Toledo Reactions

Submitted by ameed on

Frankly, I am a little afraid to see what happens on MgoBlog today, so lets hear it.

My reaction: "meh, that sucked."

I took last years App State loss much worse, i guess it desensitized me.  I am still planning on being at the rest of the home games, even though I sat this one out and didn't travel back.  I still love Michigan football.  But yeah, that sucked.

Jay

October 11th, 2008 at 4:05 PM ^

This team fucking blows. B-L-O-W-S. I am really starting to question the coaching staff as well. NOTHING is improving. In fact, this team is getting more and more awful by the week. I was lukewarm to the Rich Rod hire originally and I've seen NOTHING that leads me to believe he is the genius that some in our fanbase make him out to be. I've grown tired of the excuses that the RR slappies make for him and his coaching staff. There is a really strong possibility that we don't win another fucking game the rest of the way. That is unacceptable no matter how you slice it.

Anonymous Coward (not verified)

October 11th, 2008 at 4:45 PM ^

Jay, I understand the frustration. But realize the sample size.  It is an awful loss, but give it until 5 games into next year before you can judge improvement (or lack thereof)

Sommy

October 11th, 2008 at 5:01 PM ^

To be fair (and yes, there really is no excuse, you're right, but just for the sake of argument), weren't Graham and Odoms both out today?  Granted, the rest of the team should be able to take care of a MAC team, but when your best defensive lineman is out and your only receiver you can count on to actually catch the ball is out, it's understandable that you may come out flat.

BlockM

October 11th, 2008 at 5:18 PM ^

This game was awful, but I don't think we can blame it on the coaches. Their game plan may have not been fantastic, but all of the problems came from execution. The pick-6, the other two interceptions, the missed field goal... Obviously these are things the coaches should be working on in practice, but there's only so much they can do.

Unacceptable, of course, but RR's fault? I don't think so.

chitownblue (not verified)

October 11th, 2008 at 5:44 PM ^

Everyone who is so quick to bail on these kids and these coaches, after six games, need to chill out. The fact that, relatively speaking, Michigan Football has been an unqualified success for decades has disguised the fact that our fanbase has as many front-runners as any other fanbase. There are tons of people that root Michigan because seeing their proxies succeed give them some sort of solace in life.

Seriously, if you just want to cheer a winner, go buy a Sparty hat for this year - we'll see all the fools show back up when we're winning 9-10 games a year again.

So, Jay? Go fucking take your Michigan flag down and deck yourself out in Alabama gear, seriously. If you're ready to renounce everything, what the fuck are you cheering for? Something to make you feel better? I'm sorry that you may not be able to use your Michigan fandom to make yourself feel superior to Sparty fans this year.

I'm not arguing for the infallibility of the staff, but, my hunch is that RR, as a seriously successful D-I college coach knows more about coaching than an absurdly pessimistic message board poster with Molly Sims as his avatar.

Jay

October 11th, 2008 at 5:59 PM ^

Chitown,

 Please show me where I said I wanted to quit or renounce this football program. ANYWHERE. Go ahead. Show me. I make no apologies for the fact that I was never crazy about the Rich Rod hire to begin with. Fans aren't forced to accept a coaching staff with blind loyalty. So, basically, I'm telling you to fuck off. If you don't like the fact that people are going to call out Rich Rod for how god awful this team is playing, then I suggest that you don't read message boards.

 

P.S. I'm surprised that you are singling me out because of my dissatisfaction for the terrible job this coaching staff is doing when there are people on here who are giving the staff a free pass while blaming EVERYTHING on the players. I suppose its okay to throw 18-22 year old kids under the bus just to protect the manlove that some have for Rich Rod, huh?

maracle

October 11th, 2008 at 4:13 PM ^

I have to say that defense was at least OK.  They couldn't seem to stop those shortish 5-10 yard throws to Moore, but other than that they only gave up 6 points.

