New Hoke comments, Q&A (Monday AM) on mgoblue.com
The regularly scheduled weekly interview with Hoke on the Mich football website was just released a few minutes ago and has new comments on the incident. Among other things, he comments that the medical staff said "Yeah, he can go" and that he was medically cleared to go on that play. Relevant section is below:
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Q. What is your quarterback situation moving forward, with Saturday starter Shane Morris and Devin Gardner, who started the first four games?
A. Well, number one, we would never put a quarterback who was hurt (in there). That would never happen. As far as where we're at with it, we usually don't talk about injuries and stay away from them. But this has kind of become an issue to some degree, and Shane Morris has got a leg injury, and that's why we pulled him from the game. We'll see where he's at.
On the down where Devin's helmet came off, there was a discussion about the timeout with the referee that I wanted to take to buy him back into the game. When I talked to the referee -- because he kind of came to the sideline -- and he said, 'No.' So, a couple seconds later the line judge comes up and says, 'Now, you can buy a timeout.' But by that time, Shane was already back in the football game.
(Shane) was on the bench and (senior football athletic trainer) Paul Schmidt was looking at his leg, and (reserve quarterback) Russell (Bellomy) was there. Russell is signaling in, him and the other quarterbacks. And when Shane heard his name, the medical staff said, 'Yeah, he can go.' And he went out on the field. We'd never put a kid out there who wasn't capable. He was medically cleared to go in on that play.
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092914aaa.html
September 29th, 2014 at 7:53 AM ^
so can we just fire him b/c it's year 4 and his product is crap?
September 29th, 2014 at 8:00 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 7:54 AM ^
Unreal.
September 29th, 2014 at 7:59 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 8:05 AM ^
It's not that hard to figure out...if you try, which you don't seem willing to do.
September 29th, 2014 at 8:14 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 8:25 AM ^
That's an interesting take, considering it came from somebody who was insulting Brady Hoke's language skills...
So let me get this straight:
1. Brady Hoke uses football language you can't understand.
2. You insult him.
3. I explain it for you in a somewhat demeaning way.
4. You call me an "asshat" for being rude.
Can you find where the negativity started?
September 29th, 2014 at 9:53 AM ^
if it helps the situation, I love the girlie pictures...
September 29th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^
need to look for a new avatar. hmm?
September 29th, 2014 at 8:02 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 8:05 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 8:37 AM ^
we will probably never know whether he had a concussion.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:02 AM ^
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September 29th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
I guess I don't see why it matters whether or not he ended up truly having a concussion. I would think the issue would be more that in a situation where there is any doubt (i.e. during the game), you err on the side of caution.
September 29th, 2014 at 8:06 AM ^
I think this is a great point and we really dont know the answer yet from what Ive read. Hopefully there will be more disclosure at the 12:30 presser.
There are 2 possibilities:
1) They are specifically not mentioning the head injury to try to sweep it under the rug and hope people focus only on the leg. If this is the case, this is awful and ridiculous and is attempting to cover it up
OR
2) There never was a head injury. Perhaps Shane was almost falling over because he buckled due to the pain in his leg. And the reason they fail to mention it was that there was never any focus on a head injury.
September 29th, 2014 at 8:29 AM ^
If you have a leg injury, it would be easy to buckle when you first put some weight on it. That is why he needed help getting his balance and to adjust the way he was walking.
It seems like everyone here wants to Shane to have a concussion for the sake of firing Hoke, but it could just as easily be his leg only. I absolutely want Hoke to be fired but I don't want him to be fired for being a piece of crap if he is not one. Hoke is terrible coach but I want to give hime the benefit of the doubt and say that he is not a terrible person. I hope this situation resolves itself positively for Hoke. And then he is fired for his crappy coaching record.
September 29th, 2014 at 8:32 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
but having watched the play a few times in slow motion and watching SM following benig removed from the game I'm inclined to think there wasn't a concussion. Now that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been taken out of the game and assessed for one, because he should have. What I saw was what looked like SM buckling under the pain in his leg, falling over and grabbing on his OL to take weight off his leg.
I think there after a hit like that he should have been removed and asessed for a concussion, but I do think the finding would be that he didn't have one. He was clearly injured, but I don't think it was his head.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^
Are you kidding with that "pain in his leg" bit? We are seeing totally different things. He looks like someone who is about to lose consciousness. Then afterwards, he makes these wild hand motions like someone whose losing control of their limbs.
