Ye Olde Christmas Eve Document Dump: TPD releases 300 police reports involving FSU players

Submitted by Jon06 on

I don't see this on the board, but http://www.talgov.com/tpd/news/4526.aspx.

Aside from the astonishing fact that they produced 300 police reports after an inquiry about 360 FSU athletes' names, the Tallahassee PD highlighted two particular cases, the first of which I preface with Trigger Warning: sexual violence.

So, while compiling the case files in response to a request from ESPN, TPD discovered they'd never tested evidence in the case of an alleged brutal rape involving then-FSU player Demonte McAllister, who I think is @dmtm97 on Twitter, where his tagline reads "Boys do what they wanna do". It may be worth noting that the victim's story changed with respect to where she was when they met. It may also be worth noting that Mcallister presented a series of three completely different stories in quick succession during his interrogation. They've now tested the 3-year-old evidence and reclosed the case without filing charges. You can read the police reports at the link if you want. I warn you that they may be quite upsetting for several different reasons.

In the other case they highlight, current FSU RB Dalvin Cook is somehow involved in an open aggravated assault case.

The 300 police reports include all reports where the athletes were named as victims or witnesses or whatever, so not all of the 300 will turn out to be cases of even alleged criminal activity.

In the spirit of the season, let's keep any political or combative comments to a minimum.

UPDATE:

To focus discussion slightly, here are some questions I have:

Should we expect 300 police reports to mean there are 300 distinct cases? Or will some cases have several reports associated with them?

How many of the 300 are cases of alleged criminal activity by FSU players? (Somebody already brought this up below.)

How many current FSU players are alleged to have committed crimes? (We already know about at least one QB, one FB, and one RB.)

What do you think will happen next? How will FSU respond, if at all?

(Sorry for giving you this moderating chore on Christmas, mods. But, um, merry Christmas?)

Jinxed

December 25th, 2014 at 6:33 AM ^

The logical acrobatics on display in some of these threads is astounding. How can you accuse a police department of coddling players while having 300 reports on record? Doublethink anyone? 

Let me get this straight. Some of you think the police department down there in Tallahassee are a bunch of fans unwilling to investigate football players, yet instead of simply dismissing complaints on the spot and never having it on record, they decide to file 300 separate reports so that everyone can see how thugish the players are. Right... So, completely malicious and completely stupid at the same time. Is everyone outside Ann Arbor a cartoon villain? 

Gulogulo37

December 25th, 2014 at 9:03 AM ^

I think it's pretty well established the police didn't do their job in the Winston case. What do reports matter if there aren't trials and convictions? I have no idea if this is truly a big deal, but to say the police have been found free of bias because police reports exists is an absurd statement.

What do politicians do when they want to make it look like they're doing something? Make a committee and issue some report that does nothing in terms of legislation.

Maizenblueball

December 25th, 2014 at 2:37 AM ^

I'm not putting this all on the coach, but I will say that when I think of the name Jimbo, I don't immediately associate that name with strict discipline.  To the Jimbos, Jim-Bobs, and Ricky-Bobbies of the world, laws are mostly 'suggestions'. 

MichiganMan14

December 25th, 2014 at 3:34 AM ^

Preston Parker. ...Greg Reid...Nigel Carr were all kicked off the team in subsequent seasons. They were all Jimbo's favorites and close with the Fisher family. All were removed from the program. Greg for drug tests. Preston for failed drug test and DUI and Nigel for theft if I recall. Brady played Gibbons through a rape allegation and let Frank back on the team after a serious offense. Was Brady the beakon of discipline or are we doing that thing where we blindly judge a man when it's en vogue. That's what cowards do. Michigan Men aren't cowards...at least not the ones that I grew up idolizing. Stop being sheep. This is a witch hunt and FSU is no dirtier a program than any other major program. They just happen to be 39-2 in the past 3 years and not in the favor of the Nazi ESPN regime.

MGoBrewMom

December 25th, 2014 at 8:38 AM ^

I totally agree that ESPN likes to color things with their own agenda tinted crayons, but I cannot get the way that entire community "managed" the JW rape allegation out of my head. The press conference early on with the officials yuckin it up doesn't help either. It feels different there. Call it being sheep, but Jimbo and FSU can change public perception by acting like accountability matters.

Jinxed

December 25th, 2014 at 5:46 AM ^

That's pretty normal for our fanbase. We act like every other fanbase/university in the US is running some machiavellian plot to cheat/cover up/be generally bad human beings while our own institution is the pinnacle of morality and righteousness. 

 

HarbaughToMichigan

December 25th, 2014 at 6:50 AM ^

Clark and York's attacks are two of the more brutal I can remember as of late.  There was that OSU RB in the nighclub who punched the girl, but those two were bad.  Thankfully they were dealt with, but I see where you are coming from.  Especially since Clark already had a felony charge against him.  The Michigan fanbase would be screaming bloody murder if he was on OSU or MSU.

Pinto1987

December 25th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

It looks like the 300 FSU reports were spread over at least 3 years.  Given that 360 names were searched, and given that they were all football players (and I don't know that they were), it could spread over as many as 10-14 years.

At 3 years, that's 100 reports per year where someone was MENTIONED in a report - as a potential perp, or as a witness, etc.  At 10 years, that's only 30 reports per year, etc.

If you told me that a Michigan football player was mentioned up to 30 times per year in an A2 police report, I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't necessarily think something is horribly wrong.

I think the TPD reports need a lot of parsing before we reach any conclusions here.

