OT: Golden Tate traded to Eagles for 3rd round pick
October 30th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Third rounder seems fair for a rental player, but it's definitely sad to see him go. Fills our missing third round pick in nicely too.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:11 PM ^
I'm cutting line to post the video of Golden Tate jumping into the MSU band - because I promise you it'll be the best thing posted on this thread. This is true even though I don't know how to embed properly. If you watch it and still think I'm wrong, I will accept every downvote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg-76xzGABE
October 30th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^
That was epic!
October 30th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
You were right. That was fantastic.
October 30th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^
LOG IN FOR THE UP VOTE!
October 30th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
I'm still laughing! Best video I've seen in a while!!!!
Disrespek!!
October 30th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
That was beautiful!
October 31st, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^
This is what I don't get about the NFL. Why am I supposed to care about Golden Tate? He went to fucking Notre Dame.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
Surprising...Tate is a baller the Lions need more like him
October 30th, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^
https://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2018/10/detroit_lions_reportedly_trade.html#incart_2box_sports
My apologies for the original dead link.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
That is a good trade. They weren't going to pay him what he is going to get elsewhere. Get something for him while you can. You can get an actual contributor in the third round.
October 31st, 2018 at 8:22 AM ^
They also save $3.7M in cap space, and restructured Marvin Jones contract as well, so they now have approximately $7.6M in cap space - which hopefully will be used next year to fill some of the defensive holes.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
This is a good trade. 3rd round is great value for a rental.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
How was Tate a rental? This was his 5th year with the team, and he was our most productive offensive weapon almost every year. The guy was established..wasn't like we grabbed him for half a season and he bailed.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:30 PM ^
For Philly.
October 30th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
This makes much more sense. I am an idiot. Carry on.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
He's a rental because this is the last year of his contract. The Eagles will not have him under contract after this season ends; hence "rental."
October 30th, 2018 at 4:04 PM ^
You know, this all makes sense after I learned how to read.
October 31st, 2018 at 12:03 AM ^
Naaaah, fuck that. I'm still confused.
Jk
October 30th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
The best they could have done had they kept him would have been a 5th round compensatory pick.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
Unleash Galladay
October 30th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^
Created another hole they need to fill. Lions could have easily re-signed him.(he isn’t getting a huge deal at age 30) Considering Quinn’s mixed draft record this trade is dubious.
They essentially gave up on the season. Lions have a horrendous defense so they need to be able to possess the ball. Tate is a superb possession WR.
Idiotic move.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^
They have a horrendous offense too. They are horrendous.
The Lions are a rebuild. Yes, even with Stafford. Might as well get started.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
Lions offense isn’t horrendous. Your post might be the worst ever written on the internet. I pity you.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^
You pity me?
You are still actively invested in the Detroit Lions.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:28 PM ^
You commented in this thread. Look in the mirror, fool.
It took the Lions 50 years to find another good QB. But sure, trade Stafford. Pure genius move.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:38 PM ^
The Lions can’t trade Stafford because he is an average QB making elite money. I never suggested trading him.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^
No doubt stafford has been money, especially at home against the Jets and Seahawks!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 2:44 PM ^
Nothing saying they can't sign him when the rental agreement is up with the Eagles. So they would actually get him back and have a third round pick.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
You do know you don't need to have a "possession" WR to possess the ball, right? Riddick is a decent RB with pretty good hands who could definitely help on 3rd down to move the chains and "possess" the ball. Also feeding Kerryon 25+ a game will help with possession. Blount can move it too on 3rd and short.
Speaking for a lot of fans, including myself, I will miss the YAC he brought to the Lions. Hoping the rookie Powell can channel some inner Tate. Who knows, maybe after the season BQ can gauge the market for him and if the cap space and need is there, we can bring him back (wishful thinking).
October 30th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
1. They have Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay, both of whom have been very good this year.
2. He'll be 31 by the time next season starts, considering he'll probably be able to get anywhere from 8-10 million per year, that seems like way too much to pay what will probably be the 3rd best receiver on the Lions next year.
3. Bob Quinn's draft record: Dashawn Hand, Frank Ragnow, and Kerryon Johnson have all looked excellent this year. No GM has a perfect record, and the Teez Tabor pick was an abomination, but Quinn has been very good at drafting especially in the later rounds.
4. They lost by 28 to the Jets, and lost to the Cowboys, 49ers, and Seahawks. They weren't winning the division. This isnt a very good football team, and its definitely not a team thats good enough to justify forgoing valuable future assets for a pipe dream of a 30 year old wide receiver making a genuine difference over the last 8 games before moving on to another team.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:41 PM ^
Sadly yes, at least a year away ... Kerryon Johnson looks like a great pick at this point.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:51 PM ^
He looks great! And the 2018 draft has been fantastic so far! And Snacks was great on Sunday, and Jarrad Davis has been decent, but he's still improving. AShawn has been terrific this year! There are a lot of things to like about the direction the Lions are going, and the bottom of the roster is better than most rosters, which means the depth is there. I truly believe the Lions are 1 or 2 real, impact players on defense away from contending in the NFC. If they could sign an edge rusher and drafted Devin White or Josh Allen, they could be in great shape.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^
Personally, I'd be pretty shocked if Golden Tate gets between 8-10 million, even at age 31. If that's what it took to re-sign him, the Lions are fools for not getting an extension done.
