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So many defenses are set…

So many defenses are set field/boundary now.

I'm thinking its not a clean…

I'm thinking its not a clean.  205 (looks like to me) probably a overhead push press.

 

Don't hold your breath for…

Don't hold your breath for Evans

disguising coverages is something

that any highly recruited qb saw every game he played in highschool.   Its the first thing high school DC's have to do if they are going to try to put any pressure on a big arm.    you cant just line up and say ok on this play we are blitzing.

steming from a 2 shell to a single high safety is about the simplest thing you can do post snap.  the fact that a dI upper classman qb had trouble  identify it is really remarkable.     

 

 

well

Im not dead yet.  You could always run something like that by me if you are confused on anything.  

 

"inverted"

Refers to who is running the wide path verse who the power runner is.   Split back veer or under center veer, the qb keeps if the  read crashes  and takes the outside path.  "inverted veer" or gun veer the qb keeps if the read goes wide.  

the backside wrap pull is something you didnt see in the old veer options.  It was impossible to pull from the backside with a under center mesh with the rb.

 

One of the reaons for backing off the line is the abiliby to combine power and g schemes with the old veer and zone schemes.

 

 

brandent englemon

missing a large part of the App state game was a big reason michigan lost.  

You never know

you may still get that job you want and perhaps it will be BECAUSE of your contributions here.    

I believe you 100% when you say you get flak from your coaching buddies.  

 

If you ever decide to come south let me know

i agree

i think the mental aspect is something that comes up in game situations.  He might be hitting everything in practice. He might be the best QB by a mile, but is just struggling right now with his confidence with regards to the deep ball.   

If he was hurt

I would think giving the other qb's a chance would make more sense.  SO a hurt Ruddock is better than a healthy number 2, who up to the first game of the season was in a  neck and neck battle for the number 1 spot?

 

If he is hurt, i would be more inclined to think that other qb's would get more reps.

 

Why does the mental argument not make sense?   It is 100% part of the game.

I agree for the most part

But a turnover is still a turnover.  Coaches use the "well its just like a punt"  really to justify and to calm nerves after a 3rd down turnover.  Turnovers create momentum swings even if they are on a 4th down throw down the field.  Its why a defensive back has a hard time just knocking a ball down on a 4th and long throw.   The confidence a defense gains forma turnover is really unmeasurable.   So i get what you are saying, and i agree that those are the ones that make you cringe the most.  But at the same time in his mind he still is not wanting to risk a turnover regardless of the down.  

thanks!

ive never really liked Rudock's throwing motion, but it might just be because he isnt hitting all of his targets yet, so i am being over critical.  I never really liked Chad Henne's either.  I always felt like his deep balls were too high and relied too much on braylon jumping and not enough on our speed getting behind defensive backs.   But for the most part it worked, so no big deal, and it might have been by design. 

I compare throwing mechanics of qb's with pitchers.  When the strike zone gets squeezed or when they feel like they are loosing control, their mechanics start to break down.  They start over gripping, they start shortening their motion, they start aiming instead of throwing.  I think Rudock is a bit gun shy right now and perhaps any mechanical issues are due to that mental block.  

 

Im sure the coaching staff are harping on his mechanics to the point to where perhaps something might click.  Im not sure what mechanical techniques are being utilized at michigan practices, (R-4, etc)  or even if they are trying to maybe change something he has done for a long time in order to get him out of this funk.  

 

 

Im just plugging along.  !7 years now....

Maybe

If we are talking about a new Qb without any past history to suggest he can make those throws at the collegiate level the argument would be that we CANT make those throws. . That is not the case here though, you have a Qb that has had at least some success throwing the deep ball in past seasons at this level.  Therefore the problem is not a physical one, rather a mental one.  My point was just that the mentall problem problaby has something to do with a combination of things, one being the desire of him and the coaching staff to not turn the ball over.

I think its great that we are still attempting those passes, and i think by the end of the year he will be connecting on those throws and over the mental hump.  (hopefully)

 

 

yes

my point was that I think it has more to do with mentally not wanting to put the ball in a spot where it could be intercepted then a lack of ability...

