Things learned at tonight's Michigan Midwest Coach's Tour

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So I went to the Midwest Coach's Tour, aka "Sports-O-Rama," tonight in Chicago, hosted by the Chicago Michigan Alumni Association. We had a wonderful time, hearing from Brandon, Hoke, Beilein, Kim Barnes Arico (Women's basketball,) and Hockey Asst Coach Brian Wiseman.

It was a great night, and a lot of fun. It was clear they had rehearsed and done this before, as this is the end of a 10 day tour, starting on the West Coast. (Brandon asked Hoke, for instance, "Did you really say that Notre Dame was chicken?" To which, Hoke answered, "I did.") They all had a good time, were happy to be there, and took a number of questions from the crowd. The only hard question had to do with Michigan's APR, which was low last year, and lower this year. We're abysmal compared to ND & Northwestern. (football is 7th in the Big 10 in ranking.) Brandon didn't quite say "answer to the hand," but close. His basic answer was, come back to me again in four years and ask the same question. The rolling average makes it very difficult to overcome students who do poorly four years back.

Afterwards, the coaches went to different locations, to take questions, sign autographs, take pictures, etc. The lines were ridiculously long for Hoke and Beilein, understandably so. I waited a bit to talk to Brandon. The first thing I'll say is that he was very personable, approachable, and not defensive at all. You can see how he is great for the position of AD. Here are a couple things he said.

  • Adding Maryland and Rutgers is not just about TV dollars today. They both certainly open us to the New York, Baltimore, DC markets. But more than that, the problem is projected population growth. According to Brandon, the midwest is flat to declining in the number of people. Projecting out 10 years, the SEC & ACC are seeing significant population growth in their footprint, while the traditional Big 10 footprint is stagnant and stable. Adding the two new teams helps mitigate against this population trend.
  • In the future, 12 noon starts will be extremely rare for Michigan (except maybe for Ohio.) TV drives everything, and they want as many night games as possible, and late afternoon games as possible. Teams in the bottom half of the conference will be relegated to 12 or 12:30pm starts. Michigan will almost always have an afternoon or evening start time.
  • Brandon is working hard to schedule better non-conference games. A number of teams  are ducking Michigan, even when offered very significant money (I think Toledo would be one of these.) We already have a home and home with Arkansas, and with Virginia Tech. Expect an announcement on a home and home with a major West Coast team in the next couple weeks. (USC? UCLA? Stanford? Oregon? I'm guessing Stanford.) ND is at least 10 years, maybe 15, before being regularly rescheduled.
  • The door is open for Chris Webber. He is the only one of the Fab 5 not to reach out to Michigan. (Obv., there were limitations until recently on his contact with Michigan.) But Brandon is willing to talk with Chris, if that's what Chris wants to do.

The highlight of my evening, by far, was an unexpected discussion. Three of us were getting ready to head out. As we were walking, I looked over at Laura, and said to the two guys I was with, "I want to say hi to Laura Hoke." She was incredibly personable, sweet, talkative, and approachable.  Obviously, you don't ask Laura bubble screen questions. (sorry, Heiko.) But she was just a fount of information. We went all over the place, and I'll try to remember some of what she said.