At some level I look at today and it's like every unlikely thing that could have happened did.  101 yard interception return?  How often is a pick in the endzone going to be in a spot where no one can tackle the guy?  Field goal off the crossbar?  Lopata missing a short one?  2 interceptions off tipped balls?

The only thing that really went our way all day was that pass interference call.  If we could stop giving up points on turnovers we'd be winning these games, which is frustrating.  No fumbles today, sadly we replaced them with killer interceptions...

lhglrkwg

October 11th, 2008 at 4:56 PM ^

pass defense was bad again, but the defense still somehow held toledos offense to 6 points. threet was ok-ish except for the ole 100 yd INT return and the fact that he appears unable to complete a pass to mathews or stonum that is longer than 5 yds. lopota....is no longer kicking-competency lopota. i expect gingell to start kicking again vs penn state (never thought i would see that again)

maracle

October 11th, 2008 at 5:12 PM ^

Lopata missed one last week but it was over 50 yards (actually it was blocked).  He missed one against Miami NTM from 41.  He's made several long kicks of 47-50 yards.

This one was killer, both due to the situation and being from 26 yards, but I don't think one bad kick loses you a job that you've done very well at for over a year.

Sommy

October 11th, 2008 at 4:57 PM ^

...but nothing will be.  Although, the deja vu I had in the stadium during the final drive was overwhelming.  I will no longer be going to any Michigan games. I'm seriously bad luck.

Anonymous Coward (not verified)

October 11th, 2008 at 5:14 PM ^

Instead of improving as the season moves on, this team is getting worse. Who or what do you attribute this to?

How long since Michigan has lost 10 games in a season? A definite probablity this year...

hat

October 11th, 2008 at 5:40 PM ^

Don't blame the D.  They played today without two of their best players (Graham and Warren) and really only gave up 3 points.  (The other FG came after an interception in our own territory.)  This one is squarely on the offense.  It obviously got two tough breaks with Odoms and Threet (in the second half) being out but it still should have been able to score more than this.

brown

October 11th, 2008 at 5:57 PM ^

Yea I think matthews and odoms are the only serviceable WRs.  if you look at who henne had his entire career, threet would love to have ANY of those guys to catch passes.  Avant, manningham, breaston, edwards, are all playing NFL ball right now...

 What is stonum doing? What is clemons doing?  

 Can't wait till those other slot WR/RBs come 

Anonymous Coward (not verified)

October 11th, 2008 at 5:54 PM ^

Here are the facts.  We're not a very good football because we are very young, inexperienced, and dealing with a new system.  We're still better than Toledo, but every single fluke play went their way.  If that pick wasn't thrown we probably win by a couple scores.

It was a very painful loss, but I've got to believe that there's a game coming our way in which we'll get some breaks.  Maybe, just maybe, it'll happen in a way to get us back on track to 6-6.

ShockFX

October 11th, 2008 at 5:58 PM ^

Stonum can't catch balls either NOT thrown to him, or thrown 5 feet above him.  Clemons just isn't that good.

chitownblue (not verified)

October 11th, 2008 at 6:03 PM ^

I don't think it's fair to throw anyone under the bus - players or coaches. It's the sixth fucking game.

Any moderately reasonable person, 4 months ago could tell you why we're not good - no experience, freshman QB's, no depth, new system, unsuccessful recrtuiting at OL, S, and LB - EVERYONE knew this. So we're shocked we're not very good? Seriously? We need to find scapegoats now for something that was abudantly fucking clear before we played a snap? That's moronic.

Blue Durham

October 11th, 2008 at 6:25 PM ^

ShockFX head of sports section

Headline:  Michigan loses to Toledo, 13-10.  Story:  Toledo was just better. 

Headline:  Phillies beat Dodgers, 8-5.  Story:  The Phillies were just better

Headline:  USA wins Ryder cup over the European team.  Story:  The USA golfers were just better.