Again, I don't know if he had a concussion, but there was something going on beyond a bum ankle. At the very least a timeout should have been taken.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:04 AM ^
You also see him take and release a deep breath, like someone who got the wind knocked out of him. Isn't that also a possible explanation?
September 29th, 2014 at 9:11 AM ^
There are a lot of possible explanations. Ankle. Concussion. Wind knocked out of him. Being a little verklempt. Et cetera. The main point is that if concussion is one of the possible explanations, it should be treated with all seriousness--like, at a minimum, checking the player out before he's sent out to drop back to pass again.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:17 AM ^
Is whether they even did any concussion testing, and if they followed their concussion protocol.
Shane Morris exhibited CLEAR warning signs of a concussion. If he wasn't checked out before he went back in, SOMEONE effed up.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:21 AM ^
due to a hit to the head? That's gold Magnus!
September 29th, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^
You must have missed the part where the helmet slammed mostly into his chest.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^
Someone ban this guy. Seriously. This is outrageous.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 10:43 AM ^
Dude he's not right. And I'm not surprised that you agree with him, but Jesus this is beyond dumb at this point. Its a direct shot to the chin with the top of the helment. I know you love Hoke, but its time to get over it.
Watch his neck snap back and get back to me. This is truly mind-boggling that there are people out there trying to argue the bit of insanity you just laid down
Get out of here with some credibility.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
Okay, at least your argument has some basis in reality in that he does probably get part of the shoulder afterwards, but if you watch the clip on youtube and slow it down you can get a pretty good still of Morris' chin being the direct recipient of the a slightly off-center helmet blow. Cochran's helmet is fully under his chin and in the next instant you see Morris' chin snap back. Its still a pretty clear, full forced shot to the chin.
Magnus is trying to say he got hit in the chest, which isn't even remotely true.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 11:44 AM ^
So on every single play a player takes a free headshot to the underside of the facemask/chin/neck area with the crown of the helmet?
Its open and shut. I don't know why some people are the way that they are and feel that they have to disagree just for the sake of it, but they are out there and you appear to be one of them. You keep singing that very wrong song.
At the very least: Why were you coming on here and saying that Magnus was right that Morris got hit mostly in the chest, which isn't even remotely true?
September 29th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^
"The helmet, does not mostly or really in anyway hit Morris in the chest which is what we were talking about."
...except it does. So there's that.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^
Did you not see where I said that the helmet slammed "mostly into his chest"? I have acknowledged elsewhere in this same comment stream that it hit him in the bottom of his facemask, but most of the force ended up on Morris's shoulder/chest.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^
But the video doesn't prove me wrong. If you watch the Youtube clip (and not the gif on the front page), you'll see.
September 29th, 2014 at 6:45 PM ^
And, you must have missed the part where Hoke has called for a targeting rule violation. Targeting involves shots with the crown of the helmet to the head/neck. I don't know about your dome, but most people's helmet-covered crown won't cover someone's head/neck AND chest.
September 29th, 2014 at 9:25 AM ^
Sure, its possible.
However, I don't think that him simply having a bum ankle is a possibility for what we saw, which is what Brady Hoke seems to be attempting to argue.
But you keep saying that he may have gotten the wind knocked out of him. Usually that occurs when you take a blow to the mid-section. I don't know if you actually have seen the play that occurred - I seriously have to ask due to your line of comments - but Morris takes a direct shot to his chin and slams his head against the ground. That's why I'm leaning towards a head injury over simply having the wind knocked out of him.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^
Sure, I've seen the play. Numerous times. You should have noticed that the helmet hits the bottom of Morris's facemask and then makes very solid contact with his chest.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
Holy shit dude. You might be a bigger fucking idiot than Brady Hoke. The top of his helmet connects directly with his chin guard area. You are either blind or have an IQ of 67.
Aren't you a football coach? What is your name and where do you coach? You shouldn't be allowed near a football player with your attitude and people should be directed to comments like this to understand why.
Please shut the fuck up you embarrassment.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
You need to calm down son.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
Nah, you know what? Sometimes people need to be called out for saying things that are really, really dumb. And the fact that this guy coaches football and can't even see that a guy gets blasted in the chin with a headhunting blow makes it both worrying and dangerous.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
"Please shut the fuck up you embarrassment."
It's nice to see that you're so rational.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
Maybe if you throw in a few more f-bombs, you might get me to do what you want.
September 29th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^
September 29th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^