 

 

MichiganMan14

December 25th, 2014 at 2:44 AM ^

My name is on the list also because my car was broken into. Why not investigate every college? ESPN needs the sheep to think FSU is bad. Here is a cheat sheet for you....Jameis never raped anyone and the girl lied in an attempt to get paid. The entire subsequent year of bad press was a ploy to derail Jameis and FSU because FSU is running college football at the moment. 39-2 in 3 years. 39-2. Jimbo came under attack because he didn't blindly suspend his star QB who happens to be an Academic All American. What FSU players have been arrested recently? None of what has been reported can be substantiated. It's all for the clicks and the add space and ESPN knows the sheep will eat it up. I'm suprised that with all the black eyes that Michigan has suffereD that people are so quick to judge off of a bogus ESPN report. Brendan Gibbons. ...Taylor Lewan...Csonte York....Frank Clark...does this mean Michigan is thug U? I can't name any FSU players that have been arrested in the past 3 years. You have a stolen scooter, a woman with bruises on her arms that dropped charges, crab legs that were a "hook up"from a clerk that was subsequently fired the next day and a girl who lied about a consensual sexual encounter to grab a payday. The fact that people still call Jameis a rapist is utterly Un-American. He's been proven not guilty 3 times over. People need to snap out of drone Sheep Mode and stop gobbling up this trash from ESPN and the NY times. Especially if they are in a glass house. Just looks vindictive and foolish. This is a witch hunt plain in simple. FSU threatens the SEC...ESPN's cash cow...and they can't stand it.

KRK

December 25th, 2014 at 4:52 AM ^

Also, the glass houses thing only works for those who have committed the crime. If the poster was against sexual assault of all forms, including Gibbons allegations you can't say it's their fault the university did nothing. I can say I don't approve of Winston's behavior because I've never gone rogue with a pellet gun, stolen crab legs or shouted obscenities in public. Just because someone I root for does those things does not mean I'm ineligible from having a negative opinion about another person who does them as well.




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Gameboy

December 25th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^

Let's make one thing clear.

Jameis has not been found innocent. He has not been charged because there is lack of evidence. There is lack of evidence because the police failed to do even the most basic investigation until a year passed after the incident.

Just because someone cannot be charged does not mean that that person is innocent.

Yeoman

December 25th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^

That's why he's not spending the next 20 years in prison.

The constitution protects you from the violence of the state's legal system. It doesn't protect you from public opinion--to the extent it speaks to that at all, it protects the public's right to its opinions.

Jack Hammer

December 25th, 2014 at 4:04 AM ^

 

 

 

 

 

 

HarbaughToMichigan

December 25th, 2014 at 6:55 AM ^

This "story" has been pushed by the media until it is "true".  Does anyone here even know that UF's QB, Treon Harris, had the same accusation levelled against him earlier this year?  He was back on the field within DAYS.  Not a peep from the national media.

Hell, Winston's accuser's attorney has even been admonished by the President of the Florida Bar (no small feat): http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/12/florida_bar_president_commen… This story was bullshit from the beginning, but the media couldn't resist slandering and journalistically lynching a black man accused by a white woman. Granted, he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has also been labelled a rapist with zero credible evidence against him other than an accusation with an ever-changing narrative and wildly different facts.








 

HarbaughToMichigan

December 25th, 2014 at 5:02 AM ^

http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/ Do tell, what exactly could Winston do to clear his name with some of you? Is it absolutely impossible? Honest question. The link above comes with citations to the numerous falsities in the accuser's story(ies) and is a pretty interesting read.




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KRK

December 25th, 2014 at 4:46 AM ^

Did you go to Michigan as well? You mentioned playing at FSU and knowing the players but your profile name implies UM ties. I'm not accusing just curious about your ties and background since you're defending this so much I think it would help your case if people knew you're connections and background.




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Badkitty

December 25th, 2014 at 7:02 AM ^

tl;dr


My advice to you: Send a FOIA request to the Tuscaloosa PD. Compare number of reports about Alabama players vs FSU. Send it to ESPN as a rebuttal. Or you can earn a couple of billion dollars and buy enough voting shares in Disney so you can change ESPN's editorial stance. Either way is fine by me.




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HarbaughToMichigan

December 25th, 2014 at 7:25 AM ^

Why Tusaloosa?  Honestly.  Seems to me that Michigan players have made (probably) the most national headlines for crimes in the past twelve months.  Maybe I'm just paying more attention or it may have just been a bad year, but at the bear minimum, I don't think our fanbase should be naming other teams as nefarious characters and PDs as criminally complicit when we too live in a very glass house.

HarbaughToMichigan

December 25th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^

No one is EVER PROVEN NOT GUILTY.  You can't be PROVEN not guilty.  Christ.  An accused is simply found, not guilty.  Or in this case, that there isn't even enough evidence to bring charges.  Likely because the accuser first said she was hit on the head (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/TPD-Call…), then she was black out drunk (see toxicology report of BAC .04-.09), then her attacker was what, 5'10 with dreads?  Well then she knew her attacker but was too scared to stop it?

Or botched when the accuser broke off contact (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Suspende…)? Or was it that the physical evidence was limited to scrapes on her knees/top of foot (how does that happen.... hmmm) and light swelling in the pubic area (again, likely common with sex of any kind and more likely when the accused had slept with another man very recently prior to her accusation)? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Investig…

And by destroyed evidence do you mean the deleted cell records (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/TimeStam…) and twitter hastags (#cleatchaser)?  

Yes, the TPD was slow in investigating when, a month later, the accuser then "remembered" said that it was actually Winston who had raped her.  Why didn't she just look at her phone to see the text he had sent her that night? (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Kessler…)

Remember, this is pre-playing time Winston.  If the TPD was "protecting" him, they'd be protecting baseball player Winston, not football player Winston.  But that doesn't fit the narrative.  

 

Honest request: state the evidence that indicates Winston may be guilty.  Go.