 

thank you for clarifying that 

 

 

you are right

I didnt intend to post it as a diary.  In my rush to post after I read the article i must have clicked on the wrong option.  I was more impressed that I rememberd my user name.

 

i appologize 

An agreement

Im probably the original appologist and passively agressive "sky is not falling" dude  that brian loathes so much.

 

But in this instance, i actually agree and can understand the frustration and the anger.

 

Saturday was a joke,  i can remove myself from it and go on with my other football avenues,  but for those that have to cover the games,  are season ticket owners,students and alumni taht  have  real stock invested in this team beyond it just being a fun obsession, i can absolutely understand the call for imediate changes.

 

there were so many fails in the handling of the QB sitution, and it all falls back to Hoke..  from the dr.s and assistant coaches that didnt bother to do anything, to the head coach that was clueless as to what was going on.  or how about the officals that didnt call targeting, and allowed the qb to stay in the game.  

although i feel like if he wasnt being such a bad qb prior to the injury that people probably wouldnt have booed so hard that he came back in.    I've Been to many many games where qbs got hurt that were playing great and were met with huge ovations when they returned to the game.    I think the boos were probably more at what was obviously dumb coaching and frustartion at the fact that even when this bad playing qb was hurt the dumb football coach still put him in.

So at least in this instance, i 100% feel like last saturday WAS as bad as people think.

 

 

 

 

its that

hollywood,

 

but its also the  umpire effect.

 

what i mean by that is if you ever umpired a little league game or officated a basketball game,  you see things from a different perspective when you go back to being a fan.   you understand more why a certain call was made, or how one could have been missed, or even who should have been in possition to make a call that you had to make that might be critized, but wasnt really your fault.   

Im not saying coaches are the only ones that understand football, i am just saying (like i did all those years)  that coaches have a dual perspective.  Fan and coach.  I dont study Michigan football, i never have.  Im just a fan who happens to be a coach, and have a more intimate understanding of what goes into it.  Thats all.

I didnt enjoy trying to explain that, so thats why i dont try anymore.  Its not anyones fult, and its not a right and wrong thing,  its just persepctives that cant be explained, and also cant be forgoten. 

I cant pretend to understand what its like to be a michigan alumni,   so for the most part i dont try to.   i also cant pretend to be just a fan of football, as much as i would like too, 16 years of coaching it keeps me from being able to always just enjoy watching.  

as a personal note, to this day when i am asked to speak about our defense, i still give credit to Shafer,   still in my mind one of the best defensive minds around.  

ha

well,  glad i made an impression

 

 

ha..
 
thanks Steve,   hope

ha..

 

thanks Steve,   hope you are doing well.

"in no particular order"

so its not a "ranking"  just the 5 that they deem the big ones according to their criteria

wow

this was awesome...

 

i might not have any idea what half of it is saying, but this is cool nonetheless...

 

i also like the part where all the wla guys are said to be whimpy guys lviing in their mom's basements...

 

 

 

oh thats easy

im scaring the crap out of osu before the game with the sounds of 530 horses roaring out of the magna flows'

 

then a smoke show before each reverse to throw off the defense,  and to hide our blitzes...

 

 

will open the t-tops for the sweet fade up the sideline...

 

 

will celebrate with the sweet sounds of night ranger and pantera as we put the player of the game on top to parade around the stadium

This is a very good post

i will read your posts and comments from now on Space Cowboy

 

i think Youth is 95% of the problem.  When you have youth at a possition and smell weakness and inconsistence,  it becomes easier as a defensive coach to exploit those issues than it is for  an offensive coach to scheme a solution.    Much like teams can pressure mistakes out of a youthfull point guard once they see he cant handle it.

 

Allow this group to mature and grow up with some consistence.   (the changing of the starting front is prof to me of a perceived learning issue)

MichNukeEng

Brandent Englemon was one of michigans most under rated safeties of the past 25 years or so, and his absences in the first half of the APPY game for whatever reason was a direct cause  for the horror...

