TomVH: FWIW on Receivers
I know a few people have expressed concern over one of the recruits saying that the Michigan coaches told him they will only be taking one receiver. As of right now I don't believe that's the case. I believe they will take two. That can change with other numbers and other commitments, but as of now I think they would take two.
the update Tom. You are the man.
Any word on how his visit went?
As I reported in the Weekly Update he likely won't be leaving until tomorrow.
I hope all went well!
It's nice to have options.
Part of me would rather have two DTs than two receivers. But if the coaches are confident on moving someone inside, then so be it.
3 would be best, but that's not going to happen. We must have 2.
EDIT: Let me turn that into a question - Tom, any similar feel on DTs, do you think we'll take 2?
add those to Wormley and Diamond and call it a day. Pass on RB and QB this year as we aren't going to get any of the highly rated guys unless something crazy happens with Dunn this weekend.
I don't understand offering a fullback who's more like a RB when we've got more critical holes to fill at DT and WR.
I didn't want to say anything in the other threads but I hate offering FBs.
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Fullbacks are like anything else...you get what you pay for. More on target, if you offer a kicker, the chances are better you will get a good kicker. If you trust the job to walk ons, you run the risk of bad kicking. If you trust the fullback position to nothing but massive walk ons, you get Moundros, McColghan, etc., who may be big in size and large in spirit, but less than impressive in performance.
Fullback seems to be important to the offense Hoke is trying to create. He tried to get one last year. He pushed for several candidates this year. It doesn't do any good to push getting one back another year just because there's better talent on the table. There may well be, but that won't solve the problem of not having a competent fullback.
As to our new brother's size, this fits deeper into the philosophy of creating matchup problems. For all Brian's hollering about 'Manball', Hoke seems to put a premium on this. Funchess is not a prototypical power football tightend. He is a versatile matchup headache for any enemy. This new fullback fits into that mold of versatile players who can be relied upon to do something well, and potentially do several other things as well. Hoke is creating a true, three dimensional offense capable of being powerful yet unpredictable.
For the record, I want two DT's also. And two wideouts. It seems like we still have room for them. And Wormley. But even if he didn't, there's method to this madness. So enough with the "I hate fullbacks" meme.
Kickers are a crapshoot and 90% of it is mental. I'd rather take my chances with just 1 scholly kicker every 4 years and tons of walk ons than having 2 on scholly as we do now
While I disagree with the first sentence, I agree with the second. The point is, getting that one every four years. The reason we have two is because #1 flamed out in disastrous fashion. I don't think many people were complaining about snaring #2, Wile. The argument shouldn't be made "have two more years of absurdly poor kicking and THEN get a new schollie kicker." We had a need, it needed to be filled. We also have no meaningful fullback, and now that need is (in theory) also filled.
Before fullback was a luxury in a Rich Rod offense...how many of Michigan's starting fullbacks were walk-on's without a scholarship? Guys like Bunch, Leggette, Askew (when he wasn't playing RB) etc. certainly weren't paying their own way.
That is something that you would say bouje...
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It's nice to have these kind of problems. Tom, can you please talk the staff into taking 2 DT's as well?
I'd rather take 1 WR and accept a commitment from Ron Thompson, taking advantage of him and Devin Funchess as receiving threats.
but Ron Thompson is no longer an option, the rumors about him seem to have some truth behind them.Too bad, the kid has great hand. Still lots of options on the board though.
Haven't been paying attention: what rumors? Is it just that we won't have room to fit him in the class?
but he flashed his...at a girl.
I'm more than down w/ 2 WR's. Actually think we need exactly that number IMO. As for DT, I'm assuming everyone here is referring to NT which I think is a dire need as well, but would be happy w/ 1-2.
If you had to take your best guess as to who those two recievers were going to be, what would that guess be?
We have too many question marks with the DT's on the current roster after Martin leaves. Plus, I think all great defenses start with having a great defensive line. We should be covered on the ends for a while, but I'd feel even greater about this class if we can get two guys like O'Brien and Pipkins.
We have three defensive line coaches on staff, past or present, two of whom happen to be named Hoke and Mattison. I agree with your statement, but I also have to assume Hoke and Co. know and agree with this opinion, are aware of their situation, and are planning accordingly. God does not play dice with the universe. Hoke does not play dice with the defensive line. Just an opinion.
I would leave the last spot for Dunn or Diamond. Dunn is becoming more of a long shot but I wouldn't count us out either. Diamond seemed like more of a sure thing a few months ago but he is a coin flip at this point with maybe a slight lean towards going Blue.
Well he already had one spot for OL. The only reason I would want two OL is if Banner and Garnett only want in if they can come together. I really want Dunn just for the satisfaction of taking another recruit from Ohio.
I don't think Dunn is such a long-shot. We lead for his cousin D Thomas; He is friends with Kalis; we have a favorable depth chart; he is visiting again for the BBQ; the punishment to OSU despite the lack of spine by the NCAA will likely include a bowl-ban which is key for Dunn.
While OSU's chances are still high, there is serious interest on Dunn's part and reading the atmospherics, it is pretty clear that we are "gaining groud."
When you say favorable depth chart, do you mean we don't have an elite/established RB? Cause we have 7 RBs on the roster, with only Shaw graduating (unless Cox doesn't come back). 6 RB's for 1 spot (2ish depending on how the reps get split up) isn't a favorable depth chart, especially with 2 RBs in the class before him.
Yes, since we don't have a clear starter at RB, our depth chart is favorable to Dunn compared to OSU's. Plus, with another highly ranked RB in OSU's 2012 class, it would be beneficial for Dunn to come to Michigan as the chance to start early would be greater.
A 1 year, and possibly a 2 year bowl ban (given a redshirt or minimal playing time) wouldn't directly impact Dunn's OSU career.
But 5* running backs are never looking to redshirt. RB is one position where freshmen often make an impact.
The coaching situation is also a wild card. Do any of us really expect Fickell to be there 2 or 3 years from now? Will they be able to get a top-tier guy to take his place or be stuck with a less-than-ideal candidate? The coaching situation for anyone thinking of committing to Ohio is totally up in the air. They have no idea what they're walking into in that respect, or who their coach will be long-term.
instead of 2 WRs. Next year will be a lot easier to recruit top notch receivers with Shane in the fold. Thompson would still be nice, as well. He and Morris have a "thing" going with each other in the G Kings.
Yeah, they were really in sync during that 7 on 7 championship, some of Morris' best completions were to him. But apparently there are some "rumors" about him or something. I haven't heard anything, so I would be more than happy with him as a second WR commit, even if he served as more of a receiving TE.
He had a bit of a belly though. Seeing him made me think he will be a TE not a WR.
So what you are saying is that they are only taking one receiver?
I think the consensus on him was he will be deciding sometime in August.
Shawn Conway to Michigan just isn't going to happen....correct?
Tom, we already have Bo as a walk-on could that be our second receiver?
has anybody heard how Darboh is enjoying his visit? He was headed to A2 yesterday with his basketball coach according to TomVH.
He's still there, as I understand it. Might even be there through tomorrow.
WTF?
Are you expecting a tweet about Hoke giving him a foot massage or something?
I feel sorry for Tom VH amongst the Ritalin-addled masses.
Ritalin is so 2003, it's all about the adderall now
/know your ADD
Adderall is so 2008; it's about Vyvanse now/know YOUR ADD
I think he was expecting something along the lines of the numerous post/during visit updates that Tom has givien. The ones where the recruit is quoted as saying " I really ______ Michigan, because of _______. The ________ was great and I really feel _________ about the coaches."
You shall not tempt the LORD your TOMVH.