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We're battling

Tough game, we're battling..only down by 8 and not even playing our best baskebtall yet. Lets go blue. 

Why do some of you even watch the game?

Every time there is a football or basketball game and we start slow 40% of the people on this board are pessimistic cry babies. Why do you even watch the game? It's a long game, and we are still in it. #hail #goblue

As a coach..

I love this article, and I love the highlights the poster provided. There are several reasons the south has exploded in football the past decade. And part of it is that we are handicapped up north in some regards when it comes to high school. In the south they have year round training (we have year round weight-lifting, but there are so many rules against off-season OTA's in MHSAA). They have spring practice (we don't), well paid coaches (I'm a 25 year old varsity assistant and I've been on staff for 5 years, I make $1000/year, and I'm doing football related activities all year long) we get paid barely anything for the time we put in and for as little as we make most people can't afford to put the time in and make almost nothing for it. Sometimes this leads to coaches hiring guys on their staffs who are low-quality coaches (insert like you thought here). There is immense pressure to win (I'd say we are under pressure, but not like for sale signs in your yard pressure), weather conditions (they can run 7 on 7 and do all things outside all year round that we can't). We have draconian rules (We can only work with 5 players and a ball at a time during the off-season). Way more resources for football, and I hate to say more passionate fans but I almost have too. I think it there was the same level of dedication here then the playing field would be a little bit more balanced in terms of production of HS talent. 

Wow I can't believe the haters...

You guys are seriously nuts. The one guy was on Syracuse's roster last year. That means he was on an elite Division 1 basketball team. They were "air-balling" because Scal is long and it's tough to get a good look against him. Any one of you go out there against him and the result is the same. Unless you have participated in elite athletics then you have no idea how good pro-athletes really are. Scal may have been an average to below average NBA player, but he is still an ELITE basketball player...against anyone. 

Actually...

The one guy was on Syracuse's team last year. You can look him up on the roster. So I wouldn't say that's terrible. The other guy played pro ball in Europe. So they weren't your avergae gym all-stars. I just think it speaks to the eliteness of pro-athletes over even solid athletes. 

Sad story..

RIP, and thoughts and prayers to his family. I hope there is a full inverstigation and that it turns out that this was just a terrible accident. 

Teo knew

Don't be fools. Go read the evidence on Deadspin, they present it very well. If you think that Teo was an unwilling vicitim you are ignorant. ND is just in a very desperate manner to support their star. But, the truth is painfully obvious when you consider all the evidence...come on people.  

Such a BS play...

Unblocked, my grandma could have made that tackle. Probably not the hit stick, but for sure the tackle. Clowney got HANDLED ALL game by Lewan, and he makes 3 plays the ENTIRE game and he is the hero and player of the game. Deep down inside as any lineman who's ever played competative football knows he's saying...Wow that boy was good, and he handled me. Whoever put that in the paper is an idiot. Probably some dumb MSU fan with no life. Vincent Smith did all the intangible things that DON'T show up on the stat sheet, and made some big plays for us in his career. It's sad to me that this is what people will remember about him. Not the pass protection, toughness, and the fact that he HOPED up like a champion right after the hit. Pisses me off. 

I'm telling you guys...

1. Inside zone at TE

2. C gap power

3. ISO

4. Outside zone at TE

5. 3 step West Coast

6. 5 step West Coast

7. Inside trap (See Harbaugh and the 49ers everytime they play the Lions because of our terribly undisciplined DL play)

8. BYU 2-back pass game. Look it up. Lots of guys stoled it and incorporated it into the gun, but the BYU 2-back attacking pass game was killer in it's day. And we'eve seen Hoke come out in that old-school 2 back formation already. 

 

and to the guy who told me it won't look like Wisconsin..every run oriented team runs the same run plays. It just depends on which ones they favor. Do Stanford and Wisconsin look the same, no but they run all the same plays. Stanford favors pulling guards and power plays, Wisconsin favors zone plays. But, I gurantee the players on each team know ALL the basic run plays whether they be zone, power, iso, man/man playes etc. Because EVERY heavy run team runs the same plays, save Midline option teams.

Inverted veer reads?

