Ye Olde Christmas Eve Document Dump: TPD releases 300 police reports involving FSU players
I don't see this on the board, but http://www.talgov.com/tpd/news/4526.aspx.
Aside from the astonishing fact that they produced 300 police reports after an inquiry about 360 FSU athletes' names, the Tallahassee PD highlighted two particular cases, the first of which I preface with Trigger Warning: sexual violence.
So, while compiling the case files in response to a request from ESPN, TPD discovered they'd never tested evidence in the case of an alleged brutal rape involving then-FSU player Demonte McAllister, who I think is @dmtm97 on Twitter, where his tagline reads "Boys do what they wanna do". It may be worth noting that the victim's story changed with respect to where she was when they met. It may also be worth noting that Mcallister presented a series of three completely different stories in quick succession during his interrogation. They've now tested the 3-year-old evidence and reclosed the case without filing charges. You can read the police reports at the link if you want. I warn you that they may be quite upsetting for several different reasons.
In the other case they highlight, current FSU RB Dalvin Cook is somehow involved in an open aggravated assault case.
The 300 police reports include all reports where the athletes were named as victims or witnesses or whatever, so not all of the 300 will turn out to be cases of even alleged criminal activity.
In the spirit of the season, let's keep any political or combative comments to a minimum.
UPDATE:
To focus discussion slightly, here are some questions I have:
Should we expect 300 police reports to mean there are 300 distinct cases? Or will some cases have several reports associated with them?
How many of the 300 are cases of alleged criminal activity by FSU players? (Somebody already brought this up below.)
How many current FSU players are alleged to have committed crimes? (We already know about at least one QB, one FB, and one RB.)
What do you think will happen next? How will FSU respond, if at all?
(Sorry for giving you this moderating chore on Christmas, mods. But, um, merry Christmas?)
December 25th, 2014 at 2:15 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 2:29 AM ^
So did the FSU Police department get a part of Jimbo's extension money?
December 25th, 2014 at 6:33 AM ^
The logical acrobatics on display in some of these threads is astounding. How can you accuse a police department of coddling players while having 300 reports on record? Doublethink anyone?
Let me get this straight. Some of you think the police department down there in Tallahassee are a bunch of fans unwilling to investigate football players, yet instead of simply dismissing complaints on the spot and never having it on record, they decide to file 300 separate reports so that everyone can see how thugish the players are. Right... So, completely malicious and completely stupid at the same time. Is everyone outside Ann Arbor a cartoon villain?
December 25th, 2014 at 9:03 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 2:32 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 2:37 AM ^
I'm not putting this all on the coach, but I will say that when I think of the name Jimbo, I don't immediately associate that name with strict discipline. To the Jimbos, Jim-Bobs, and Ricky-Bobbies of the world, laws are mostly 'suggestions'.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:34 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 8:38 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 9:13 AM ^
I hate ESPN for a lot of reasons, but...I'm pretty sure they're not run by Nazis.
December 25th, 2014 at 4:17 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 5:46 AM ^
That's pretty normal for our fanbase. We act like every other fanbase/university in the US is running some machiavellian plot to cheat/cover up/be generally bad human beings while our own institution is the pinnacle of morality and righteousness.
December 25th, 2014 at 6:50 AM ^
Clark and York's attacks are two of the more brutal I can remember as of late. There was that OSU RB in the nighclub who punched the girl, but those two were bad. Thankfully they were dealt with, but I see where you are coming from. Especially since Clark already had a felony charge against him. The Michigan fanbase would be screaming bloody murder if he was on OSU or MSU.
December 25th, 2014 at 8:47 AM ^
I recall 4 of 5 incidents since Hoke has been here. You will not find hundreds of police reports on Michigan players
December 25th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
It looks like the 300 FSU reports were spread over at least 3 years. Given that 360 names were searched, and given that they were all football players (and I don't know that they were), it could spread over as many as 10-14 years.
At 3 years, that's 100 reports per year where someone was MENTIONED in a report - as a potential perp, or as a witness, etc. At 10 years, that's only 30 reports per year, etc.
If you told me that a Michigan football player was mentioned up to 30 times per year in an A2 police report, I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't necessarily think something is horribly wrong.
I think the TPD reports need a lot of parsing before we reach any conclusions here.
December 25th, 2014 at 2:40 AM ^
Seriously? It's Christmas.
December 25th, 2014 at 2:50 AM ^
As you know, I didn't decide when to release the documents.
December 25th, 2014 at 4:23 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 2:44 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 2:56 AM ^
You're welcome to click it some time and read what's there.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:08 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 3:14 AM ^
who reported all of the problems with the UF football team?
and how do you know they havent requested this at all major programs, and this was such an outstanding number of cases that it was worth reporting. 300 is A LOT of police reports, victims or not.
December 25th, 2014 at 8:51 AM ^
- They are a top 5 team
- With a supestar QB with known legal issues
- In a program that's been very publically questioned for their discipline both in house and by the local police force
Like it or not, FSU earned their reputation. Blood's in the water
December 25th, 2014 at 3:10 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 3:24 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 4:52 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
Let's make one thing clear.
Jameis has not been found innocent. He has not been charged because there is lack of evidence. There is lack of evidence because the police failed to do even the most basic investigation until a year passed after the incident.
Just because someone cannot be charged does not mean that that person is innocent.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
That's why he's not spending the next 20 years in prison.
