OT: Paterno knew of Sandusky abuse in 1976
The PSU cultists will still defend him.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.It came in the form of a line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its ramifications can't immediately be gauged.But that line was eye-popping in itself.The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
If true, how in the hell could that monster setup a charity for at risk boys. The Second Mile?
I'm going to venture if true, The Second Mile was not much more than an escort service for sick fucks. That claim had to cross several desks. Someone outside of PSU staff and administration had to remember.
Edit: I will have to dig around but I don't think Paterno really became "powerful" until the 80's.
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Kick them out of the B1G!
There's a conduct bylaw.
Do it Delany -- have a spine for once in your miserable career.
What does that solve?
All the people involved with the crimes are dead, locked away, or at the very least out of PSU. I don't think it's necessary to "send a message," because literally every person on the planet recognizes that molesting kids is wrong.
And yes, it's incredibly twisted that some PSU fans still defend JoePa (although who knows if they will after this story), but I'd bet you that there would be some percentage of fans defending their legendary coach if this had happened at any other major FBS school. Some people get delusional when their fandom is threatened.
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Can the Federal Government revoke PSU's ability to collect student aid (pell grants) and make them ineligible for student loans? I have always believed this was outside the scope of the NCAA but wanted the school hammered.
It's not outside the scope of the NCAA (or B1G). Both organizations have code of conduct bylaws.
They just have to use them.You're 100% wrong. The NCAA cannot control funding.
However, PSU can lose their accreditation if there is more criminal activity by the faculty(state employees). Then they would lose funding.
They were put on probation once this nasty thing started. It has been lifted, but one more black eye could force them to review the school again.
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I'm not talking about funding.
I'm talking about membership.
I did happy hour after work. I'm a stand-up guy. Admittedly, I am a guy who doesn't hang out on football message boards 24/7. My fault for posting at 10:15 PM instead of at 7:15 PM when this story broke. :-)
The allegiation is likely true. Guys don't become pedophiles at age 50, and it's more unlikely than not that 2001 was the first time Paterno heard anything.
The whole story is sad, is sickening in numerous aspects, and sucks. But it also is what it is. I (like 99.9% of PSU folk) knew nothing prior to 2011, I'm not a "cultist" who deffends Joe, and I certainly can't change the past.
All I can do is work for and hope for a better future.
(sort of )with NittanyFan
Your response --- to NOT answer me directly, but instead take a tangential cheap shot at me.
I said what I said. This 1976 allegation is "likely" true. It is fair to say "likely."
What more do you exactly want me to say?
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He said it well: It happened, he did not know about it, he does not defend it, and there is nothing he can do about it.
He's not running around saying Paterno is innocent and should be restored as the icon of Penn State.
What more do you want from him? This is not even a Penn State blog.
I know people want to dump everything they've got on the one Penn State guy that posts here, but that's not fair if he's not being a homer dick about the situation.
I don't see the need to call NittanyFan out. He's always seemed pretty level-headed. It's not his fault as a fan that this awful scandal happened.
So --- you're basically saying something about me, but not providing proof because it conventiently doesn't exist.
Nice.
Of course, the comment history DOES go back far enough for me to show where you said "Fuck You NittanyFan" in a thread I wasn't even participating in.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/worst-things-come-out-coachs-mouth?page=1
That's nice too.
yeah i would like to see a campaign or (gasp!) even a rally at the president's house and not just for being disgruntled over our own AD. It is truly embarrassing to be in the same conference and penn state will never in our lifetime escape this image anyway
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I don't want them thrown out, but I want them to demonstrate that they are completely reformed and that this could not possibly happen again.
I wish I could say that I'm totally convinced they are there. There is still way too much denial right now for my comfort level. Maybe this latest disclosure will push them over the edge and they will break clean from their blind Paterno-denial.
that's not how the real world works. Organizations have to pay for the sins of their past. I work for a large corporation whch did a heck of a lot of polluting back when people thought it was a-ok to just bury hazardous waste in the ground. Should we avoid lawsuits and environmental clean-ups because everyone who perpetuated it was dead? No, we got rich off it and now we get to pay to clean it up
Similarly, PSU got rich off Paterno's success. You think PSU plays in a 100,000 man stadium without JoePa's successes? No way. Penn State should be punished for the cover up whether people knew for sure or not. It's the way the world works
Turning your head on children is shameful and criminal. What a monster. Redact Joe's name from any and all NCAA record keeping.