 

 

since then we have gone through so many tranisitions defensivly there hasnt been enough consistence to have a great safety.   Safety play varies  so much from coach to coach and scheme to scheme, problaby more so than any other possition.  It just isn't noticed as much.     kocas may have been more of the benefiiary of a little stability that resulted in his success,  as opposed to just being the little engine that could.   THe next two years should prove one way or another. 

Sad

much like whne Dimebag died,  that thing that sucks is to know, there will never be another tour...

Dave Lambardo from slayer was my all time fav metal drummer before vinnie paul..

 

at least we have the music,  pantera and slayer will always live,  espically in the ones of us that raged against our parents, our teachers, our coaches, and espically opposing players while angel of death and walk played in our heads...

 

you never really have experienced a live show if you had never seen the heavy metal gods live..

megadeth, slayer, pantera, etc...   the fans of those bands would go and see them every time they came around, regadless if they were promoting a new album or not...   the other things about those metal bands, they took their perfomances seriously, and made sure to bring it every time they steped on stage...

 

RIp metal gods, and thanks for leaving a legacy and all the great music for us to enjoy for ever

…since the corner's read is

since the corner's read is going to drop him into Cover 4—perfect spot to intercept a ball to #2 but who's got #1 now? My guess is he just plays quarters with the linebacker (or in this case the SDE), who has responsibility for the flat. Also the SS is playing quarters so he's got his ears back. 

 

to answer the question,  the olb, is problaby carrying number 2  to the safety,  he may work to the flats if its a short yardage situation..

 

otherwise the corner is playing both,  basically usuing a creep technique with eyes on qb to decide if he should jump one on top,  or creep under 2  with safety help on top...

 

reading qb is the key for the corner,  and staying in creep and not raising up..    so its a 2 read,  but its really a 2Q read...    through 2 to QB...

Michigan

use to run 2 read coverages..

at least they were starting too, with shafer..  its his base coverage,  a 2 drop and a 2 match concept...

 

both involve reading 2's,  its been my base coverage for 10 years now.

corners always love playing it, espically agressive press corners becasue it allows them to disguise and jump under routes...

 

I will be in town actually,

I will be in town actually,  I have my Father's 70 birthday party that day,  but there is a possibility i could come down later....

 

wonder how late people would stay,  and if i would even know anyone now...

best defensive

tackle in michigan history ROb Renes was a wrestler...

best defensive

tackle in michigan history ROb Renes was a wrestler...

the wrestlers

at the begining were putting on their red or green scoring tags...

his didnt velco right,  so the ref just had him not wear one, since martins did work...

 

the ref holds up his hand with the red wrist band if he is indicating points to the one with teh red ankle band,  or his hand  with the green wrist band to indicate points for the wrestler with the green ankle band...

I dont say this much

and im having to come out of retirement to say it but...

 

 

well done!   this might be the coolest thing i have every read here...

its Brandent  Englemon...

its Brandent  Englemon...

absolutely

you know a lot more about michigan schemes than i do, i have not spent much time trying to break it down, or studying them at all,  you have spent a lot of time, so im not trying to argue with you....

 

an A gap player is responsible for A gap plays...   however a dlinemen reseting  the los 3 yards in the backfield on an inside zone play is doing a pretty damn good job...

 

obviosuly i see your point, and like i said, it would have been great to make that play,  it also would be a play that not a whole lot of nose guards in college football can make, he was a step away from being awesome, and he wasn't..... he was just pretty good...

 

but its pretty obvious that the lbs were not very good...

 

that was my only point...

 

 

 

I tend to agree more with Brian

here,   although i think its also part of the bigger picture of why its hard to grade players without knowing exact technique being taught, or what is being emphasized in practice...

 

Mike martin destroys the center...   sure it would be great for him to get of the block and make the tackle for a loss, an All american play, something Michigan desperately needs him to be... But nobody would say,   "Martin messed up by not making the play... "  except for the fact that he is suppose to be our all-american.....  The LB's steps are slow their techniques are poor,  and their angles don't match up with each other....   and that would be the first thing that coaches would notice in film..

 

again though,  when you are guessing as to what responsibilities are based on alignment, you open yourself up to these kinds of disagreements...

