out; we are really young; coaches struggle in year 3, even great coaches.  history is a guide, will be rebound nicely over the next year or so.

carlos spicywiener

October 10th, 2017 at 5:53 PM ^

I get that the negative nancies and chicken littles are annoying as hell, but so are the condescending posters like the OP lecturing us on how to feel. The issues we're seeing, like bad playcalling and OL repeatedly busting / unable to block walk-ons, can't be explained away by youth.

If you're a parent of a QB and you want him to suffer a season ending injury, send him to Michigan.

It's the same as Borges, if the coaches insist on overload teenage starters with complicated schemes then they are making the problem worse. Full stop.

tl;dr: no thanks.

Esterhaus

October 10th, 2017 at 5:51 PM ^

However I note the team that just won over us played with walk-ons, freshmen and sophomores. And it was defeated soundly by Notre Dame, itself a team with problems. We all know what we witnessed on Saturday - inability to run by backs not named Higdon, inability to hold onto the ball (five turnovers), inability to catch easy passes, inability to seal blocks, inability to place the ball where it could be caught, and inability to make good decisions. We also were penalized quite a bit. Don Brown's defense and decent punting and kicking are the only reason our loss was not by a greater margin. Our offense does not sustain drives into the endzone. Head coach, offensive coordinator, running backs and receivers coaches need to achieve better results today. I am not going to apologize for being critical. It's a nice pep talk though.

Bodogblog

October 10th, 2017 at 7:07 PM ^

Good example.  They were crushed Notre Dame because they turned the ball over horrendously.  If MSU had handed us the ball an equal number of times, we would have won comfortably. 

Now to all those who say "coaching caused the turnovers!" , how do you explain Sparty's performance at home just a few weeks ago?  Michigan shot itself in the foot over and over again for 60 minutes.  This is why they lost. 

Bodogblog

October 10th, 2017 at 8:40 PM ^

I don't know what 2 weeks to prepare has to do with turnover palooza. One throw was weather, blame play calling if you like. Another a backup QB derp. Others were random. We also had a TD called back, and drops all over the field, and penalties that sustained their drives. We lost by 4. Michigan would beat Alabama given they played the way we did.

smitty1983

October 10th, 2017 at 5:53 PM ^

Harabugh hasn’t won a big game in his time here. That’s unacceptable. Psu was not a good win last year, they had a on of injuries. He had a nfl roster last year and couldn’t win the big ten. I understand the panic. I’m not saying he should be fired but it’s time to start questioning the development of players. Why can’t peters overtake okorn? He benched a senior at Stanford for rs freshman luck that year. With all that being said I think the secondary has played extremely well considering they were the weak link going into the season.

BursleyBaitsBus

October 10th, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^

Do we count Florida? b/c they're just SEC Michigan at this point given their offensive woes. 

 

Outside of em.... 

Iowa @ night L 

Wisconsin W 

FSU Orange Bowl @ night L 

OSU 2015 L 

OSU 2016 L 

MSU 2015 L 

MSU 2017 @ night L 

I guess PSU last year was a W? 

And no I do not consider Minnesota or Rutgers at night big games. 

 

BigBlue02

October 10th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^

Why do you only guess PSU last year was a big win? They were B10 champs and went to the Rose Bowl. Just because we know they got lucky as hell to do that doesn’t mean that isn’t a huge win for us

Jahjah7170

October 12th, 2017 at 7:24 PM ^

Going into the game, no one thoiught that it was a big game. You cant look back at a game 3 months later and say "yeah that was a big game" we arent talking about good wins. no one will disagree that psu was a good win. We are talking about big games which psu wasnt at the time

BoCanHam15

October 10th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^

Is considered a big win? Was our win against State a big win last year? Exactly what did you expect last year with all of that NFL talent? I got news for ya lil Jimmy. That talent was developed at Michigan. You just keep your lil soap box and ride it. Because we have the best coach available and he has players that are here that have lots of talent but it does take time. If you're not happy just find another team. Write our AD and tell him how you feel and then I'm sure he'll let Jim go. Because after all Hoke had the same exact record and you'd like to have him back. Hilarious

BoCanHam15

October 10th, 2017 at 6:19 PM ^

I a lot? Man people have created this post 20 times since Saturday. Harbaugh knows nothing, ok we get it. Just keep posting so that we can go out and get DJ DURKIN. Yeah our coach knows nothing and he tried to lose the game. Also he hired the refs from last year inside mother gooses shoe! The powers that be hate our coach. The fans have all the answers at RT and QB and if he would just listen to all the posters at mgoblog we'd be UNDEFEATED. Got it! Just remain critical that in turn will allow coach to get his act together. If I get a chance I'll see if I can get in touch with one of the players to relay that message for you.

markusr2007

October 10th, 2017 at 6:17 PM ^

You do remember that Michigan was 4 pts and probably a few inches from being 11-1 or 12-0 last year, right?

Michigan lost to MSU last week because of 5 turnovers - something that has never happened under a Harbaugh team before and is unlikely to repeat again this season.

As for Peters getting a start at qb, you will probably get your wish granted, but don't be pissing and moaning if a RS Fr. QB reminds you quickly why coaches don't typically start RS freshmen at QB unless they absolutely have to.

