UM on Mike & Mike this morning
Gary Anderson was on M&M this morning, and afterwards the talk got around to the Michigan coaching hire.
Greeny brought up the topic of which is the better coaching position--UM or Wiscy. He had some stats comparing the two schools and the number of NFL players in the draft and on the field and it was markedly not in our favor. CC's take was that even the perfect hire wasn't going to turn things around quickly since UM just doesn't have the bodies.
Although I wasn't expecting a fair shake with three OSU, ND, and NW honks in the group, I couldn't argue with their findings completely. That being said, they agreed that UM was still a prestigious program with a ton of cash and the ability to hire top-shelf coaching talent.
EDIT: Let me clarify that I couldn't argue with Greeny's stats about the number of players in the NFL. I certainly don't agree with their overall negative take on UM.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^
December 12th, 2014 at 10:43 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^
This will all be irrellevant in a couple of days/weeks.
Harbaugh is coming.
And it will be glorious.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^
Anyone know what/who Korn Ferry is? Mark Snyder reporting that is the search firm being contracted.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:12 AM ^
Being reported that Jed Hughes, the guy who ran the Hoke search was hired by this firm a year after ther search via Dan Murphy on ESPN
December 12th, 2014 at 10:13 AM ^
Very large, well-known international search firm.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^
Based on Korn Ferry's Wikipedia page, they are the world's largest executive search firm.
An interested thing to note is, Jed Hughes, who leads Korn Ferry's sports sector, is a University of Michigan alumnus and was an assistant coach under Bo from 1974-75. He found Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke for Michigan (oh god).
From Korn Ferry's sports sector page:
December 13th, 2014 at 4:28 AM ^
like him or not, Dave Brandon was a fucking amazing get for Michigan. We pulled the sitting CEO of the world's largest pizza chain, with over a billion in revenue and a quarter of a milion employees.
That was a Harbaugh level steal.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^
December 13th, 2014 at 4:29 AM ^
I want Chantel Jennings to marry me and wear her Faux Pelini costume down the aisle.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
I would disagree that we dont have the bodies. I think this team is pretty loaded with talent and experience right now and should be able to win right away depending on the system and the QB development.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
You would all be reacting differently to this thread if it had been entitled "highly experienced coach at NFL factory St. Thomas Aquinas High of Florida heavily recommends Wisconsin over Michigan to its high level recruits."
That it is Chris Carter who is the source of that doesn't make it any better or less concerning, in my view. In fact, to me it makes it worse - I actually believe he knows what he's talking about.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
Yep, Got alot of talent returning, just need coaching, my concern is Quarterback.
December 12th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 12:39 PM ^
I can't understand why Robert Smith doesn't hold a little animosity toward OSU. I'm too lazy to link, but seems like he left OSU early after complaing that he was expected to practice football more that go to class. The pre-internet reaction from Buckeyeland couldn't have been kind to Smith.
December 12th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
Personally, I think most of Michigan's defensive starters in 2015 will have a good shot at the NFL at some point, and a number of Michigan's offensive players will, too (though not as many). I think Hoke did a great job of recruiting talent - guys with size, speed, etc. Obviously, there are some deficiencies at key positions (QB, WR) and some youth (OL), but the raw talent is there for a lot of these guys to play at the next level.
December 12th, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^
I'm guessing you're not especially sold on Morris or Speight?
December 12th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^
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December 12th, 2014 at 11:27 AM ^
mistake was tuning into these two asshats. Your second was not switching the channel to something else.
December 12th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
I have never listened to this show and doesnt sound like I miss much.
That said over the past 8 years or so they have a point on NFL production. When I did some pieces on LSU I was struck on their volume to the NFL - something like more guys drafted in rounds 1-5 in 3 years than UM has had in 8. Wiscy has been sending RBs and OL at a pretty frantic pace and even some nice D players. We have been lacking the past 2 coaches if for lack of development (Hoke) or system (RR's smaller players on offense, and "de-emphasizing" defense) so I dont have an issue on that front.
In terms of potential on the roster I am in the camp let's see. Wiscy recruits to a system and that system is estabished. We recruit far higher starz but need a coach to coach them up - no one knows what we have in terms of true NFL quality outside of a few names I could see headed there ala Henry and Lewis. (Peppers who knows, he has played 1.5 games)
December 12th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
Along the Lakeshore we only have one other sports radio station. So I do listen to Mike and Mike on my way to work since they're usually funny and at least somewhat entertaining. It's not really a hardcore sports show format, and that's okay with me. I don't have to look to them for focused sports conversation. So it's either that or listen to the MSU/ND homers on the other station.
December 12th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
December 12th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
I wonder what it would take to actually temper our fanbase's arrogance. Complete irrelevance in football hasn't made much of a dent.
Apparently top 10 recruiting classes are conclusive as to the fantastic talent on our roster. In the face of being horrible on the field, how could anyone even consider anything to the contrary. How stupid these ESPN guys are.
As to Wisconsin, they have a better record than us over a 20 year period, over the past 10 years, its not even close.
December 12th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^
I agree Michigan isn't going to return to its top position quickly with a new hire, but I suspect this year will have a decent number of draft picks, and then in the coming years there should be a good number. The one thing Hoke did do well was recruit kids, and while they haven't all blossomed I do think that a different coaching staff should be able to maximize what he does have.
December 12th, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
The longer the #Michigan job stays open the better. Makes me think they have something huge up their sleeve.
— Mike Greenberg (@Espngreeny) December 12, 2014
December 12th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^
I really don't know how talented this team is. I really don't see much team speed. Corners seems to be lackluster excluding Peppers. Safeties are meh, WRs are meh, Jake Butt is talented, oline is meh, QBs are meh, RB are slightly better than meh, Dline and LBs are the only spots I look at say oh yeah we have talent. Just because the whole team is 4 and 5 stars doesn't mean the team is talented. You guys need to quit obsessing over recruiting rankings.
December 12th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^
There was a stat on a radio show today that cited on UMs 97 NC team had 31 kids drafted to the NFL. In the last decade they've had 27.