 

 

the 5tech is the read

not the man that koger is traping... doesnt matter if he gets to him or not,  its sorta like  a midline play in that it  doesnt matter what happens outside, 

 

if its a  keep the play goes up field,  witht he 5 tech squeezing like he is...  you wouldnt block him, he is the read..

 

gs85

his job is to trap the man that shows contain... 5tech 4i,  olb, safety, mr rogers,  whoever,  first thing that shoes contain,  kick out,  open up the lane if the tackle squeezes

 

when pulling players  across the center you usually dont tell him the man he is blocking as much as you are telling him the responisiblity he is blocking, 

 

again this is MO,   obviously i dont know for sure,  i just know i wouldnt even know how to coach a pulling te on how to block a 5tech on the other side of the field  that is doing his job and squeezing a downblock, chances are that te would get killed...

its like a counter play,  you block the man that shows up field,  kick out and thats where the hole is...

i dissagree

the play is more of a way to still give denard a lane to run when a team is determined to come up field and take away his ability to get to the edge,  

 

klck out the contain rusher, denard reads the 5 tech and its to the house...

 

I think

that probably the 5tech end is the read,  when he crashed hard, robinson should have pulled the ball...   then the hole is inside of the trap block... if the outside lb wouldnt have you showed,  then the end wouldnt have crashed,  and the hole would have been tighter,  as the trap block would have been on the end...

 

 

unless this was a called give, i thnk denard made the wrong read...   

 

imo

He isnt being asked to cover a zone

he is simple being asked to wall off number 2 to the wide side of the field... Its a boundary zone blitz.   obviously there was some tendies that the coaches felt there was a good chance that they could zone blitz the short side.. drop the end into the 2 vertical spot on the short side and maybe force a quick throw into the ends arms...

the boundary end, and the field ilb are being asked to execute the same drop,  walling number 2... one just has a lot shorter distance obviously to go,  hence why you drop an end to the short side and lb tot he wide side..

flat players are to wall off 2,  obviously get your eyes back on the qb if possible...but you have to hall ass to number 2 wall off the inside vertical, and force it to the safety...  western read the blitz perfectly, and executed a great hot throw...  

 

if michigan  A) gets preasure quicker and forces a wobbly throw, at least with a hands up rush from the olb...   B) has a safety that can close on the qb's arm action better, or c) just gets a little quicker at getting out of the hole,  then they have what they want...

 

 

 

 

 

 

my thoughts

first of all i love the counter out of gun.. I think it is a great offensive play...  second its a really great play against this particular defensive call...

i still think the play could have been stoped with minimal damage, had the fs made his proper run/pass reads, and filled the funnel appropriately.   

 

An outside linebacker is NEVER going to spill a pulling guard unless the defense is angling someone to be the contain man.  In this case with a single high safety, the OLB IS the contain man... Obviously they would like for him to constrict the hole more, attack with his shoulders parralell to the LOS and not give up his chest, keeping his outside arm free.  But reagardless the hole WAS contricted enough for the olb to have done an OK job.  If anyone was going to spill, or squeeze it would have been the end, the problem is that it looks like Michigan is "pinching" its ends, that is the ends are playing "b" gaps.  In that case,  the end would not be able to get to the pulling guard.  The best case scenrio is that he defeats the downblock of the tackle and is able to disrupte the play from the inside.  the back side end if squeezing, needs to do a better job of attacking the shoulder of the pulling guard.  the guard was able to get out of the hole, before the end touched him, and the tackle was able to cut him off from properly pursuing the pulling guard.  

 

The lb's i beleive are too slow to step to the C gap, assuming that the ends are pinching.  The playside lb looks to take a false step, and is therefore one step late in covering the open gap...  

 

however the FS should never be 20 yards down field on a pulling counter play.  and should be at the point of attack, by the time they slow developing counter gets to the gap.  His first steps after seeing the down blocks of the tackles should be down hill,  and then funneling to the playside with the backfield action and the pulls in front of him..  at WORST, he should be just off the outside shoulder of the lb and in possition to make a play before open field...

IMO

this article

makes me sick,  and really makes me feel sorry for the kids on the team...

