why this 5 - 0 is different to me
We're 5-0 again , but it feels different. Last few years the offense clearly carried the team through multiple shootouts and close games. The difference this year has been the play of the Michigan defense. I'm excited , the Michigan defense has given up a total of 10 points the last 3 games. The have only given up 51 all season , a 20 point improvement over last year at this point. While the level of competition has been simular the last 2 years, Michigan has done a spectacular job of forcing turnovers.
I still get a knot in my stomache when the field goal unit comes out,but gibbons has done a LOt better of a job this year on field goals. it's funny that most of the pre season polls had us losing to minnesota , I wonder how this will change the predictions for the rest of the season.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:47 PM ^
agreed. Last year at this time, we were having shootouts with UMass and Indiana.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
Not to take anything away from our win, but this Minnesota team may be the worst team we've seen the past 10 years.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
indeed, this Minnesota team vs Delware State '09 would be one heck of an awful football game.
October 2nd, 2011 at 5:44 AM ^
I can see the excuses keep piling up as the season goes on. Northwestern's Persa was not 100%, MSU's Offensive line wasn't up to par, Purdue has lots of injuries, Iowa has a new QB this year, Illinois turns out to be Illinois, Nebraska has been shell shocked in the BIG, and Ohio is transitioning. There will still be the naysayers even as the Wolverines continue their amazing run. Enjoy the win people, our defense just shut out a team in BIG Ten conference play!
October 1st, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
Minnesota in 2008 would like to have a word.
Also, Delaware St. and the 09 and 10 Indiana teams were embarassingly bad, our crummy defensive play just made the "Chappelbomb" look good.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:08 PM ^
I actually think Indiana would take this Minnesota team out to the woodshed.
But agreed with Delaware State. Maybe I should have said Minnesota was the worst FBS team we have played. Either way, this Minnesota team was just awful.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:37 PM ^
Minnesota 2008 is no where near as bad as Minnesota 2011. Minnesota went 7-6 in 2008 - not great, but better than this 2011 Minnesota team.
October 1st, 2011 at 5:14 PM ^
They also lost by multiple touchdowns at home to the worst UM team in history.
October 1st, 2011 at 5:56 PM ^
Did you watch Minnesota last week?
October 1st, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^
So your honest argument is that a 7-6 Minnesota team in 2008 was worse than this 2011 Minnesota team that is currently 1-4 and looking to go nowhere?
Would you be shocked to see this Minnesota team go 0-8 in the BigTen and finish 1-11? They have @Purdue then it is all downhill from there with Nebraska, Iowa, @MSU, Wisconsin, @Northwestern, Illinois.
This 2011 Minnesota team will be lucky to go 2-10.
How are they better than the 2008 Minnesota 7-6 team, and please don't base it off of a single game that the 2008 team played and ignoring the many losses that will most likely come for this 2011 Minnesota team.
October 1st, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^
2008 Minnesota went 4-0 against N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St. and Florida Atlantic. They won unconvincingly against IU, Illini, and Purdue. Not exactly impressive. This season isnt over, and Kill is a better coach than Brewster.
October 1st, 2011 at 9:56 PM ^
Stop digging yourself a hole.
You are officially arguing that going "4-0 against N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St. and Florida Atlantic" is worse than going 1-3 against North Dakota State, Miami of Ohio, USC, and New Mexico State.
Maybe Kill is a better coach than Brwester, but this 2011 Minnesota team that is currently 1-4 and could very well go 1-11 or 2-10 is no where near as good as a Minnesota team that went 7-6 in 2008.
I think it would be wise to admit you are wrong.
P.S. the 1 team that this 2011 Minnesota team has beaten is officially 0-4.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
The past few years though, this isn't a shutout.
That's a huge difference in a game - defense.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:12 PM ^
Last year, this game would have been 65 - 21.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:33 PM ^
Each week, you can see a few guys getting better and better, especially the young guys. This team recruited talented defensive players, they just did a piss poor job of coaching them once they got here. Coaching and teaching is a huge part of what we see now.
October 1st, 2011 at 5:34 PM ^
I'm assuming you meant if Coach Rod was still the HC? I don't know if Minnesota would score 21 on a GERG-led defense, they are quite poor this year. Minnesota may be the worst in the Big Ten this year.
That's neither here nor there, however; great job by the team today, both players and coaches. Coach Hoke looks like he has the team going in the right direction.