You just contrardicted yourself. You said we will be an inside zone team, but won't use any zone blocking. Zone blocking is a staple of any run-oriented offense. You can't run power/iso/manmanblock every play. Inside zone at TE and outside zone WILL be in our aresenal I can gurantee it. I say it will look like Wisconsin because Bielema learned it from the old school guys and made it famous at Wisconsin. And I've never seen ANYONE in college football run an inverted veer read. So I HATE when people call it that. A veer read is 2 reads, DT, DE, and if you then want to count the OLB (that would make a 3). What we ran is a ZONE READ (1 read). Denard was reading ONE defender in a zone and making a decision based on what that defender did...zone read. There is 1000 different types of zone read. A REAL inverted veer read would be reading the DE first, then the 3 tech, or 1 tech. And there is no such play...no such thing as an inverted veer. I'm sorry it's coach speak and we play a very good veer team to open the season every year so I hate when people mislabel the veer. We did run zone read this year when Denard was playing QB. We did zone block because that's what you do on zone reads. I'm sure we switched betwen zone and man blocking depending one situation. How do I know this? Last year I talked to Coach Funk at the Kalamazoo clinic for about an hour and bombarded him with all kinds of technical questions. I will be attending next weekend. I'll let you guys know how it goes. I hate to be a technical Tommy, but I'm right. 

Yea...

I guess I was talking about the Denard version of our offense ala Rich Rod and Hoke year 1. 

Tubberville is a scumbag.

He coached at Auburn, for one. He physically assaulted an assistant coach, he bailed on recruits at a dinner like a coward, and now this...the actions of a small man. As a young coach he is everything I never want to be. I hope someone puts up 50 on him, and may fate deal him a terrible hand. I hate TT.

We have been...

We've been a zone blocking team. Zone reads are all zone blocked plays. The only plays we run that aren't zone blocked are power/iso which are man-man scheme. We haven't ran any trap plays or anything like that in years. So we've been a primarily zone blocking team, either way. 

Zone, power, Iso, boot....

The last few years our offense was primarily a zone read, and QB power in terms of the run game. We sometimes tried to run some Iso and power stuff out of the I-formation with dismal results. I would expect we scrap most, if not all of our shotgun zone read plays. I would expect to see inside zone at TE (Wisconsin style), and outside zone plays out of run formations, mixed in with Iso's when the D starts playing the edges hard, and traps and power plays when the DL starts getting up field trying to attack our pro-style pass game. Throw in some boots to keep the defense honest, and some 3 and 5 steps drops to compliment our run game. It will be very Wisconsin looking. Obviously, we will still have shotgun for obvious passing situations, but like I said lot's of inside/outside zone runs, and power plays. Those are staples of a pro-style offense, and they're universal in how they are run. You can look up the mechanics of the plays if you are interested. The concepts are shockingly simple, and those will be our base plays. They can be run with/without a lead blocker. 

Not everyone

I agree that it is genrally negative for an athlete to use marijuana. But your argument is short sighted. Not everyone who uses marijuana turns into a mindless vegetable. Some people use it thereputically, or for creative purposes. And some people prefer it to alcohol use, and I don't see you rallying against that. Either way we don't know what they were suspended for so we can't just assume it was marijuana. 

Forgive my ignorance..

But wasn't Hill an Iowa verbal previously? 

Who said its over?

That's why they play till 15! HAIL!

One more!

Let's go baby! Hail! 

I dont think its fair..

To criticize someone for running their mouths. We do it everyday on this site. He's just famous and people actually care what he says. 

Wow.

Why even bother posting or reading, or being interested in Michigan football if you're going to automatically declare a match-up against SC a loss? It's a football game and anything can happen. We could beat SC. It's a good thing you aren't a coach. I can't believe the pessimistic fans on this site sometimes. 

Not Kool-Aid

Its not Kool-Aid, it's Hoke-Aid, and it tastes like Sugar. We're going to win our bowl game, and send Denard with a victory like he deserves for all he's done for our program the past few years. Hail. 

Lets not be so pessimistic...

How many of you veterans were on here in 2007 before we played FL and Tebow saying we were going to get rolled by 40? If Borges does his job (because we know Mattison will with a month to prepare) we can handle A&M. I feel like if it was up to some people on this board we wouldn't play a game until Shane Morris SO year. Hoke isn't Rich Rod, and this is Michigan for god's sake. We aren't scared to play anyone. 