  • The coaches and wives are extremely close. Hoke and Mattison were together at Western Michigan for 5 years, overlapped several years under Carr at Michigan, and are back together again. Hoke and Borges got along very well at San Diego. They all just get along, and enjoy each other's company. I can really see how the wives getting along fosters the family atmosphere recruits have talked about. Every school says they're a family:  Michigan really is.
  • The wives sometimes join their husbands in recruiting. (And they have to be reminded by coaches to talk to recruits and recruit's moms, not to each other.)
  • Laura told a story about talking to Pepper's coaches and parents, just making small talk. They assumed she was part of the staff in some capacity, asked who she was, and she said, "oh, I'm one of the d line coach's wives." At which point, one of them figured it out.
  • I asked whether it was Hoke or his grandchild that brought Mattison to Michigan. She said, "Both (citing the friendship.) She also said, "Mattison really didn't enjoy the NFL the same way he enjoys the college game."
  • I asked how long Borges and Mattison would be there. She said, "Forever. They're not going anywhere." Seriously, as long as their health holds out, I think Borges and Mattison will stay at Michigan. I think their wives don't want to go anywhere else, especially Mattison's wife.
  • I asked if Brady ever encouraged one of his staff to take a promotion to coach elsewhere. She said, "Well, the ONLY coach to ever leave Brady's staff was Montgomery." That's an incredible statistic, and speaks of real loyalty.
  • I mentioned that Da'Shawn Hand has talked about how "real" the Michigan coaches are, not putting on a show, just regular folks who enjoy life and care for each other and the players. That he liked the "family" atmosphere. Laura told me another story. She mentioned that a recruit had come to Michigan, and had also visited another school down south, who really "put on the red carpet." The recruit's mom was very impressed by the red carpet treatment, and Hoke's attitude was, "that's not us. We're not doing that for anyone. We are who we are." The recruit eventually went to the school down south. I thought to myself later, that recruit must have been Treadwell. I could see that if Mississippi really pulled out all the stops, treated recruits like royalty, that would impress some of them.
  • Brady doesn't ever do negative recruiting. He just shares about Michigan and their resources, and Michigan sells itself.
  • I asked Laura what was the hardest part of recruiting. She said, "It starts so early, and it never stops." Laura said, "if a five star recruit [her words] comes to campus, what are the coaches going to do? They're going to go to the office, show the recruit around, spend time with him." With unofficial visits happening all the time, you NEVER are off as a coach or a wife. She said they'd get a couple weeks of vacation in July, but that's it.
  • Laura (like Brady) is very open. Brady shared again about his bad choices his first two years at Ball State. This really shapes how he cares for the "105 sons" who are on the MIchigan team. On this area, Laura had very high praise for the academic support team, and how proactive they are in helping Freshmen before they get on campus, and the minute they're on campus.
  • I asked Laura about Football Saturdays. She said that they were a lot of fun. They have as many as 50 family members sleeping over Friday and Saturday night in their home.
  • Laura really enjoyed the Senior Leadership training in California last week. The Seals did their thing, Laura was able to visit friends in San Diego, the team got to see the Rose Bowl (and picture being there,)  and the Seniors did their football clinic for kids in Pasadena. Brady had nothing to do with it:  the seniors needed to organize drills, and make the whole thing happen.

I hope you all get the opportunity to go to one of these things sometime. What a great couple Brady and Laura are. Just seeing her and Brady, I can see why the summer Barbecue would be so successful. And what a treat to hear her perspective on football at Michigan. She so clearly is having fun and enjoying this.

I will stand by the essence of what I said, although this is all from memory, and so it is not word for word. There was way more that happened, but this already is far too long, and gives you a taste of the evening.

 

Comments

trueblueintexas

June 6th, 2013 at 11:29 AM ^

Thanks for attending and sharing. It's always cool to get a little different perspective so I really enjoyed the recounting of your conversation with Laura Hoke. Thank you.

StephenRKass

June 6th, 2013 at 5:03 PM ^

I can't edit the original post, but here is a nice picture of Laura, along with Brady, and their daughter, who has moved to Ann Arbor (from Arizona, IIRC.) I can tell you from last night that this is exactly how Brady and Laura look. (And I have a soft spot for Brady, since I have about the same build as him, and my wife the same build as Laura.)

Michiganguy19

June 6th, 2013 at 11:58 AM ^

1. The guy that asked the APR question, did the same thing last year. He was trying to steal the show and it was smary and annoying. I could see that Hoke wanted to walk across the room and stuff him in a locker. Glad that Brandon gave him the pimp hand. 

