Can a one-loss, non-Big Ten champion Michigan make the CFP?

Submitted by M-Dog on
 
First let me start off by saying that if we win out, it does not matter what anybody else does.  We will have beaten likely Top 5 Ohio State and likely Top 10 Wisconsin.  We will be no worse than #2.
 
Even if we have one loss but still win the Big Ten, we are also in.  For the same reason Ohio State will be in if they win out. 
 
But can a one-loss, non-Big Ten champion Michigan make the CFP?
 
That road has actually gotten easier and more clearer, but certain specific things need to happen:
 
1) The fourth slot needs to open up by having two two-loss P5 conference champions out of the five conferences.  Despite the committee's window dressing in early November, a one loss P5 conference champion is getting in over any one-loss non-conference champion not named Alabama.  Root for Oklahoma over WVU in the Big 12, and Wash State or the Pac12 South winner over Washington.
 
2) Our one loss needs to be a close loss against Ohio State, and Ohio State needs to go on and win the Big Ten.  Imagine our cognitive dissonance in having to root hard for Ohio State to win the Big Ten the week after losing to them in Columbus.  But that's the world we live in.
 
3) Alabama needs to win out.  A one-loss Alabama that is not the SEC champion is going to steal a spot.  Because SEC bias is a real thing.  It was hard, but I was rooting for Alabama over LSU for this reason.
 
If those three things happen, we have a very good shot as a one-loss non-Big Ten champion.
 
Here is our competition in that scenario.  The list is very short, but very real.
 
- A one loss Louisville.  They scare me the most.  The influential media loves Louisville much more than they should, because they love Lamar Jackson.  But Hey media, that's what the Heisman vote is for.  Louisville's biggest "win" was a loss to Clemson.
 
- A one loss Clemson that does not win the ACC.  I think an ACC loss at this point kills them because it will be to a marginal ACC team, but they are still a threat.
 
- And that's pretty much it.  A one-loss Washington that does not win the Pac 12 is out versus us.  Just compare our games against common-opponent Rutgers and quickly move on.  A one-loss WVU that somehow does not win the Big 12 is out.  A one-loss Boise State is out.  
 
If the scenario above happens, it comes down to a beauty contest between us and Louisville.  In a rational world it should be no contest, but you never know.
 

DavidP814

November 6th, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^

Very easily, and in fact I think it's likely if Wisconsin, Penn State and Colorado all win out. Under that scenario, if Michigan beats OSU but loses in the Big 10 championship game to Wisconsin, there would be only 2 undefeated conference champs--Clemson and Alabama.  The other 3 champs would have at least 2 losses (Wisconsin, Colorado, and whoever from the Big12).  In this scenario, Michigan would have 4 wins over teams in or close to the Top 10 in the CFP rankings, including head-to-heads over 2 conference champs.  They're in under that scenario, ahead of any other teams except Clemson and Alabama.

Communist Football

November 6th, 2016 at 7:16 PM ^

Good discussion comrades. Question: Let's say we beat OSU and get Wisconsin in a rematch. Any reason to believe a rematch would be tougher than the first go-round? How are they doing re injuries, organic improvement, adjustment to our schemes?



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titanfan11

November 6th, 2016 at 7:32 PM ^

is realistically down to 8 teams with a chance, unless there is some complete mayhem.  

SEC - Bama and Auburn...I think if Auburn wins out, the committee would put them and Bama in the playoff.  Auburn lost by 6 to Clemson and to Texas AM.  As much as the committee loves Bama, I don't think they miss the  playoff unless they lose 2 games.  

ACC - Clemson and Louisville...it looks like Clemson will play an at least 2 loss North Carolina or V Tech in the title game.  If Clemson were to slip up in that game, given how sloppy they looked at times, Louisville could slide up.  

BIG...Michigan and Ohio State...I guess I don't see Wisconsin making it if they pull an upset in the title game.  They beat LSU who seems like a 4 or 5 loss team, the Michigan State win means nothing, played M and OSU tough, and squeaked by a Nebraska team that just lost by 59.  

PAC...Washington...and they have to go undefeated to make it

BIG 12...Oklahoma...and this is a big stretch

drzoidburg

November 6th, 2016 at 7:42 PM ^

I don't agree with your 1). Michigan should get in with one loss over a one loss Washington or West Virginia conference champ, especially if it beats Ohio (and then loses the CCG). Michigan would've had the better season than either by far. If that's not rewarded then i say the committee has created a situation where half the season means nothing - only division games and CCG matter. Especially if Bama loses to Auburn and doesn't get in, that will really confirm that theory. That would be catastrophic to college football, and people will not forget it until the playoff is expanded again A one loss Clemson or Louisville, whether they win their conference or not, would be valid competition. Yeah, Clemson got damn lucky against NC St. But they also won at Auburn and the ACC is not bad overall I do believe at a minimum we need Washington or Clemson to lose

M-Dog

November 7th, 2016 at 9:45 AM ^

It is interesting . . . we have yet to see how much the committee really values a conference championship.  All the conference champions that they picked so far have been Top 4 material.

Will be interesting to see what they do with a 2-3 loss conference champion when that happens.  Does a conference championship make up for an extra loss?

If a conference champion and a non-conference champion have the same number of losses, I think the conference champion is always going to get picked.

 

GoBlueBill

November 6th, 2016 at 7:39 PM ^

I think Michigan is a top Four team. Regardless of if they win or lose to OSU .