The constitution protects you from the violence of the state's legal system. It doesn't protect you from public opinion--to the extent it speaks to that at all, it protects the public's right to its opinions.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:20 AM ^
On every thread about FSU you've been involved in on this board, you ignore everything about any of these cases to blindly defend Jameis Winston. Please, go fuck yourself.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:22 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 4:06 AM ^
And you are kind of a moron.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:26 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 3:31 AM ^
ESPN gave Jameis Winston the Heisman, he's their golden child. If you think reporting the news is character assassination you're more nieve than I thought.
December 25th, 2014 at 3:46 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 4:04 AM ^
Today I walked by some big guy who kept saying "fuck her right in the pussy" turns out it was Jameis Winston. #lol#gonoles
— Alexis (@alexisgarciaaaa) September 16, 2014
Lmaoo Jameis Winston standing on a table in the middle of campus and screaming fuck her right in the pussy >>>#gonoles
— randy (@shake_yo_booDEE) September 16, 2014
in other news, I just saw Jameis Winston standing on random shit screaming "fuck her right in the pussy"
— ya gurl homes (@ayeejohnnyyy) September 16, 2014
Well I had my first Jameis Winston sighting on campus & he got on top of a table in the union and yelled "fuck her right in the pussy"
— Jacqueline Colvett (@jackiecolvett) September 16, 2014
Jameis Winston just casually screamed infront of HCB "Fuck her right in the pussy" .... #epic
— Jeffrey Osborne (@JeffreyOsborne1) September 16, 2014
If you're wondering how my day is going so far, Jameis Winston just jumped on a table in the union and yelled "fuck her right in the pussy"
— Katelyn Boyd (@katelyngail) September 16, 2014
Let's appreciate the fact that @Jaboowins just yelled "fuck her right in the pussy" outside HCB @fsuprobz
— Lauren Montagne (@lulumontag) September 16, 2014
December 25th, 2014 at 4:14 AM ^
How old are you? You know that is a popular internet meme right?
Here lemme help you out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1DsOA-1pM
Should Jameis have screamed that during a rape investigation? Lol no he's an idiot for that.
But to think he's some treacherous being for it is just silly.
December 25th, 2014 at 4:24 AM ^
I'm 43. Thanks for asking. Yes, I'm aware of the meme. Point being this is hardly the behavior of a "ESPN dream 30for30."
Seven incedences in 2 years, including alleged rape, make him nothing more than a great QB who desperately needs guidance.
December 25th, 2014 at 4:15 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^
Being a great athlete and football player does not make him a great human being.
You seem to be quite emotional about defending Jameis vigurously. I wonder about that.
December 25th, 2014 at 6:55 AM ^
This "story" has been pushed by the media until it is "true". Does anyone here even know that UF's QB, Treon Harris, had the same accusation levelled against him earlier this year? He was back on the field within DAYS. Not a peep from the national media.
Hell, Winston's accuser's attorney has even been admonished by the President of the Florida Bar (no small feat): http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/12/florida_bar_president_commen… This story was bullshit from the beginning, but the media couldn't resist slandering and journalistically lynching a black man accused by a white woman. Granted, he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has also been labelled a rapist with zero credible evidence against him other than an accusation with an ever-changing narrative and wildly different facts.
December 25th, 2014 at 5:02 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^
Where there's smoke there's fire. As many issues as he has had in a mere 2 years I question his character.
December 25th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^
You are just as annoying as I imagine Skip Bayless being if he actually posted here
December 25th, 2014 at 4:46 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:02 AM ^
My advice to you: Send a FOIA request to the Tuscaloosa PD. Compare number of reports about Alabama players vs FSU. Send it to ESPN as a rebuttal. Or you can earn a couple of billion dollars and buy enough voting shares in Disney so you can change ESPN's editorial stance. Either way is fine by me.
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:25 AM ^
Why Tusaloosa? Honestly. Seems to me that Michigan players have made (probably) the most national headlines for crimes in the past twelve months. Maybe I'm just paying more attention or it may have just been a bad year, but at the bear minimum, I don't think our fanbase should be naming other teams as nefarious characters and PDs as criminally complicit when we too live in a very glass house.
December 25th, 2014 at 7:59 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 9:06 AM ^
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:31 AM ^
December 25th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^
No one is EVER PROVEN NOT GUILTY. You can't be PROVEN not guilty. Christ. An accused is simply found, not guilty. Or in this case, that there isn't even enough evidence to bring charges. Likely because the accuser first said she was hit on the head (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/TPD-Call…), then she was black out drunk (see toxicology report of BAC .04-.09), then her attacker was what, 5'10 with dreads? Well then she knew her attacker but was too scared to stop it?
Or botched when the accuser broke off contact (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Suspende…)? Or was it that the physical evidence was limited to scrapes on her knees/top of foot (how does that happen.... hmmm) and light swelling in the pubic area (again, likely common with sex of any kind and more likely when the accused had slept with another man very recently prior to her accusation)? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Investig…
And by destroyed evidence do you mean the deleted cell records (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/TimeStam…) and twitter hastags (#cleatchaser)?
Yes, the TPD was slow in investigating when, a month later, the accuser then "remembered" said that it was actually Winston who had raped her. Why didn't she just look at her phone to see the text he had sent her that night? (http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/270/files/2014/12/Kessler…)
Remember, this is pre-playing time Winston. If the TPD was "protecting" him, they'd be protecting baseball player Winston, not football player Winston. But that doesn't fit the narrative.
Honest request: state the evidence that indicates Winston may be guilty. Go.