2. I asked Brandon about what he thinks of the NEW Dominos Pizza these days... He laughed, said he is a fan and that the transformation was part of a long plan over at Dominos  going back to when even he was there.

3. I had missed this tidbit, but apparently Devin Gardner has already graduated from Michigan and is enrolling in Grad school. Congrats to him. 

4. I had a few minutes in discussion with Fred Jackson, he said the seniors were on their way back from the SEALS trainging and that Jeremy and the guys had a great time - but it was hard as hell. Fred did not disappoint, he described Derrick Green with many superlatives and said he weighs 239 lbs and runs a 4.4 40 yd dash. "Chris Perry with speed".

5. Coach B talked about how important it was for the AD and the Athletic Dept. to revamp the basketball facilities. He very confidently said, "we wanted to fix the program permanently." With a real emphasis that the team and run last year was special, but that Michigan basketball should be good every year moving forward. 

StephenRKass

June 6th, 2013 at 3:57 PM ^

I kind of agree with you on the APR question guy. In fact, I wondered if he was a reporter of some kind. It was definitely a more adversarial question, and from my perspective, the one and only uncomfortable "gotcha" kind of question in the evening. My eyes glaze over slightly with the APR formulas (it probably is simpler than I realize.) Regardless, I do believe that things are improving, and we'll see a large improvement in the APR over the next few years, with more stability among the football players. I think Hoke definitely underscored this improvement in pointing out that both Denard and Devin graduated, with Denard being the first college grad ever from his family.

Section 1

June 6th, 2013 at 12:22 PM ^

It's gotten bad enough, with PSD's, increased prices, nonexistent Victors Club parking, and defective home scheduling. A flock of night games on our home schedule might just convince me to switch to becoming a StubHub Club member.

UMgradMSUdad

June 6th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^

Great stuff Stephen. I think your discussion with Laura helps illustrate just how demanding a coaching job at a major university can be--not just for the coaches, but their families as well, and that they are never truly off the clock so to speak.  

Also, anything they say to almost anyone can be posted on line or on Twitter, not that it was a problem here, but in the hands of someone with an axe to grind or out for notoriety, words can be twisted to sound like something completely different than intended.

 

reggie99

June 6th, 2013 at 12:33 PM ^

They talked a bit about the renovation at Schembechler Hall.  Brandon said that when it was done, there would be an 8-foot statue of Bo in front of the building.  This would be the first time in the history of the university that a statue of a person has been approved for campus.  I didn't catch the timeline for the completion of this project.

I thought the most entertaining exchange of the night was regarding the Notre Dame series.  Hoke did acknowledge calling them chicken, and went to explain how important rivalries are to Michigan, and how UM did not want the rivalry to end.  Beilein covered his face when they were discussing how Hoke called them chicken - clearly that is not his style.  Then Brandon talked about how they've been trying to get Notre Dame back on the basketball schedule for years, but that ND does not want to play us.  He said "John, why do you think that is?".  Beilein laughed, but didn't take the bait - he stared at the floor and said "I'll let Brady answer that", and Hoke immediately said "They're chicken".  Very funny.

Marley Nowell

June 6th, 2013 at 12:55 PM ^

Very interesting that the Seniors are in charge of organizing all the drills.  I really like how Hoke has made it a point to number the teams and make it about playing for the seniors on the team.

Section 1

June 6th, 2013 at 2:30 PM ^

...is it CARA time, if the coaches are involved?  I suspect that they don't even allow "coached" time, regardless of counting it as CARA time, outside of the season and spring ball.  So do they have to let the seniors self-organize it?  Would it be okay to involve the coaches, if there were absolutely no footballs and no football drills?

StephenRKass

June 6th, 2013 at 2:53 PM ^

You are correct, Section 1. I couldn't comment on everything, but Laura definitely implied that the coaches COULDN'T be involved. However, forcing the seniors to plan and organize the camp is great leadership training, and I think it sets the groundwork for what they'll be doing with the Freshman once practice begins in August.