O'Korn is going to start against Indiana on Saturday FWIW.

 

 

smitty1983

October 10th, 2017 at 6:26 PM ^

We decided it was awesome to throw the ball in a rain storm. As for last year who cares how close they were. They didn’t get it done, period. It’s clear on this site you can’t question anything harabugh

old98blue

October 10th, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^

It's not that you can't question going 5 wide in the rain or the play calling that's what fans do, but I think we are heading in the right direction we need to fix the O-line and the QB issues and to be fair 2 turn overs really were on the passing game just guys not securing the ball

You Only Live Twice

October 10th, 2017 at 8:49 PM ^

just because a few other people have latched on but it's not a great point you're making.  We had to throw the ball because running wasn't going to get us first downs.  Rain is not a death knell for football but after Saturday, from some of the comments here  you'd think no player on any team, anywhere, can play in the rain.  I watched O"Korn somehow, throw the ball in the rain and oddly enough, the ball traveled through the air.  Maybe it got wet, but it was somehow able to defy the laws of physics.  The interceptions would have happened wet or dry - they can work on that.  McDoom not being focused enough to hang on to the ball, had little if anything to do with rain.  Also can be addressed with experience, coaching, confidence, and so on.  The people here who do have knowledge from playing or coaching have provided hundreds of comments trying to explain - yet people like you, and MxWolverine who is most assuredly not a Wolverine supporter - ignore every bit of evidence they don't like and regurgitate the same old worn out talking points.  

We all know it's year 3.  Yes, you're allowed to ask questions.  No, there is not some weird conspiracy or dark undercurrents happening with the football team.  Harbaugh is not leaving.

After someone posted a comment... can't remember who or even the exact context, but now that every troll thinks that someone in Schembechler Hall will read their posts... it's gotten crazier here than ever.  Or maybe that coincides more with sparty week, hard to say.

old98blue

October 10th, 2017 at 6:30 PM ^

Thanks for the voice of reason, people have taken a dropped punt and turned it into Harbaughs fault and I'm not blaming Blake either he was a hell of a punter for us, they turned some sketchy things at the Shoe into Harbaughs fault or the injury to Speight last year. Things happen in football games that aren't the coaches fault these are still kids and sometimes they make mistakes.

Harbaughs is 10-3,  10-3 and 4-1 so far he took over a mess

Dantonios was 7-6, 9-4, 6-7

Crootin

October 10th, 2017 at 8:17 PM ^

Why wasn't that punt in max protect?  Coaching blunder.  We had gunners outside lined up against no one.  Also could have called timeout and fixed it when we saw sparty was going all out block. 

 

Additional, a theory is that it was a fake punt - pass to rub in in sparty's face.  It kind of looks like it after watching the replay.

TdK71

October 10th, 2017 at 10:54 PM ^

But I would have taken the delay of game, and then fixed the formation. My conjecture is that's why Baxter 'went' back to USC at the end of the season. 

That being said, our RB's fail consistently to pick up the blitzer on pass plays. That is directly on the RB coach, we'll see if it gets addressed in the upcoming weeks. 

And, finally, let's simplify the playbook a bit to get the offense some confidence. stop trying to outsmart the other team and let's get back to what Harbaugh is known for out physicaling the oppositiion. 

Ghost of Fritz…

October 10th, 2017 at 6:20 PM ^

but important detail...

The fact that JH benched senior Pritchard for RS freshman Luck shows that he will play the guy that is most likley to get wins, regardless of class/experience level.

The fact that Peters is behind O'Korn tells us that Peters is not the guy that is most likely to help the team win (at least not yet).

This does not mean that JH suddenly forgot how to develop QBs.  It means that Peters is not yet ready becasue he came in talented but raw and/or is just a guy that does not master everything as quickly as Andrew Luck did. 

 

 

Harlick

October 10th, 2017 at 8:51 PM ^

You are right Harbaugh should be fired, there are so many better coaches in college football and they all are lining up to coach here. The last two years were an embarrassment. I miss the previous ten years under Hoke and Rich rod, /s. Seriously what do people think, is a better coach coming here of we fire one off our legends

Harlick

October 10th, 2017 at 8:51 PM ^

You are right Harbaugh should be fired, there are so many better coaches in college football and they all are lining up to coach here. The last two years were an embarrassment. I miss the previous ten years under Hoke and Rich rod, /s. Seriously what do people think, is a better coach coming here of we fire one off our legends

Harlick

October 10th, 2017 at 8:51 PM ^

You are right Harbaugh should be fired, there are so many better coaches in college football and they all are lining up to coach here. The last two years were an embarrassment. I miss the previous ten years under Hoke and Rich rod, /s. Seriously what do people think, is a better coach coming here of we fire one off our legends

jsquigg

October 10th, 2017 at 5:54 PM ^

Yes, there are many factors.  Harbaugh isn't going anywhere.  They will be in every game this year, but this will end up disappointing without improvements on offense.  We are not going back to the woeful Hoke years, but frustration at not winning the Big 10 may persist longer than we wanted.  I hope they exceed whatever modified expectations we have just to shut up the trolls and bottom feeders, but I'm not holding my breath.