Unfortunatly what will work against them is the lateness of a loss to OSU .  Most people would move a team like Louisville ahead of Michigan , if both only had one loss. Due to the fact that the loss was so long ago and Louisville has had time to climb back up the polls .

I am sure that people only want one team from a conference in the playoff.

If OSU wins the Big Ten Championship. Few people would want Michigan and OSU to play for the National Championship .

 

M-Dog

November 7th, 2016 at 9:50 AM ^

I think they would get in over us.  Or neither of us gets in.

They would be the Big Ten champion and will have just proven something by beating us on a neutral field in the most recent game played.  

I can't see the committee picking us over them if the Big Ten only gets one slot just because we have one less loss.

 

ThatTCGuy

November 6th, 2016 at 8:03 PM ^

I think we have a pretty good shot at sneaking in at #4 if Washington loses to USC or Washington State and we look good in a loss to Ohio State. The committee has already shown that they're not fond of Washington's schedule, and a loss might push them out of the picture. 

Lan Jiao

November 6th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^

If M loses a dandy in Columbus, there are no other shakeups and all else is chalk...

 

1. Alabama

2. Clemson

3. Ohio State

4. Washington

5. Michigan

6. Louisville (For those who suggested a media bias toward Lamar Jackson. LOLZ. The media would kill for M and Harbaugh to be in the CFP and I think the CFPC showed their lack of love for Louisville in their first rankings)

7. Oklahoma (Would jump up based on Auburn's loss to Alabama and Wiscy's loss to OSU in the B1G).

8. WMU (Okay, maybe not, but let an alumnus dream...)

 

M needs a Clemson OR Washington loss. OSU losing to Wiscy in the B1G might hurt us

BlueInWisconsin

November 6th, 2016 at 8:21 PM ^

They shouldn't. Winning your conference should be mandatory for making the final four. It make the conference championship games an extension of the playoff and means that every game counts.



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BlueInWisconsin

November 6th, 2016 at 10:51 PM ^

Then when a 15 seed beats a 2 seed in the first round of the basketball tourney why don't we send the 15 seed home? After all the 2 seed is better no matter who won the game right?

My point is that if only conference chaps are considered then those early season games that wind up who wins the east of some big conference really count. Every game all season long is part of the playoff. If you want to make the final four then win your conference. Otherwise stop complaining.



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Cosmic Blue

November 6th, 2016 at 8:34 PM ^

all you people saying 'doesnt matter just win out' need to shut up. that is obviously the goal. this is a thought experiment to explore the possibilty of still getting into the cfp with a loss. not trying to get political, but the inability to make a plan B because you are just oh so confident in plan A is not a postive trait

 

this beef behind me, in this scenario i am assuming our one loss is to osu, not wisc in the b1g championship. if we lose to wisc i dont know what the committee would do. they may just punt on both b1g teams. 

i'm unsure we get in ahead of a 1-loss clemson (even though i think we should). i would count them and alabama in, even with a loss. It's no point rooting for either of them to lose because it just opens the door for another team to steal a spot. That (along with osu) leaves one spot up for grabs.

i would say our major obstacles are washington and louisville. if washington loses, i think we get in ahead of them. if their loss comes before their conf championship game it's close, and even better if their loss comes in the conf championship (to colorado!). we may be in ahead of louisville already, but it's so close it's really hard to say. another loss for them would be nice in order to seal it.

 

Blue Durham

November 7th, 2016 at 10:23 AM ^

In the past, when teams like Ohio State and Michigan finished tied for 1st with records of 7-1 each, they would officially be listed as co-champions. The head-to-head determined who went to the Rose Bowl. But the other team was co-champion none the less. I think one time in the 1980's 3 teams tied with 2 losses. All three were considered co-champions, but obviously 1 team went to the Rose Bowl due to tie-breakers. Same with divisions. Michigan losing only to OSU would result in OSU going to the conference championship game due to the tie breaker, but Michigan would probably considered be division co-winner.

AA Forever

November 6th, 2016 at 9:01 PM ^

A team that can't even win their division, let alone their conference, isn't going to make the playoff.  Maybe if OSU was undefeated and ranked #1, and our one loss was to them on the road by one point, and if they crushed the West Division champ in the BT championship, we might have a prayer, but that's not going to be the scenario.

Beat OSU, or nothing else matters.

uminks

November 6th, 2016 at 9:44 PM ^

I think USC will beat Washington next week. I worry that the media hype over Louisville would place them in the final spot.  May be Clemson will lose?  A lot would have to have to happen. The most sure way to get in to the payoffs is go down to Columbus and beat the shit out of OSU!  If Michigan can't then Harbaugh and team have only themselves to blame but I would say it would still be a successful 2nd year for Harbaugh and by his 4th season he will win a national championship!

Lan Jiao

November 6th, 2016 at 10:22 PM ^

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-college-football-predictions/

 

This would be more fun if you could choose more than just how the next game goes for each team, but if you click "Win Out" for Ohio State, this projection shows M at a 16% chance to make the playoff.

 


Surely there is more than a 16% chance that either Washington or Clemson lose, so the 538 model is indicating that there's a good/decent chance that either Louisville or a B12 Champion Oklahoma can jump a 1-loss M.

Michigan4Life

November 7th, 2016 at 7:41 AM ^

In other words, no.

A lot has to fall in Michigan's way in order for it to happen and they must root for OSU to win B1G. If Michigan gets blown out by OSU, kiss the CFB good bye



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