Laura told some great stories about what they did with the kids in Pasadena. It turns out the mayor of Pasadena is a Michigan Law Grad, and really worked with them on the mini-camp they did. Some of the kids were so excited, they sat and waited HOURS for the Michigan players to arrive. These are underprivileged kids, and Laura did say that many of the players on the team (from underprivileged backgrounds) really resonated with what they were doing. Let's just say my eyes were a tiny bit moist hearing about this. I guess there was a really small kid who was a great QB, and the interactions between him and the team were great.

I think we'll also be hearing more about how the SEAL training broke them down and built them up. As an aside, my own daughter finished boot camp at Great Lakes in April, and while nothing like SEAL training, a lot of the principles taught are the same. (immediate and total obedience.)

DISCUSS Man

June 6th, 2013 at 1:29 PM ^

  • 3:30 games are the norm now? Fuck.
  • Statue of Bo is gonna be amazing. Now we need one for Fritz at Crisler and Fielding at Yost, Ray at Fisher, Don at Canahm and so on and so forth.
  • Dump ND in 2014 and schedule USC. SC has an open date on the same day.
  • Please oh please let's return the Michigan-Washington rivalry. Michigan and Husky are two of the classic stadiums still standing in college football. Husky Stadium just got a massive renovation.
  • No surprise toledo is ducking Michigan. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They know that on 8/30/2014, app state blood will be spilled. I'll say this- app state beat Michigan in 2007. Flat out outplayed them. Michigan lost that game to toledo in the season that wasn't. toledo did nothing to win that football game except be there to grab the bacon when Michigan shot themselves in foot repeatedly. 
  • RE: ND ducking us in basketball- No surprise. They're the most overrated program ever. No national titles unless you count Pre-Tournament Helms Era titles. They're a joke. They choke every year in the tournament. Really no surprise since they're chickening out in football because we spanked their ass 5 of the last 7, and they're ducking us in basketball because Michigan has 3 game win streak against them. 

boliver46

June 6th, 2013 at 2:34 PM ^

has been in a huge state of flux last several years and program seems to be weakening.  Coaches have been in and out the door in recent years.  Since Pinkel, Amstutz was there for a long time and was part of the stronger years of Toledo, but since then we had Tim Beckman for two years and now Matt Campbell (first head coaching job) all in a relatively short time with lots of staff turnover.  Hasn't been as attractive a destination for mid-major recruits with the appearance of coaching instability.

I feel like they're ducking due to having a very immature staff and program under the current regime and need time to bring in "their guys" and instill their philosophy (non-spread offense, 3-4 defense).

Oh and a$$-whoopings are never fun despite the $$$

StephenRKass

June 6th, 2013 at 4:14 PM ^

Brandon made a point of saying that in the 196 years of the University of Michigan, there has never, ever, been a single statue of anyone, anywhere, on campus. He implied that there were a number of hoops that had to be jumped through in order to get the statue of Bo approved, because it was establishing precedent the Regents were cautious about establishing.

Section 1

June 6th, 2013 at 7:33 PM ^

The bas-relief plaque of Jesse Owens (Ohio State University!) at Ferry Field is the only thing close to an exception.

Is there a small statue of of Madelon Stockwell at the Hall which bears her name?

BlueFordSoftTop

June 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

I may just show up at the Hoke residence this Fall and attempt to sleepover among the blessed 50. Sport my new Maize 'n Blue jammies. It could work. /dream_when_Dr._Hamlet_III_flies

Bluegoose

June 6th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^

You have to be kidding! Great stuff and lots of insight. It does not surprise me about how down to earth Laura and Brady are; but nonetheless, it sure is good to hear it and to know that all the coaches and wives get along so well and are involved in recruiting. Special piece. Thanks very much.