October 1st, 2011 at 8:34 PM ^
Last year's Bowling Green team was horrendous. They were a bad MAC team to begin with and played us with their backup QB.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:48 PM ^
We didn't shut anyone out in Rich Rod's entire era. That's the difference.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^
it's not just the shutout this week but holding EMU to 3 and Sandiego state to 7 that's a HUGE improvement over last year and the whole Richrod era. The defense is improving every week which did'nt happen last year. A very nice job by the players and coaches
October 1st, 2011 at 5:04 PM ^
Agree that we look better no matter who we are playing right now. As for how good, the next two weeks will give us the answer. Maybe our D is fairly good and all these other teams don't completely suck. The Gophers didn't look good, but they took USC to the wire at the Coliseum. SDSU was undefeated coming into that game.
October 1st, 2011 at 10:13 PM ^
Also, Western Michigan just beat UConn on the road today (and nearly won at Illinois last week). Alex Carder threw for 479 yards.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^
I think the fact that our Defense has improved EVERY week bodes very well for this team. I feel with the improvement of the offense I feel we can be a very dangerous team in the B1G!
Go Blue!
By the way, I am starting to get a bit of a man crush for Big Will and the "Count"!
October 1st, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^
The way Countess has played the last 2 weeks, I would expect him to become just as good as D Warren. Though, it is possible that he becomes even better than that as he develops... maybe we can let him wear #2 in a couple years...
October 1st, 2011 at 4:48 PM ^
Countess is a player, as are Gardner & Shaw.
Good to see Roh back in form.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:57 PM ^
My hope is that people here quit doggin' on Borges. Every week he's added a substantive wrinkle, a different look. The playcalling today was remarkably diverse AND balanced. Michigan finally had a RB break a hundred yards, too. Toussaint would've had about 130 if it weren't for the holding call that negated a 37 yard TD.
October 1st, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^
While it might be a while before he can settle a base bread and butter, after today I have infinite confidence in his ability to play a loki with a crazy bag of well called plays.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:58 PM ^
The shutout has me incredibly excited, and there's no denying that the defense is much improved. But I'm still of two minds about it. Consider:
-Last year we beat a BCS team in UConn (granted possibly the worst BCS team ever, second maybe to Pitt in 2004). It was a dominating performance, probably equivalent to the SDSU game this year.
-While we struggled with UMass, the Eastern game last year looked eerily similar to this year's edition. Instead of the D struggling it was the O.
-We beat a Western team with a hyped QB two years ago too
-The enigmatic Notre Dame
-Minnesota - Gray < Indiana + Chappell
I still think we're a much better team than last years...But I still don't think we've done enough to shake off the feeling of the last few years. I'm excited for B1G play, and for us to see what we're worth against a very good Persa-led Northwestern.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:08 PM ^
The adjustments at halftime , the tackling and the DB's being within a country mile of the other teams wideouts are enough to have me pumped.
I've been tough on Denard this year , but i'm not worried about the offense, mainly because i've seen what it can do in years past. Borges is a good offensive coach so I have faith they'll improve
October 1st, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
Last year we beat a BCS team in UConn (granted possibly the worst BCS team ever, second maybe to Pitt in 2004). It was a dominating performance, probably equivalent to the SDSU game this year.RR's teams arguably peaked in week one all three years. In 2008, we took a Utah team that would finish 12-0 down the wire. In 2009, we led WMU 31-0 at halftime. Then in 2010 we dominated UConn. Problem was, we seemed to regress thereafter.
October 1st, 2011 at 11:51 PM ^
I've seen it tossed around, and up until now, it really fit. Today it goes much closer to the trash heap. Why?
Because if, in fact, "-Minnesota - Gray < Indiana + Chappell", then the scores of those games must be considered.
M vs Ind - Barely Win
M vs Minn - DEATH STRIKES YOU DOWN WITH BUT A SINGLE CUT OF HIS MERCILESS BLADE.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
October 2nd, 2011 at 1:12 AM ^
No perfect red zone efficiency now :( Silly sportsmanship
October 1st, 2011 at 4:03 PM ^
Last year i felt week by week we were regressing and being exposed for our weakness..this year i feel we are getting better each week and seem to be clicking as a whole team
October 1st, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^
Every week seemed to get worse and more worrisome as the season went on. This team, while not great, seems to get better as time goes on.
October 2nd, 2011 at 1:25 AM ^
Agreed. Every game last year I thought 'thank God we barely won that game, but next week... ugh, I don't want to think about that". Felt like we were surviving on luck more than skill.
I know feel like this team is going to get better and better each damn week and could have the slight chance to run our remaining schedule, though we haven't been on the road yet which I think is our last big test to clearly pinpoint how good this team is. I feel like this team has some swagger, but also the desire to win and to fight for that win all game long. I saw multiple times last year where the players just stopped giving their best because they didn't have confidence in their team and themselves.
