He does have a hell of an OC so far in Al Borges.
talk to caris yo
He does have a hell of an OC so far in Al Borges.
I should have looked at the stats first. I don't like this. Then again, some consider him a great OC, but the numbers do not paint that picture.
You're not telling the whole story.
They lost to Missouri by only 3.
They beat Air Force.
They lost to TCU by only 5. TCU beat Wisconsin as we all know.
And they lost to Utah by only 4.
His team was competitive in each loss. That's like saying that you don't really like Belein that much because even though he's having a good season his team couldn't beat the 4th ranked Syracuse only losing by 3, couldn't beat Kansas because we lost in OT, and couldn't beat OSU but only lost by 4.
Why can't we jump on the bandwagon? Do we really want to go through the same problems we had with Rich Rod?
we shouldnt support Hoke. I for one will support him. I posted this because it seemed as everyone was going crazy (in a negative way) about him being hired and then after the press conference, it seemed as if the entire fan base did a 180. I guess I was just trying to bring some rationality to the situation.
I don't understand. We should not "jump on the bandwagon" because of Hoke's record at . . .SDSU, that traditional football powerhouse? Come on, please. He has done really well at really bad places. How do you think UM would have done this year against TCU and Mizzou with our defensive situation. And as Coach said, "this is Michigan for God's sake."
Being a passionate fan and "rationality" have always been at odds, at any school, in any era. Sitting in a freezing or roasting stadium screaming your lungs out for your team when it's down by three touchdowns late in the fourth quarter and playing poorly while doing so is hardly a "rational" act. That's a big part of what makes it fun.
but they were also down something like 35-14 to TCU at the half, so that score is a bit misleading too.
Did I miss the memo where the 2nd half of games doesn't count? I'm 99% sure SDSU had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the 4th Q.
According to this board, when you go down by 3 scores, none of your offensive stats count the rest of the game because the other team lets up
According to what board? Everyone I read on this board save a few guys were extolling those second halfs as evidence of this other world offense.
If it will make everyone who can't let it go and look to the future happy: Rich got screwed here. He was the best coach in the country. He inherited lousy players thanks to Lloyd Carr. He deserved a 4th year because he won 7 games. The defense wasn't his fault.
You guys were right all along. Brandon doesn't know shit about football because he fired a coach on the cusp of winning big in 2011.
Now that all the points are conceded and those critical of Rich can be hunted down, and hung upside down in the town square, let's get down to the business of a completely different Michigan from the last 3 years. If Hoke wins, we'll admit it was all because of the restocking of talent from Rich. However everyone wants it.
I'd whether win than be right at this point.
Feel better? I'd "whether" you just leave the fucking board.
You are using the other side of the argument that ardant rich rod supporters would use all the time after we made it a somewhat respectable game near the end of our games against Iowa, MSU, and Penn State. Many people would say that it was too little too late and that the opposing team had let their foot off the gas, but not you guys! Now you are saying that SDSU was getting clobbered at the half, but only made it close in the end. Unbelieveable!.......
2008 Michigan lost by only 2 points to the undefeated Utah team that demolished Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Doesn't make them a good team.
We know the 2008 Michigan team was bad because it got blown out a bunch of times, not because it lost by two to Utah. SDSU had no lopsided losses. They actually had quite a bit of bad luck (including some controversial officiating) to finish 9-4.
Damnit, I can't keep all this bandwagon stuff straight. Every time I look it's "put your left hand in" or "take your left hand out" or "put your left hand in and shake it all about". I can't keep doing this and turning myself all about...unless of course that is what it's all about, then I'm fine with it.
Good reminder to not get drawn in by smoke and mirrors. Off the field, he seems like a great guy and I genuinely enjoyed watching today's presser.
But on the field is where it ultimately matters and those reservations that you, and I and others have are going to exist until proven wrong. I welcome being proven wrong though...
You're absolutely right. Hoke will have fewer distractions than RR due to the relationship with the fanbase and media that is clearly going to be less strained than it has been the past three years. However, the only good that can provide is if it leads to more winning. A smoother relationship with former players and boosters has not and will never be a substitute for winning.