Touchdown... N…

June 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^

Since I opted not to jump in the longer lines I joined a few friends at the Fred Jackson table... and that by itself was worth the price of admission. He obviously was not able to discuss who he liked best from certain positions, but his comments on 

Green:
"worked him out the other week and the kid's a brick shithouse I tell ya. Runs low, fast, and mean. We're going to throw his ass out there and see what happens"

To Jake Ryan:
"Bar none best defensive player on the team. Will no doubt be back in Oct. and is ready to tear some heads off"

To Fitz:
"He was ready to go for the spring game, we just didn't want to put hiim out there with the conditions"

were all quite refreshing, off the cuff, and pretty funny at times. It was definitely a great event.

bubblelevel

June 6th, 2013 at 2:26 PM ^

But let's just wait and see.  Was looking at last year's press day and Jackson was saying the same about Hayes and Rawls  : )    Green should be a very powerful runner no doubt though. I am concerned that he doesn't have the frame to carry "239".  He was a stiff runner at whatever his high school weight was and he is built stocky to begin with.  Don't know what his best weight will be but that sounds a little too much and speaks to a concern that he has physically plateaued already.

oldcityblue

June 6th, 2013 at 2:51 PM ^

On the contrary, one of the exciting things about D.G. was his initiative to not settle for simply being "good". It seems he understood that if he wanted to be great, he would have to get mean and lean, resulting in him reportedly losing 50 lbs that put him at 220. I not only think he will be just fine with the weight, but will end up being one of our best RBs ever.

Michigasling

June 6th, 2013 at 2:17 PM ^

Did anyone go to the NYC event this year?  Was curious about the attendance, since they almost (or more than) doubled the price since the last time and wondered if that priced out many who'd otherwise have gone.  It was a full house last time, but the admission didn't include lunch; lunch could be ordered off the menu to suit one's budget and appetite. 

jadaSPW

June 6th, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^

I was at the NYC event. I thought it was great, but hadn't been to a coach event since the Rodriguez/Bill Martin event in NY before the 2008 season. The lunch buffett was good and the room was full. Don't have a basis for comparison from last year, but I think there were probably 150 people or so there.

After the event Hoke, Beilein, Brandon and Mattison were there to sign/chat/take photos. The Hoke line was the longest, but Beilein's really wasn't much smaller. Brandon took time to speak at length with people so his line moved pretty slow, but I and others definitely appreciated the time. Mattison was having a good time with the people who lined up for him. They all waited until everyone on line had a chance to meet, and while it may have thrown off their schedules, I imagine everyone in attendance went home happy.

Not much was said that was particularly newsworthy. Someone did ask if Brandon was going to try to move the Rutgers game off campus to MetLife Stadium. He said that would be a Rutgers decision and he would not be involved in the process.

One person asked a super snarky question to Hoke. I think it was "do you think technology will ever advance to the point where you would consider wearing a headset during the game?" Hoke once again explained his rationale for not wearing one, but inside I think he wanted to bodyslam the guy for the way he asked the question.

All in all, great event, great job by the UMNYC, and I would definitely do it again next year.

Michigasling

June 6th, 2013 at 7:38 PM ^

I'm embarrassed to say that the main thing I remember from last year was being surprised that both Beilein and Berenson had such a great sense of humor.  Guess I'd only seen them in press conferences or interview videos, or shots of them coaching.  I expected it from Hoke, having seen his hiring interview and the way he handled Drew Sharp.  Fortunately there were no snarky questions to put a damper on the all-humor coaching team.

Here2CWoodson

June 6th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^

I went, and had a few thoughts as well....

Dave Brandon is extremely proud of the facilities- in an obsessive way. He made each coach talk about how great they are and how much they help with recruiting. It was almost like Brandon was trying to show how important his work is when everyone just thinks about how great the coaches are. (Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge supporter of Brandon and am not trying to feed into the arrogance notion around him, just something I noticed). Oh and Brandon is VERY happy with Brady's recruiting efforts.