Hoke's a smart, lovable guy who I can't help but love, even if he coached for a different team. He's a great motivator and knows how to interact with others, his biggest strength in my opinion. He lets Mattison and Borges do what they want for the most part it seems. Mattison is going to create an incredible defense soon. Borges, I'm still iffy but today he really, really turned me around. There is not one shread of doubt that this staff is top-to-bottom, the best staff we could ask for (in reality at least).
October 1st, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^
FEENNNNNNNNSSSSE
And Gorgeous Al. I have no doubt these are the best coordinators we have ever had.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^
This 5-0 is different...
Because it's a new year. New coaching staff. Different personel everywhere. Can we please stop comparing past years?
October 1st, 2011 at 10:29 PM ^
Not really, based on the fact that it's almost the exact same personnel.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^
The major difference, to me, is that the Big Ten appears to be way worse this year. Iowa looks worse, Purdue lookd worse, Ohio State looks worse, Michigan State looks worse. Minnesota is somehow worse. Northwestern is probably worse since Persa isn't 100%. Illinois may be better but Liuget dominated that game last year, as much as a defensive player can in a game where both teams score 60+.
With how bad the rest of the league looks, besides Nebraska/Wisconsin, the expecations should be at least 10 wins at this point. Put the same team in last year's schedule, and expectations probably drop to 7-8 wins. This should be a great opportunity for Michigan and Hoke to build up a lot more goodwill in the event next year doesn't go as well with a much tougher schedule.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:30 PM ^
It seems like as a whole the B1G is significantly less dangerous this year. On the other hand, as bad as Minnesota is I don't think our defense last year would have shut them out
October 1st, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^
Agreed, the improved secondary play and actually having depth across the board on D has been pretty huge. Minnesota probably gets a first half FG against last year's team and a cheap TD against the backups in the 2nd half.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
This is different simply because we have a DC. In past seasons, Michigan put up enough points to win but the defensive side of the ball sucked. Granted, these are still RR's kids but with at least a competent DC, and with the D now being able to make a stop or two, Michigan is going to pick up a couple of Ws from that alone.
Loved the play calling today. Amazing. Tough football and the spread can coexist. Who would have thunk it?!
October 1st, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
....but as great as the playcalling was, and as well as we played, it seems to me that playing a Minnesota team that is less threatening than a baby seal with mono still leaves us with some tests to come. However, this 5-0 is different to me because I think we can compete and win games in the Big Ten we could not have last year, and it is because of some of the things we saw here once they opened the play book a bit.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:41 PM ^
What I see is improvement, particularly on the D, as the season progresses. This seemed to be lacking the last few years on the defensive side of the line. I look forward to huge gains on the D as Mattison continues to teach and gets the recruits he wants.
I'm still processing that we got several field goals. Eyes saw it, mind still won't accept it.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^
October 1st, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^
you're right not only did i fudge the math I completely left out a game
October 1st, 2011 at 4:54 PM ^
First time I can remember that Denard did not have to carry 75% of the offence. And he did NOT get beat up.
If we can carry this pattern forward, watch out Big 10!
October 1st, 2011 at 4:57 PM ^
Ann Arbor Pioneer HS should be added to the Big 10.
October 1st, 2011 at 5:24 PM ^
This season does feel different than the last 5-0 season. Defense is palpably better, kicking game is better, offense is effective and interesting more diverse.
Break the season down into three miniseasons:
Part 1: WMU, ND, EMU, SDSU - a bit of luck and sheer magic was involved in beating ND, but ND is arguably not that strong; our magic was stronger on that amazing night. WMU and EMU were outclassed. SDSU can play and would be competitive against the other teams in mini-season part 1. The defense still gave up a lot of yards, but with each game, it got tighter and more robust. It was also getting turnovers which were lacking over the last several seasons. The offense looked creaky and seemingly all the good stuff was from the same playbook of last year.
Part 2: incomplete, Minn, NW, MSU, Purdue - Minnesota is obviously not a strong team, but the complete domination suggests that the defense is really better, and the offense showed a lot of new looks, and plays AND the players executed them well. Did you notice that Kovacs wasn't a leading tackler in the Minn game? That is a strong positive sign.Last year, the team could beat other teams with a great offensive show, but DR would be 90% of that. Today, how many carries did he have? He passed well when he was asked to, but really didn't have to do that much - a really good sign. The defense made 3 and out stops regularly and pressured the QB without having to blitz. The next three games will decide the course of the season. Is the great upward trend on defense going to continue?
Part 3: to come, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, OSU - if the defense is in the middle of the pack in terms of scoring and rushing yards yielded, these are all competitive games.
Go Blue!
October 1st, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^
LOL what poll had us losing to MINN..