I love it.

Mattison is a great D-Coordinator who has a month to prepare. Our O shouldn't have a huge problem moving the ball unless  we get in our own way (Borges). I actually love our chances against anyone in the country save Oregon  and Alabama. Notre Dame is going to the NC thanks for our six turnovers. Then we lose to an undefeated OSU team by 5.  We have a good team this year, and we can definately compete with A&M.

Our line HAS NOT been terrible...

How can you watch the game and say that with any honesty? The run blocking is NOT good. But, the pass blocking is EXCELLENT. Do you see how much time we consistently have to throw the football? If our O-line was terrible Devin would not be playing the way he's been playing minus a few bad passes along the way. The problem comes down to simple schematics. Our play calling is predictable, and that gives the DL a HUGE advantage in the run game. We zone-block most of the time which is the same thing we did with Rich Rod. It doesn't matter if we are in "I" or "spread" formations...we zone block, and we've been doing  it for over 10 years. The problem is our O-Line isn't designed for the power game, which is a huge part of Hoke and companies schemes. We don't pull well, we CERTAINLY don't trap well, and we don't drive block well. Pulling and trapping are a huge part of the power game because when the DL starts to get up field against the zone blocking scheme you can call a pull or a trap, leave a defeneder playside unblocked, and get an OL to the second level. We do not do that well. If you ever watch Stanford...they do it well, very well. Even when the defense knows it's coming. If you can execute your zone-runs, but you can't execute power plays with pulls and traps your run game suffers. But, to say our O-Line is TERRIBLE makes me feel like people don't know much about the team they are so "passionate" about. Our O-Line is mediocre with a strength and pass blocking. Which brings me back to play calling. Knowing this, and you decide to run a sub 200lb back on 3rd and one simply amazes me. Borges is NOT a good OC. He is way overrated, and it hurts me to say it, but if you watch the game it is the aboslute truth. 

This is a great post.

I don’t know why so any people are criticizing this post, and saying that it’s not a good time to post a question like this. This is a great question. My friends and I were actually wondering the same thing. I’m a 26 year old varsity coach and even at my age I know that shaking hands is a HUGE deal. It shows class, respect, and sportsmanship. It is a big deal. If you don’t shake hands not only does it appear that you have no class, but you also look like a baby who can’t handle defeat. With that being said Urban Meyer did the T.V. interview BEFORE he shook hands which is the move of some self-absorbed, arrogant prick. I’m also sure that Coach Hoke didn’t willfully blow Meyer off, and if he did shame on him. But, in my opinion I don’t think Coach Hoke would do that.  I’m also disturbed by the fact so many people can be so critical of others posting legit questions. Every time we lose it seems like half the people on here turn on each other.  We are a family, and we need to stick together. Being a Michigan man means winning and losing with class. We lost. We didn’t play well, we turned it over 4 times, Borges called a terrible game, and we didn’t deserve to win. This means that we need to get after it extra hard in the off season, and stick it to Ohio next year. They weren’t better than us, and they’re the worst 12-0 team I’ve ever seen.  But the truth hurts, and today we got OUTCOACHED and OUTPLAYED. Back to the drawing board, and get ready for bball season because the Capital One Bowl does nothing for me after losing ANOTHER big game against Ohio.  #Michiganforever #Hail 

I'm throwing my name in the HAT!

I am 26 years of age, I have been a LIFE LONG MICHIGAN fan, and I am a high school football coach…which makes my love of football (and Michigan football) even more fanatical. When I was a kid I used to cry when Michigan lost, and when I mean used too...I mean I still do. I have been to several Michigan games, but I have never seen THE game (Michigan vs. Ohio). If I am lucky enough to receive consideration for the tickets I will do the following. I will invite a very good friend of mine who lives in Columbus and is a HUGE Ohio fan as a small symbol of respect and sportsmanship to our rival. I would rather see the tickets go to someone who has never had the privilege of enjoying a MICHIGAN football game in person (Maybe a Michigan fan coming from a disadvantaged background), but if you plan on giving the tickets to an avid MGOBLOGGER, I would love to throw my name into the fray. No matter who you decide to give your tickets too I think that this gesture is very noble and kind.  