Think of all of the time and space that could be save, and the rest could be used for advertisements!  What a money maker!

ShockFX

October 11th, 2008 at 6:28 PM ^

I meant as opposed to throwing players or coaches under the bus.  Besides, I would settle for this sort of analysis instead of the shit ESPN puts out from people that didn't even watch the game.

Unranked Michigan has lost to Utah, ND, Illinois, barely beat Miami (NTM) and Wisconsin.  Maybe we're just not a good team?

Blue Durham

October 11th, 2008 at 6:40 PM ^

I couldn't get the thought out of my head of Brian's UFR, where he could really save himself a lot of time and agony by just posting "Toledo was just better."

There is no question this is not a good team, certainly not up to the standards of the program. 

Keeping in mind that nothing that is written here affects the program in any way (as this really is an exercise in mental masturbation) why is this team performing the way they are?

  1. Was this team that poorly assembled by the previous staff
  2. Has the present coaching staff, by trying to introduce the new system, tried to fit a square peg in a round hole?  Could they have better adapted a offense to the talent on hand?
  3. By spending time on introducing the new system, was working on fundementals short-changed (reading some of Coach Simmons posts, he seems to indicate this)
  4. Other reasons?

hat

October 11th, 2008 at 6:45 PM ^

Has the present coaching staff, by trying to introduce the new system, tried to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could they have better adapted a offense to the talent on hand?

With this offensive line and QB play, there is no offensive system that would flourish.  This isn't so much a "square peg/round hole" issue as a "not very talented at key positions" issue.  Give RR last year's Michigan team and it would have been incredible to see.

Blue Durham

October 11th, 2008 at 7:33 PM ^

With this offensive line and QB play, there is no offensive system that would flourish 

No, but I would settle for a step or two above total suck.  In the '70's and 80's, Bo loved to run the option.  In '79, John Wangle replaced option QB/God Rick Leach and Bo tried to have him run the option.  It failed; Bo learned and adapted during the season and Wangler didn't run one option in his senior season in '81.

I do not think Threet is a spead-option QB, and the read option is a failure.  This was indicated in the spring game and is the round hole/square peg I'm referring to.  Would something else have worked better - thats a judgement call.  Would working with the young players on fundementals have been time better spent?  Perhaps.

But one thing is clear to me.  This is the worse Michigan football team for over 40 years.  This has already been and is going to be a season of firsts for Michigan, and not in the good way.  Like it or not, Rodrigeuz has had something to do with it and I am sure that he is not happy about it.  

Joe

October 11th, 2008 at 6:24 PM ^

Why do we need to throw anybody under the bus?  These are kids who are busting their balls to try and win.  Coaches who are busting their balls trying to win.  Nobody wants to lose; it sucks.  Growing pains hurt, but in the end we should evolve into a football giant (again).

maracle

October 11th, 2008 at 8:16 PM ^

I agree, no one is getting thrown under the bus.  I think we can say that this team isn't very good without it being tantamount to throwing someone under the bus.

Someone mentioned Stonum and Clemons earlier.  Well they haven't looked fantastic but as they're freshman so what?  They may never be good or they may be fantastic in a couple of years.  Most players don't play when they're freshman because they'd suck if they did.  We can say that the team isn't great without it being some kind of attack on the players.  Lots of guys on this roster are going to be awesome in a couple of years.

thee1jersey

October 11th, 2008 at 6:29 PM ^

Over the past couple of years i have took every loss to heart.  Turning my phone off and going through my saturday pissed off.  The App. State game was definately the worst one.  This doesn't compare to it.  Did we, as fans, really expect a team FULL of freshman skill players, Except Matthews, to have a decent record this year?  This team will be full of experienced Sophs. next year. Just remain optimistic guys.  This is the first year I really don't know what to expect in any game.  So yeah, it does suck they lost today, but I remain optimistic that this team will be really good in the following years.