 

my heart goes out to the little girl and the rest of the poor kids on this team, they probably are getting their first taste of organized sports...   and what a sour taste it must be...

 

this guy no doubt has ruined some of the excited that the little kids and their parents had with their first experiences...

 

seriously, i cant believe that anyone would think this way, and that others would agree...

 

 

 

 

Perhaps i can give some insight

first of all 7 on 7 will never be like AAU.....  It is true what they say about AAU and the corruption there, but at the same time, it is still a valuable way for college coaches to see kids in action against other top competition...

 

7 on 7 will never be a primary way for a college coach to judge a persons ability to play football as opposed to an acutall game...  7 on 7 can point out athletic ability ball skills,  speed, breaks,  etc... but football is and will always be a collision sport,  a non-collision actitvity will never replace an actuall game...  not like AAU at all...

if you want to point at real corruption and probelms with recruting take a look at rectruting services and "providers" of player inforamtion,  that is where the real problem is in football..

 

we have had 7 on 7 forvever down here, its a so imprtant to a teams offseason  and to indivdual player development...  I recently worked with a NFL camp that had a 7 on 7 element to it, that will compete at a national tournament. ( and its free) ...   If that gets some kids extra expsure than fine...  but nobody would ever judge a kid in a 7 on 7 without seeing him play real football, it just doesnt happen....

 

people rallying against 7 on 7 probably just dont like it becasue its new, and its just one more way that northern football has been lagging behind the south,  i think the gap is closing,  but not without some issues like this..

 

 

 

 

request...

Coaches are some of the most stubborn people in the world. They don't have that "by any means necessary" attitude.

 

 

im so tired of this stupid thought...get over it please... 

sorry to bother

but frost was not going to come to michigan..

 

and....

 

Thanks for the advice, but that's not who I am. I stand up for all things meaningless or not. I was once yelled at for sitting on a new couch (I paid for) with dirty clothes on. I never sat on that couch again. Not for watching tv or for family pictures or any other reason. I never sat on that couch, never will.

 

 

this was a joke right?

jimmies

and joes....  not x's and o's...

 

how many switches in pre-snap formations does michigan have to go through before people start realizing the difference between 97's defense and this years defense has a lot more to do personal, and a lot less to do with how many lineman get in a three point stance before the snap....

 

jimmies

and joes....  not x's and o's...

 

how many switches in pre-snap formations does michigan have to go through before people start realizing the difference between 97's defense and this years defense has a lot more to do personal, and a lot less to do with how many lineman get in a three point stance before the snap....

 

i agree

with the OP for the most part...

 

 unfortunately as you will see,  those who only care about football, wont admit it... and those that really have some personal reason to feel sorry for the kid, wont be believed...

Ill admit

that i have no idea what any of this means.   Having said that, if the purpose is to say that sacks are more important to a game than INT's  i dont agree... 

 

first of all   Its folly to compare a sacks and Int's in terms of impact.

 

One play is defined as a tunrover 1 is not.  1 plays creates negative yards for an offense, one creates literally  an end of a possession.

 

Statistcally ints show up differently then sacks.  Sacks create negative yards that have to be made up.  An Int ends possessions...  No coach in america would say "oh man if we just sack them over and over again our defense will give up less yards", to "hey lets pick one off and get the ball"

conversely no coach in america would say " its better to throw a pic than to take a sack"  regarldess of what the offensive production stat says.  I-N-T those three letters, matter a whole lot more than yards...

Teams that have a good pass rush, tend to get a lot of sacks, and probably have a good dline/blitzing lb's,  coverage guys etc. You would expect that sack leading teams problaby have better defesive stats than a team that gets a lot of int's  

 

So if the point of the exercise is to show that statistacally the number of sacks a team gets is a better indicator of how good the team is defensiviely, i would agree..  Int's  are more hit or miss depending on off days by qb's wrong reads,  confused game plan,  wind, and maybe one player.  Where as getting a lot of sacks indicates a lot of good defensive players...

 

just my opinion,  ill see myself back out..

Nah

 Im always lurking...   Just here to support my friend.