I'm throwing my name in the HAT!

I am 26 years of age, I have been a LIFE LONG MICHIGAN fan, and I am a high school football coach..which makes my love of football (and Michigan football) even more fanatical. When I was a kid I used to cry when Michigan lost, and when I mean used too...I mean I still do. I have been to several Michigan games, but I have never seen THE game (Michigan vs, Ohio). If I am lucky enough to receive consideration for the tickets I will do the following. I will invite a very good friend of mine who lives in Columbus and is a HUGE Ohio fan as a small symbol of respect and sportsmanship to our rival. I would rather see the tickets go to someone who has never had the privilege of enjoying a MICHIGAN football game in person ( Maybe a Michigan fan coming from a disadvantaged backround), but if you plan on giving the tickets to an avid MGOBLOGGER, I would love to throw my name into the fray. No matter who you decide to give your tickets too I think that this a noble and kind gesture.  

Interesting counter-arguement

If you're interested in this story...have a look at this article by a WSU beat writer. 

 

http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-cougars-football/2012/11/10/3629290/marqu…;

I was going...

I was going to post that link. It's a good article. Kind of tells the other side of the story. Lot's of people jump to conclusions when something like this comes out. 

Unsung Hero...

 

The unsung hero...
I know we are all super pumped about that victory. Some will call it luck, I call it...fate and karma   (karma for Pat Fitzgerald celebrating like a first year J.V. coach/H.S. girl on that 15 yard penalty on 3rd and long). But, let us talk mechanics for a moment. On the 4th down play in over time we all saw Demens make the game winning tackle. However, we did not see why he was able to do this. The play was an inverted mid-line option (that's what I call it, there is a million technical names for it). The DE is the read (we were running either a 3-3-5, or 3-4, but depending on personnel they are more the less the same from an offensive perspective) and if he stays home the quarterback gives the ball, and the RB's landmark is between the guard and tackle opposite the read man. However, Demens made the tackle on the backside of the play....how/why? Jibreel Black was playing the Nose in an odd front. He spilt a double team on the front side of the play forcing the RB to cut back into an unblocked DE and backside MLB who flowed well to the ball. This is the ONLY reason that the play was stopped. The offense has numbers on the play side, and should easily be able to pick up a yard if the read-side players respect the QB option. Black was able to split a double team, penetrate, and totally blow up the play without making the tackle. Ladies and gentleman, where I come from we call that TEAM defense. I am a coach, and I wanted to point out as we do to our players that you can MAKE A PLAY, without making THE play. Unselfish football, hardwork, and team defense won us the game...and I wanted to give Jibreel his dues. Hell of a play baby, hail. (Let me note I don't have the play in slow-mo, and it's not on youtube yet so my guess of Northwesterns play design is an inference at this point.) 
Actually...

The Veer can be run out of gun, it's not just a split back thing (although thats most common, espcially in HS). You can run veer out of I, Gun, even single back with WR motion. But, you are correct in the sense that our option isn't a veer. Our version of the spread option isn't a veer at all, in fact. A veer is 3 frontside reads (Normally 3 tech in an even front, DE, OLB). We use MLB,  backside DE reads, and 1 tech reads...which aren't truely veer plays (not even inverted). If anything our version resembles more of an inverted mideline option (in the mideline 1 techs get read, and the MLB could be considered a second level 1 tech, as well). So, if you want to compare our option to anything it would be mideline option, which isn't veer. The orginial triple option is the mideline option run out of wishbone/double wing (Georgia Tech, Navy) and you're only reading 2 players really. In the veer there is 3 reads, our option is innovative in the sense that we read 2nd level defenders too, as opposed to just first level defenders. I don't mean to be a technical Tom, but I'm a football coach and it annoys me, lol. I love the spread option, and if you really are bored Youtube Oregons guru his name is fish something (just type fish oregon into the search bar), and he complains about people calling their option an inverted veer too. It will give you some insight into Borges thought process. I guess I understand it a little more now (I know we all complain about it). Obviously, our S.O. is different than theirs, but you  get a much better sense of how exactly it works, and coaches mindsets. It's good for any of you hardcore technical fans out there, like myself. I agree that Devin doesn't get enough reps at QB in practice (spending the majority of the season at WR) to run the S.O. It takes timing and a million reps in practice to get it right. I thought Borges had some nice plays (like roll out double lead out of I) to get Devin going in the run game a little. Plus, Devin is better than Denard at knowing when to take 3-4 yards when he's in gun and the pass isn't there, rather than just throwing the ball up and yelling "500" in his head. But, I still love Denard though. 

