Afternoon Games (Open) Thread ***updated from "Early Afternoon Games"***
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November 16th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:30 PM ^
They're the 3-time defending B1G champs. They also have more than nine people left over from their 2010 recruiting class. That helps.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^
And they aren't kicking ass. They have two losses. That's one less than UM.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
You'll have to show a program that was in a similiar state to UM in 2011. Ohio and Bama were not since the previous staffs left players who were a) talented and b) who fit the system the new staff desired.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^
According to who? Alabama's classes before Saban got there were ranked #24, #49, #18, and #11.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^
They also signed 109 players over that 4 year period. Pretty sure that alone guarantees Saban never faced the depth issues Hoke did.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:46 PM ^
24th isn't bad either. The main difference, however, is that Shula ran a pro style offense, which is what Bama runs. That means Bama already had kids schooled in that type of offense. He didn't need to recruit different types OL, QBs, or WR to play what he wanted to run.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^
This is not a reason for retaining a coach. Once this becomes your only argument, you're already dead.
Were you not around for the End Of RichRod?
November 16th, 2013 at 1:48 PM ^
another year or two than RichRod did.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^
OSU has 4 new starters on the OL next year, none of whom have ever pushed for starting time in their careers. Of their 5 likely OL backups, 4 of them will be true sophomores or red-shirt freshmen. They also lose their first and second string running backs. It's probably 50/50 whether Braxton Miller leaves a year early or not.
Projecting them to be undefeated seems... premature.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:18 PM ^
He never lets facts get in the way of his arguments.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^
Sure, but going undefeated is hard, even against cruddy teams. If you have a 90% chance of winning each individual game, you've only got a 28% chance of winning 12 games. Getting his players to play well is fine, but I don't think it should automatically be assumed to translate to a greater than 90% of winning your average road game in the Big 10, or a home game agaist VT. If it was that easy, there would be way more undefeated teams at the end of the regular season every year than there are.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^
We were playing against a garbage big ten in the 70s and 80s and still managed to drop a game we shouldn't have every year.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^
UM's have not. The same for Meyer. Tressell ran spread at the end of his tenure so even Ohio did not have to make the same massive changes in recruiting that UM has had to.
That said, Funk has done a poor job and must be let go.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
They also lose Kenny Guiton, so they'll no longer have injury insurance at QB even if Miller returns.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^
They will have RS FR JT Barnett, and RS SO Cardale "we ain't come to play school" Jones backing up Braxton. So at the very least they'll have some "experienced" back-ups.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^
Their defense is going to be loaded next year. Almost their entire DL is freshman, RS freshman, and sophomores. They have ordinary linebacking this year outside of 1 LB and the secondary has one relatively overrated guy named Roby - it is a very young defense that has made leaps and bounds from early September. But no worries, I am sure there will be tremendous drop off because they dont have a coaching staff who can develop players.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:42 PM ^
First off halff their starting D-Line are juniors. Yes they will likely be back, but stating they are freshmen and sophmores is false.
Oh and OSU 's defense improvement magically occured when they stopped playing teams with fuctioning offense. Shocking! What a coincidence.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^
Here is their 2 deep
- Noah Spence SO - starter
- Jamal Marcus SO - 2 deep
- Tommy Schutt SO - 2 deep
- Chris Carter RS SO - 2 deep
- Adolphus Washington SO - pushed out by Bosa it appears
- Joey Bosa FR - starter
Bosa, Washington, Schutt, Spence are prime time players doing big things already. They have 4 juniors, 2 who start at tackles. Backup Miller (DE), Hale and Bennett at tackles and Moore as another backup DE. No seniors. They will be loaded on the DL and its VERY youthful.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:52 PM ^
But half their starters on the d-line are juniors.
Also I don't know how any reasonable person can call those guys "prime time" players with the schedule OSU played. That is what is called hyperbole. Cal is awful and put up 34 on them.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^
Sadly they will be a lot better on the line then we are next year. OSU had a O line that everyone thought was going to be bad last year and they did great. Urban knows how to coach em up.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:34 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:12 PM ^
Honestly I think Ron Zook is a better coach than Tim Beckman.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:15 PM ^
OMG ILLINOIS SCORED
November 16th, 2013 at 1:18 PM ^
Illinois scored
November 16th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:25 PM ^
We will run, run, run and set up a PA pass. Then when we get down by 2 scores we'll just keep running the PA and our QB will one day explode.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:30 PM ^
Or he could watch UCLA game tape - because they have a load of very young offensive lineman and find a way to be competent...
November 16th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^
They also have a much, much better OL than we have.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^
And who is responsible for that?
November 16th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
Much better game. Kendall Fuller just made an incredible play and a single tear gently cascaded over my cheek.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:29 PM ^
I haven't seen any of Wisconsin-IU, but that 27-0 score is awfully impressive. As much as Bielema seemed like a meathead, he really raised Wisconsin to a high level (higher than they were under Alvarez), and they're still there.
November 16th, 2013 at 2:05 PM ^
Wisky had 323 yards rushing...in the 1st half alone. Thet have a great O line that just reloads every year and they have two explosive RBs. Very impressive.
November 16th, 2013 at 2:34 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:29 PM ^
I'm reminded of what Devin used to do, and I feel sad.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^
November 16th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^
When have we ever been able to do anything with punts?
November 16th, 2013 at 1:37 PM ^
UCLA OL
- T: Xavier Sua-Filo Class of 2009
- G: Scott Quessenberg Class of 2013
- C: Jake Brendel Class of 2011
- G: Alex Redmond Class of 2013
- T: Caleb Benenoch Class of 2013
41 pts vs Washington, 31 vs Arizona, 45 v Colorado, 14 and 10 vs Stanford and Oregon, 37 vs Cal, 34 v Utah, 41 vs common opponent Nebraska
But...but...but.... nothing can be accomplished against solid teams with freshman or RS freshman on your line! Borges told me.
Mr. Adrian Klemm, please come to Michigan.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^
We have played the whole "Find the one outlier in the whole country and draw questionable conclusions from it" game many times.
I get that you're MAD AND WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, but the reality is that most lines with an interior as young as ours are going to suck. It could be that Funk is coaching poorly and that's adding to the suckitude, but the fact that one team in the country can manage with a young OL tells us little.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^
No one is asking for a Wisconsin line. I am asking for top third MAC level OL at this point.
And Mr. Klemm apparently coaches the RBs as well so we can let Jackson retire, send Funk out, hire Klemm to take both spots and hire a full time DL coach so Hoke can concentrate on... well whatever he does.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^
He also just happens to forget the fact that UCLA has a future first round draft pick playing QB that helps there young o-line a lot. And if he had actually watched UCLA play at all this year he would know that while they have run the ball well Hundley has spent a lot of this year running for his life and getting clobbered.
November 16th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
but but but Devin was a potential 1st rounder who was going to leave early after this year (maybe) and on his way to a Heisman. Or maybe his coaching just is not letting him get to his potential.
November 16th, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^
Important question: Is Hundley running for his life in front of the line of scrimmage or behind? Inquiring minds want to know. I ask facetiously of course. They had a LB run for 4 TDs and 60 yards yesterday... seemed to be ok.
The have >2000 yards rushing to 1200 for UM. I think they are doing ok. But I am sure it's all because of the QB.