Dave Brandon clearly felt that Hoke is qualified for the job, and he does not deserve a pass due to his lack of experience as a BCS coach. I will definitely be cheering like crazy at every game next year. But until Hoke starts performing in the areas where RR failed, confident and inspiring talk will not have me convinced we are immediately on track for greatness again.
I'm all in. so in.
that all their losses were close. They lost to TCU by 5. Missouri by 3. Utah by 4. Those are all quality (I believe ranked) teams.
Apparently they got some bad calls in at least a couple of the losses at the end of the games.
So I'm sure you could spin it the other way too.
going to include those as well, but I decided against it because close losses are still losses.
dont overlook close losses. If Michigan had lost its 6 games by a margin of <7 points each, I am fairly confident that Rich Rod would still be rocking out to Groban in Schembechler Hall
wins against lesser opponents are still wins.
I would be crying at being oh so close (again), rather than vomiting at realizing how far away we still are...
I read your signature...the quote from Abraham Lincoln, yet your comments are promoting the exact opposite of what your signature says.
your RR sig worked out oh so well there, eh?
I do enjoy it . Thanks for changing it for me. You must have a lot of respect for my opinion.
Lincoln borrowed that phrase from The Bible. It is somewhere in Matthew.
But those Service Academies are pretty good football teams.
Seriously, why does them being service academies make them bad? Navy has been a solid team for a few years, and Air Force was in the top 25 for much of the year.
Also, Hoke won a bowl at SDSU. The last coach to do that did so in the late 60's. The last coach to do that at Michigan was not RR. And Hoke won big. Let's not pretend that's a small feat.
Before Hoke got there, SDSU hadn't posted a winning season since 1998. For a decade, it didn't matter whom they played - they lost, period. He changed that. And it's worth noting as well that their four losses (all to winning teams) were by a combined 15 points, so it's not like they feasted on cupcakes and got exposed by strong opponents.
You got that right.
hope you dont mind that Im going to use your statement in my sig, all the credit to you of course.
Alledged fans constantly cried about Rodriguez. Obviously not being a true fan for the last three years has dulled judgement about Michigan football.
Anybody who chose yesterday to be negative and hyper-critical just has no heart. I was all-in for Rich Rod and really liked the guy. But the reasons for his firing were obvious to anyone who watched the Gator Bowl. Now Hoke is our coach. If you can't jump on his bandwagon and root for the guy, well, the band-wagon is going to be happier without you. As you say, Michigan fans are thrilled about what we saw in Brady yesterday.
I will support Hoke till there is reason not to do so. But the time now is to celebrate the hire, support the team, and send good vibes that will spread to recruits.
Why is it the Hoke bandwagon?
It is not like we have a choice. He is and will be the coach for the next four years for sure.
It is time to support this guy!
Cause every coach should get four years, amirite?
It's filling up fast.
also has the same age of the new offensive scheme. thats going to be fun to watch for 3 more years. does this sound familiar, run left, run left, incomplete pass, punt.
Did you copy/paste that from Stanfod's drive charts in the orange bowl?
one game better.
we start beating MSU all the time and our fair share of OSU games. That is the measure
People, like myself, were really hoping for a big name coach and "oh God no, please not Hoke." When all of the others dropped out we got Hoke, who we had grown to not want. My initial reaction was (verbatim from my reply to the text I got with the news, censored): "F*** f*** f*** f*** f***." After a couple hours were through, I began to realize that this was reality and that Hoke was coach. It was then that I started to cool off a little bit, and I realized that he is our coach and he deserves support. I didn't want to have another divided fan base situation like the RR hire.
Also, the fans want to go back to the "old days." We won games in the old days; they were great, don't you remember? Brady Hoke symbolizes the old days in that he coached here under Carr (won a NC) and he's a defensive guy. People are happy about that.
So any of my positive posts about Hoke are not because I fell in love with him overnight, but because I realize that he deserves some support. Also, WE KNOW HE HAS A LOSING RECORD. During the days of waiting, we've done the research and know the important statistics, like who he's beaten and who he's lost to. There is no need to keep posting them.
I'm not defending the hire, ecstatic about the hire, or calling for DB's head on a silver platter. I'm just willing to be optimistic and let the guy have his shot. I hope he does well.