But at this point I'm not sure what more punishment like bowl bans or scholarship reductions would do. Everyone that was involved has either been fired, is in jail, or is dead. PSU will forever have to live with that stain on its reputation, and no matter how many years pass, nothing will ever wash it away. That is what they'll be known for from now through all of eternity.
That's punishment in and of itself.
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it's also a punishment to Michigan to remain in the same division. Now one of its annual 'premier' games is against a team everyone will always associate with child rape. We have to cut off this cancer and dissociate completely
Yep, I said it. Sandusky is a sick fuck, but many studies suggest such pedophiles can't control themselves and need to be isolated, in therapy, etc. Some would suggest castration is the only real cure here as like sociopathy, pedophilia is a twisted deviation of the human psyche.
Joe Pa, on the other hand, was in all accounts a "sane" person without such a pathology. By enabling sicko Sandusky and creating an environment where such predatory behavior was ignored and accepted allowed countless more children to become victims.
Sandusky = amoral sicko
Joe Pa = immoral piece of shit
Sandusky molested children. JoePa probably knew something, wasn't sure, and preferred to bury it rather than try to dig deeper. He's surely a POS but Sandusky is clearly a far greater POS
so this news apparently broke only because penn state tried to sue its insurer to avoid even its responsibility to compensate the child victims. Now penn state's endless selfishness may backfire on them
Since the individual who claimed to have told paterno directly about his abuse made the accusation under oath, and penn state proceeded to settle the case, i think there's a damn good chance it happened
Honest to God response I saw from a Penn State fan.
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And people on this board...
People completely ignored the fact that the ruling as on a motion of summary judgement and so it isn't going to go into a lot of detail on the facts of the deposition due to the legal argument about coverage of the insurance policy (i.e., regardless of whether the 1976 incident occured, the insurance policy required someone higher than Paterno to be notified to cause the plan NOT to cover PSU for the damages.) So it's somewhat immaterial to the court whether Paterno knew or not, the question is whether someone with sufficient status within Penn State knew of the incidents, or was notified of the incidents. And since Paterno is dead and the victim likely didn't know if Paterno notified executives of Penn State, it's tough to prove. And so Jay Paterno can spout out about "it's one line!" all he wants, anyone who knows anything about the legal system understands that there is much more behind this than "one line" in a judge's opinion on an MSJ.
The victim statements are still taken at deposition under oath to even get this far. That is important. And to be clear - the victim's invovlement in the civil suit was likely due to the insurance company bringing him in, he's not entitled to any sort of damages from an indemnification argument between PSU and its insurer. There's very little incentive for him to lie here.
Those are legal details I didn't know and it does help with your whole "gun to the head, make a call" premise.
The difference between people saying "Pump the brakes" and JayPa is that the brake pumpers are more than willing to buy this is real, but the underlying evidence seems thin and the context around it invites skepticisim. JayPa is trying to discredit the whole thing by whatever means possible. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to be dragged into that particular bit of equivalence and I don't think it's particularly fair.
For the record my comment about people in this thread was a referene to the one I replied to earlier (which was suggesting the insurance company may not be trustworthy) not your posts on this thread.
I have zero issue with how you're approaching this thread, or the suggestion that we pump the brakes. I disagree, but that's my own decision to make (just as yours is). Granted, I might try to convince you of why I feel my position is correct, but I'm not going to blow you up for taking a rational, skeptical approach, even if it doesn't agree with mine. We'll disagree on this, and that's fine.
If you read any of my posts as suggesting you were even close to equivalent with JayPa that was certainly not my intent. I've enjoyed the discussion.
Insert here something about turning a one-day story into a two-day story.
Should get castration and then open season in an open prison population. Lets see if he enjoys showers with Bubba as much as he did with little Timmy.
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Rape isn't actually a great solution to the problem of rape.
But in this case it's rather cathartic.
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Our justice system sucks!
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