What if Ryan Mallet had stayed?

Submitted by mhwaldm on
(i dont want to give the impression that im pessimistic about the 2009 season, b/c im not. I know somone is gonna rip on me for dwelling on the past, but i just wanted to hear some thoughts.) If Mallet had stayed... -would he be able to run a spread offense? -how many games would we have won last season? -would he have lost his job in 2009 to a freshman? -would the lack of a running qb have hurt our progression to the new system in the long run? -would he have transferred after the 2009 season? -would threet or sheridan have seen the field last season?

exmtroj

February 17th, 2009 at 11:57 AM ^

Mallet had the speed of a Brontosaurus, so I'd say he wouldn't have been able to make the run Threet did at the end of the Wiscy game, but I think he would have avoided the pick 6 against Toledo and made the TD pass at the end of the NW game. If he split time with Threet or Sheridan, I'd say we would have been 4-8, maybe 5-7 at best, but that's a stretch.

jmblue

February 17th, 2009 at 5:03 PM ^

Pure conjecture. Before the season, absolutely no one predicted that Threet would show any running ability at all. In fact, a lot of people contended that he was less athletic than Mallett. Mallett showed decent mobility for his size and made some nice throws on the move. Certainly, he was wildly inconsistent, but he showed flashes of being capable to operate in a spread offense.

Magnus

February 17th, 2009 at 5:09 PM ^

Pure conjecture is saying he could have made any run Threet did, too. You: "This hypothetical thing would have happened." Me: "No, it wouldn't have." You: "That's pure conjecture!" Anyway, we SAW Mallett play. Then we SAW Threet play. Who was more athletic? (That's a rhetorical question.) Threet. Mallett was more athletic than most of us expected out of a 6'7", 250 lb. quarterback. But even if it was just because of Barwis' presence, Threet was faster and more elusive than Mallett.

WolvinLA

February 17th, 2009 at 7:01 PM ^

That's actually not true. A rhetorical question is not one everyone knows the answer to. It's a question used to make a point, instead of as a query. Asking "who is more athletic, Threet or Mallett?" and wanting a response is not rhetorical. Asking a question to make a point, as Magnus did above, regardless of whether you give an answer to your own question, is used in a rhetorical manner. Magnus was not wondering who we thought was more athletic, thus his question was rhetorical.

baorao

February 17th, 2009 at 12:00 PM ^

with Brodie. At best we were looking at a Purdue like offense and maybe in time growing into a Texas Tech like pass-heavy spread. But last year, given the O-line play, I still think 6 wins would have been a miracle.

JRC

February 17th, 2009 at 12:08 PM ^

Rodriguez ran a pass-happy spread at Tulane with Shaun King, so I assume the same would have happened. But yeah, 5-7 or maybe 6-6 if we were really lucky. Injuries would have still sucked, etc.

foreverbluemaize

February 17th, 2009 at 3:03 PM ^

I think the only time I ever saw Mallet fumble was when he was on the field. Against MSU he played for one play and in that play he fumbled. It was not during the snap it was well after it and we jsut lucked out that Hart happened to be there. Mallet fumbled anywhere and everywhere it was just that he fumbled most from under center.

Craven Morehead

February 17th, 2009 at 12:10 PM ^

this is like asking, "what if your mom had a penis? would she then be your dad?" Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Mallett was smart to get outta dodge because he probably would have been a one and done QB in RR's offense too. Let's face it, this is going to be another roller coaster season. UM will be VERY VERY LUCKY if Tate and the defense can successfully guide this team to a winning season.

Tater

February 17th, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^

I think 7-5 would have been reasonable last year with Mallett. He would have hit many but not all of the open recievers that Threet-idan missed. Most of all, with even a mediocre QB, they would never have lost to Toledo or any of the lower level teams. In retrospect, the Utah loss doesn't look nearly as bad as it did when it happened. So, it would have been better last year, but how would Mallett have handled the recruiting of Forcier and Robinson? He was a homesick momma's boy and he found a great excuse to go home. On one level, I think he is a baby. On another level, though, I will never fault a kid for listening to his parents. Even if his parents suck. At any rate, we are now fully into the RR era with no safety net. RR is further along at installing his full offense now that he has his kind of people on the field. It should be a great ride; hopefully, there won't be a lot of bumps this year.

chitownblue (not verified)

February 17th, 2009 at 12:24 PM ^

You've never heard of an "offensive line" before, have you? Or "worst defense in Michigan history"? Or watched Mallett complete fewer of his passes as a freshman than Threet did?

jmblue

February 17th, 2009 at 5:00 PM ^

Why so harsh? I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a sophomore Mallett, with a significant amount of game experience under his belt, would have played better than a RS frosh Threet and walk-on Sheridan. And he almost certainly would have won the starting job quickly (instead of having the competition extend into the season, as it did with Threet/Sheridan), allowing him to get more reps with the first team. Given that many of our losses were not decided until the fourth quarter, I think it's entirely possible that we could have been a .500 team with Mallett at QB. That doesn't mean I'm pining for the kid; by all accounts, he was a flake, to put it charitably. But he probably would have been a better QB than what we had.

chitownblue (not verified)

February 17th, 2009 at 5:02 PM ^

I'm not trying to say that Threet was neccesarily better - it IS reasonable to think Mallett would have been better. What's NOT reasonable is what this guy is doing - laying everything at the feet of Steven Threet. We had a miserable O-Line and a worse defense. Swapping QB's changes neither.

gsimmons85

February 17th, 2009 at 12:18 PM ^

unless he was benched after the first game... actually, i dont know if he would have won the starting job, sheridan didnt win it with his arm. He would have been sacked 20 times in the first two games. maybe had a million more ints... people forget he couldnt hit open recievers the year before either... He wasnt a very good QB, and would have been awefull with how bad the ol was at protection at the begining of the year... Any great throwing QB would have had a hard time with how bad our ol, and recievers were at the begining of the year..