Jarvis Landry got 15 mil/year for 5, Brandin Cooks got about the same with more guaranteed money, and Tyler Lockett got 11-12 million for 3 years. And then looking at recent free agency signings, Paul Richardson took home an 8 mil/year contract, Allen Robinson went 3 years/42 million from the Bears, and Marvin Jones got 8/per two years ago in free agency.
Yes, all those players are younger than Tate, but Golden is still productive and is a better player than all those receivers listed above. I could see an NFL team going 13-16 million per year for Tate (probably on a three or four year deal) in free agency come March, and Tate himself knows this will be his last big payday.
October 30th, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^
Also, regarding point 3...
Bob Quinn had an excellent draft in 2018 (Ragnow and Johnson look like All-Pros, maybe Hand too), a pretty poor draft in 2017, and a good draft in 2016 (3-4 starters depending upon how you view Zettel)... But like you said, every GM has bad drafts (go look up Rick Speilman's 2016 draft for the Vikings... that's a very good GM whiffing on every pick) and everything Quinn has done has been forward-looking. He doesn't commit to long terms or big names in free agency, he extends key players like Stafford, Slay, Quin, and Diggs at the right times before their positional markets peak, and BQ has made shrewd moves like the Harrison trade last week or the Golden Tate trade today.
Sure, there are things that BQ does that I don't appreciate like going completely off-the-board at least once per draft (Tracy Walker, Jimmy Landes), trading higher future picks for lower current picks like the Hand trade, or not investing more resources into the defense... But even in this small three-year sample size, Quinn is pretty much far and away the most competent person the Lions have ever had in the front-office.
October 31st, 2018 at 12:35 AM ^
Golden isn't getting 8-10 mil per year. Try 13-17 mil per year. That's what I've been hearing. 11 million is the absolute minimum but considering the scarcity of quality WRs and he's the best WR in the FA market, he's going to get paid.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
Hard to figure out the message management is signaling here. On one end, Tate is going to want a big contract after the season. He's 30 years old and appears to have the legs to continue his stellar career. But he is 30 years old and you never know what will happen with aged NFL players. Quinn seems satisfied with Galladay and Jones at WR and Roberts at TE. Maybe Tate is expendable and you draft a replacement. But on the other end, the Lions laid an egg against Seattle and appears to be frauds, so why not cash in on rental players.
Either way, Quinn has pulled off a couple nice trades.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^
You need more than two WRs. Tate fit perfectly with Jones and Golladay. Now Lions need to add a possession WR. Just an imbecilic move by the buffoon Quinn.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:38 PM ^
Hate to say it, but the real imbecilic move is to remain a lions fan. SOL!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
Hate to say it, but the real imbecilic move is to remain a lions fan. SOL!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
If you say it twice...do you really hate to say it?
October 30th, 2018 at 3:10 PM ^
I guess not.
I guess not.
/space saved
October 30th, 2018 at 2:20 PM ^
Sad day but I fully get the logic.
However, Quinn needs to draft very well moving forward. Cannot afford early round misses anymore. Teez Tabor is the worst corner I've seen in a Leo's uniform in decades, and that honestly says a lot. There's been plenty of shitty ones.
October 30th, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^
He’s too damn slow and they knew that when they drafted him. He tries hard but just doesn’t have the speed for the NFL... One of their worst picks ever.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
I guess a third is an ok return, but the Lions went from hulking up to correct issues in-season (getting Snacks from the Giants for a 5th) to selling at the deadline in the space of a week. It doesn't sound like things are all that steady under the hood.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
They are 3-4, with an extremely difficult 5 game stretch upcoming. I wouldn't be shocked if Lions are 4-8 after those 5 games. It's probably the right move long term.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^
I mean crazier shit has happened... like them already beating GB and NE who most wrote predicted the Lions would lose to. Losing to upstart Seattle, who now look like the Seahawks of the most recent past, really took the jam out of their doughnut. If the Lions can squeak out a game or two against CHI and MIN, they'll be right in the thick of a division where everyone is taking each other out essentially.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^
Maybe that's the point of changing the status quo from Quinn's perspective.
I love Golden Tate (the only jersey I've ever worn) but the smart move says we weren't going to resign him based on the market for similar WRs and he's been very vocal about future contract expectations. Get something now, drop whatever you were willing to pay him on the abysmal defensive front 7 and consider moving some pieces around to fill the slot in the future (Riddick, Powell, FA). Hell, Kerryon Johnson has been very good catching the ball out of the backfield as well and creating his own YAC.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:33 PM ^
I think it's very steady, they're looking towards the next several years.
Harrison will likely be around another year or two, and as you said he fills a position of need.
Tate was 1 of 3 WRs, so that's not where the money needed to be committed.
So they filled a need with a good player, traded a good player at a position with less of a need, saved some cap space (Tate will probably get more than Harrison will the next 1 or 2 seasons), and in the mean time picked up a 3rd and gave away a 5th.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^
I feel confident in saying the Detroit Lions will never, not ever, win a Super Bowl.