The most interesting thing I heard was an anti-Fred Jackson quote. Right at the end a guy asked him something regarding if Denard played RB his whole career, how would he translate to the pros. I got excited for a superlative, but instead he was like- " I don't know. He's too small for an NFL running back. They all say he'll be there, but he's too small I think. And he doesn't have the hands for WR, nor the hips for corner, so I don't know where he will end up."

With an opportunity to hear Fred talk about Denard that was the opposite of what I expected, but interesting nonetheless.

Overall, cool experience. Got pics with Hoke and Beilein, so that was cool.

w2j2

June 7th, 2013 at 8:48 AM ^

Remember who the audience is!

Brandon is speaking to the Alumni, a.k.a. DONORS.

He wants them to give money for facilities! 

So he is going to talk about how important they are, and he is going to remind his coaches to talk about how important their facilities are to their teams' success.

RowoneEndzone

June 6th, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^

That was a great read SRk!  Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us.  I especially liked the perspective from Laura Hoke's point of view.  That's not something you read every day.  Well done!

Section 1

June 6th, 2013 at 3:19 PM ^

So +1 for you my friend.  Pretty sure that Stephen didn't intend to break the story of the polygamous Hoke family.

  • Laura told a story about talking to Pepper's coaches and parents, just making small talk. They assumed she was part of the staff in some capacity, asked who she was, and she said, "oh, I'm one of the d line coach's wives." ...

 

 

Srlsy: +1 to Stephen for this very nice diary post.  I've happily joined the pos-bang.

Section 1

June 6th, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^

Sports statues are generally soooo bad. 

Here's the Joe Paterno statue:

 

 

Just kidding.  Here is what it looked like before they mothballed it:

It looks like a cartoon.  It belongs in a shopping mall.

Here's another shopping mall special, Woody Hayes:

It looks like somebody's idea of Paul Bunyan with metal-frame glasses and a block O baseball cap.

 

There is the remarkably weird Nick Saban statue, proving that just about every coach in the SEC gets a statue, and every Alabama coach gets one.  This one makes Nick Saban look like a kind of Walter Mitty:

 

Speaking of Alabama, Bear Bryant's statue turned out okay -- a real rarity in sports -- but perhaps because Bear Bryant was part-statue in real life.  If the sculptor hadn't gotten this one right, Bear would have come back from the dead and kicked everybody's ass.

 

But all of these are mostly artistic disasters.  I hate sports figure statues.  They are virtually all so cheap, and so bad.

Given that lots of sports fans, with zero artistic sensibility, and with great desire to take each other's picture with their iPhones standing in front of "their" coach's statute, and wearing their school's sweatshirt, it makes complete sense that David Brandon would slot that project near the top of the list, surpassing the acrylic fur mascot and free donuts for the first-arriving students on game day.  Crazy bread for everybody.  Rest in peace if you can, Bo.  The Yost and Crisler statues will be in the chopped liver aisle, just off the newly-completed Victors Walk of Champions.

Not only would I refuse to contribute to a Schembechler statue fund, I would urge everyone who was genuinely fond of Bo to not contribute.  So that there is no bronze cartoon of him to obscure our fondest memories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

grumbler

June 6th, 2013 at 8:38 PM ^

Not only would I refuse to contribute to a Schembechler statue fund, I would urge everyone who was genuinely fond of Bo to not contribute.  So that there is no bronze cartoon of him to obscure our fondest memories.

I don't agree with everything you say, but agree 100% on this.  A Bo statue is antithetical to the things Bo stood for.  That it is a larger-than-life statue moves it from the horrific to the obscene.

StephenRKass

June 8th, 2013 at 5:46 PM ^

Angelique's article describes the Laura I saw to a T. In fact, I was kind of glad to read this, to confirm one or two of the things I recalled Laura saying. Thanks for the link.