FingerMustache

February 17th, 2009 at 12:24 PM ^

wow huss, take your own advice and keep you mouth shut. i just wasted 6 seconds of my life reading your worthless post, another 45 seconds typing up this response, and another 9 seconds figuring out how much time it took me to do both. thanks a lot. o yea and another thing...dont click if you dont like the topic

Elno Lewis

February 17th, 2009 at 12:30 PM ^

If Mallet would have stayed we would have been undefeated and won the NC. The economy would not have collapsed and John McCain would be our president. If Mallet would have stayed the basketball team would have won at least 50 games. If Mallet would have stayed they would have put a dome over the big house. If Mallet would have stayed, my sister wouldn't have become a nun. If Mallet would have stayed.... should be a country song.

foreverbluemaize

February 17th, 2009 at 3:21 PM ^

I realize this was posted as a hypothetical but let's go with it for a second. Mallet knew when he transferred to AR that Petrino had already taken the job. He knew that he would have to sit out for a year and he knew that he would have to learn to run the spread. Does anyone think that any of that is coincidence, NO IT AINT'. At either school he was going to have to learn the spread but this way he got an extra year to do so. I have buddies that live near UA and have attended some of the practices where he was throwing it around. They tell me that he looks really good. One guy even said that he was throwing it so hard that if the receiver was in the air when they caught it it was putiting them on the ground, just trying to hold on to it. UM would have run a very heavy pass offense and with enough laps up and down the stairs Mallet would have learned to hold on to the ball better. Mallet is slow (physically not mentally) and that would have hindered him some but I think that whatever kids RR got to come in this year would have redshirted behind Mallet and still had 3 years of eligibility remaining when Mallet graduated. The team would have had more time to learn the system and I don't think it is too much to think that we could have won 8 games. Not 9 by any means but maybe 8. The loss of Mallet hurt more than we may ever know. Expecially since he will definitley be a first or 2nd rounder at the latest.

Magnus

February 17th, 2009 at 4:32 PM ^

I'm going to go against the grain here. First of all, I don't mind this kind of post. It's interesting to think about, just like it's interesting to think about where we would be if we had pulled out Ronald Johnson, Taylor Mays, or Tim Tebow. Anyway, I think our passing game would have been significantly better. And I don't think our run game would have been affected very much. Mallett had a strong arm. He had significant game experience. His arm strength alone could have kept a safety out of the box, unlike Sheridan. Mallett's touch would have needed to improve, but was his touch that much worse than Threet's? I don't know. He still probably would have been inaccurate, but he'd have an extra year of experience over Threet. Threet wasn't a very big threat to run the ball, either. Mallett definitely wouldn't have made the 58-yard run against Wisconsin, but who's to say we would have been in that situation if we had a different QB? The run game would have undoubtedly been different. There probably would have been more I-formation plays, and I think there would have been more dives than options out of the shotgun. But Mallett could keep the ball on occasion, just to keep the defense honest. He actually moved pretty well for being 250. Best case scenario? Michigan could have won 6 games and been bowl eligible. Worst case scenario? 3-9. There's no way Mallett would have been worse than the Threet/Sheridan combo.

chitownblue (not verified)

February 17th, 2009 at 4:45 PM ^

When we talk about Threet's weaknesses - decision making and accuracy - they are identical to Mallett's weaknesses. Both frequently failed to see open receivers, and frequently struggled to get the ball to said receivers when they were there. Threet seemed more mobile (this is faint praise). Mallett completed fewer than 50% of his passes, so when people carp about Threet bein unable to hit wide-open receivers, I think it reasonable to point out that this isn't something Mallett was particularly adept at, either (that, or he coulnd't find them - the result is the same).

Magnus

February 17th, 2009 at 4:50 PM ^

...but I think Mallett's game experience from 2007 would have been a bit of a boost for him, even though it was in a different system. On top of that, as the second-string QB - and part-time starter - in 2007, Mallett got more practice snaps that year than Threet did, too.

WolvinLA

February 17th, 2009 at 4:50 PM ^

Although I mostly agree, you are comparing Mallett's first year with Threet's first year. It's reasonable to assume that Mallett's second year would have seen both improved accuracy and decision making. Thus, if you say that frosh Mallett is equivalent to Frosh Threet, then Soph Mallett is certainly better than Frosh Threet, even if it's only slightly.

WolvinLA

February 17th, 2009 at 4:56 PM ^

Yeah, that's certainly an X factor. I'd be a little surprised if Threet took his job anyway, but only a little. Even if Threet was the starter, we have to assume that bringing in Mallett as the backup is better than Sheridan.

Magnus

February 17th, 2009 at 4:56 PM ^

That gets into very murky territory. I realize it's impossible to prove how good we would have been if Mallett stayed, but I think it borders on absurd to try to gauge Mallett's improvement due to his personality clash with some of his teammates/coaches.

Craven Morehead

February 17th, 2009 at 5:09 PM ^

End up beating out Tate and Denard and taking UM to a Big 10 title. Would serve you anti Sheridan UM fickle goons right!