I'm excited!

Coach B has done an excellent job recruiting, coaching, and developing our basketball program. We really picked a winner when he was selected to bring Michigan basketball back to greatness. Hat's off to coach B, and the new additions to our team. With that being said we have to be cautiously optimistic. We played Northern Michigan tonight. That means there was no pressure, inferior competition, and inferior coaching. We shouldn't declare ourselves B10 champions quite yet. I'm as excited as everyone else, but we need to beat some D1 competition before we set expectations for this year. With the talent we have returning, the coaching, and the new addtions to our team we SHOULD compete for a B10 title, and possibly a deep run in the big dance. But, I also think on this board we tend to get impatient sometimes. We need to remember some of our new guys will probably go through some growing pains as the season progresses. And we need to be as supportive as possible, and set a great atmosphere. I think its important for us as fans to encourage a positive playing atmosphere for our players. With that being said HAIL, GO BLUE, and I'm excited for the season! 

@boogereater2

Worst Oline you've ever seen? Do you even watch the game? The pass protection in the first half was excellent. Denard had ALL day to throw the ball. The problem was Nebraska KNEW Bellomy had nothing, and they were bringing the house. Borges play calling didn't help much. It had nothing to do with the Oline. If Denard can't go Devin needs to start getting reps in practice at QB bottom line. Bellomy is not a division 1 capable QB at this point bottom line. But, lets not give up hope. Nebraska will not win out, and we still have a chance at a Big 10 title game bid. 

I screwed up on my typing.

@boogereater2 I screwed up on my typing. You posted an idiotic thread that will be deleted. The game isn't even over yet. How about you grow up? You couldn't couldn't be an offensive coordinator at a D1 program. $5 says you're a freshman. 

Delete.

You're an idiot. I'm not happy with the play calling either, but this was unecssary

Beat little brother!

Gentleman, today we shall be vindicated from years of fraustration. Hail! Go Blue!

Option..

I like the option idea, but it's too late now. The tripe option as AF, Navy, or GT run it requires timing and practice and isn't something you can run with any positive effect after only a few hours of practice. It also requires a completely different blocking scheme and techniques. Now if we were to run it out of a spread with more spread option principles...I love it. This is something that wouldn't take a great deal to scheme since our guys already know it, and would be very effective with our current players. 

Prayers from Mid-Michigan

As a coach you never want to see this happen to one of your players, or an opposing player. That's one of the reasons we always tell our players to respect their opponents. We are all brothers in the game we all love. Thoughts and prayers. 

Response to the question about the Triple Option

I'm a young HS football coach. And I can tell you this. The read-based option is completely different than the triple option. The read-option is much simplier. And based on veer-concepts. The tripe is much more complicated with completely different reads. The only real similarty is that they are both option-based plays. But, that is where the similarity ends. The blocking schemes, reads, points of attack, strategy, and concepts are all different. Besides the fact they are both option offenses its like apples an oranges. It would be like comparing Mike Leach's spread to Urban Meyers spread. The only similiarity between the two is that they are both spread offenses. If you tried to put a triple-option in like 3-4 weeks before a game, and you had never ran it before...it would be an unmitagated disaster even with Denard at QB. But, that isn't to say Denard could not flourish in that type of offense. It's just to say that it's not feasible to just "throw it in" like just some kind of package. Teaching it to get your team ready to execute it properly takes a very long time. However, it does make it vert difficult during the season. I coach at Freeland H.S. a very succesful division 5 (there are 8 classifications in MHSAA) team. And the opening week we play Clare who is another very succesful small-medium size school team. They run the veer and we spend all summer trying to prepare for it. It is very difficult to stop. So I do like that idea. It's just too late. P.S. if anyone likes smaller school football and is around the Clare area August 24...Come check it out. Its always a great game. Fun atmosphere. Nothing like Friday night lights. 

Everyone...

Everyone has an opinion on this, it seems. But in the end it is up to Coach Hoke to make a decision, and Coach Hoke has shown himself to be a class act and a true Michigan Man. So I know he will make the right decision and we should all support whatever decision that is.

It's almost sad.

I read almost all those post's, and the sad part is they all lacked hope. When Michigan had its three down years...at least we all knew one day we would return to glory. I can't speak for all of you, but I feel like most of us still had hope. These people have no hope. They're defeated. Sucks to be an ND fan I guess. All I can say to them is....HAIL!

^what?

Are you kidding me? I actually thought the song/video was really good. Don't be a dick.

Anyone notice...

The Presidents bow tie? I LOL'd at that. 

WowX2

The look on Skips face says it all! He was right, Skip and Steven A. HAVE NO SUBSTANCE in anything they say! It's like whenever Glenn Beck talks. Its amazing the amount of words to substance they can spew. So many words with so little substance. I hate to throw in the Glenn Back anaolgy, but it's true. Good on you...Mark Cuban. 

Really?

You don't like Abdelkader? Whys that? Anyways I'm glad we got something for Brad I was never a huge fan. And you're right he did directly contribute to both of the Pens goals in 2009! 

I feel

I feel like sometimes coaches get caught up in the momentum swing themselves. As a coach I know I do. And I think sometimes this influences coaches to go for the "kill shot." However, I believe sometimes going for the "kill shot" is more risk than reward. It's not a high percentage play and can result in a T.O. giving the opponent the ball right back. It wastes a down if it doesn't work. I think sometimes the most prudent move after a T.O. is to go to your base plays. The plays in your offense that get you yards and first downs. If you get a T.O. and then go on a long drive and score I think this has an even more demoralizing effect on the opposing team than a "kill shot" play. That may be a considered a little conservative in this day and age, and I like agressive football but I believe there is times coaches are over agressive. And I think at a time when you just get a T.O. and you have the momentum and things going your way... going for a "kill shot" can be over agressive. 

Elite recruiting

Hoke is recruiting on an unpecedented level. We have always been a good recruiting school. However, if you go back and look at the classes from 2000 on up we were never really top 5 elite. And obviously toward the end of Carrs career we still recruited elite in the Big 10, but not consistently top 5 nationally. I fancy myself a fanatic but also realistic M fan. And I have to say I think Brady Hoke has a chance to make himself one of the legends of M football coaches. Obviously, it's only his second season but he is setting himself up to have elite teams talent wise over the next few years. 

Good diary

1. As a coach I can say "The Essential Smart Football" is a great book if you are a serious football fan in general. 

2. Saban is unique in the sense he is one of the few college coaches who implements a pro-style defensive strategy in college football. Although this is mostly due to the fact he has the talent to do so. 

3. I have a question. You say he favors a cover 1 robber scheme. I am familiar with this. However you then state he likes to use zone coverage in the secondary. Cover 1 is a man to man scheme with the FS being the one deep, and one of the LB's being the "robber" playing a hook curl or spy zone underneath. So I guess it's kind of a contradictory statement. Although, in a 3-4  normally cover 1 is the most common non-blitz man to man coverage, and basically most of the other defensive coverages used are zone because of alignment issues. 

Really good job.

I think you did a great job! And I agree with the post above...don't use Greg in any future videos lmao. 

Obviously...

I'm a huge NCAA fan, but obviously the player ratings are completely skewed. The teams with large fan bases and national followings players are always rated higher. Take ND. Their ratings are completely ridiculous. But they have a huge fan base and from a marketing stand point it makes sense. The same can be said for Michigan in past years. During the RR years we were overrated across the board several times. I think this year in some positions we are underrated. Especially Frank Clark. But like I said its all about marketing. You're going to make the national brand teams as good as you reasonably can to try and sell more games it's as simple as that. I played the demo and the game play is much improved. And so are th grapics as always. I CANT WAIT to be standing in line at midnight to buy it!