Three things irk me about last night's loss to Miami
1) I’m not sure which end of the ice is worse, but this team is simply undisciplined with the puck. How many times have we coughed it up in our own zone resulting in an opposing goal (Miami’s 3rd goal especially). How many times does a forward make a careless pass in the neutral zone. You’d sometimes think our squad was made up of intramural hacks, instead of future NHLers.
2) Apparently the goal in question was disallowed because a delayed penalty was being called on Miami, who's "touching" of the puck caused the whistle to blow. Someone help me out here. I've alway thought that the penalized team must "possess" the puck before the whistle blew. Just touching it doesn't negate the offensive teams "advantage", so if that's the case, it's a lousy rule.As far as "loosing sight of the puck," Miami's second goal was scored despite Hunwick having it smothered under his pad. While the puck was poked clean, the whistle should have blown because it was out of sight of the referee.
3) Years ago the game was officiated more consistently with one referee and two linesmen. Adding the second referee has damaged the game.Fan support of the Michigan team was horrible. There were only slightly more than 3,000 fans in the whole building. Our players work their butts off to provide an excellent level of hockey, and our fans can't get off their duffs to drive a measly 153 miles. All we hear is maize this, and maize that. Not only staff and alumni, the student support sucked also--to use your colorful language. I'm ashamed to be a Wolverine.
Three things irk me about your post.
1) Your font
2) Your inability to spell "losing"
3) Your critical analysis of the team, which includes calling them "intramural hacks," before going-on to say that the rest of us are poor supporters of Michigan hockey and how "ashamed" you are to be a Wolverine. Don't support Michigan, then. It's as simple as that.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^
agree 100%. after an incredible run in a game we shoulda won I mean we DOMINATED the first OT
Trueferblue22:
1) Ok, I apologize about the font and my misspelled word. I'll wash my mouth out with soap.
2) "You'd sometimes think..." is miles away from calling them hacks. I, in fact, acknowledged they were future NHLers.
3) Miami at times made us look bad With their effective forechecking, cycling, and general puck possession. I'm not ashamed of our play, it's just that there is room for improvement between now and the beginning of next season.
4) I've been a supporter of Michigan hockey since the days of Karl Bagnell, Punch Cartier and that tiny 5-5 goaltender, Robbie Moore. In the days before Yost, you could smell Coach Renfrew's cigars in every crevice of the barn on Hill Street. But I am ashamed of the lack of support at Fort Wayne the last two nights. Do me a favor, Sean. Take two aspirin, maybe you'll feel better in the morning.
1) You suck at being a fan.
2) You have your head up your A$$.
3) You certainly did imply that our Wolverines are hacks.
4) You need to lighten up on a team that gave everything they had to extend their season.
5) You need to look up the definition of "supporter."
I agree I may have been slightly too critical, but you need to have thicker skin. I may have implied that they sometimes played like hacks, but didn't imply they were hacks. Yes, Hunwick saved their butts more often than not.Ok, saying "I have my head up my ass" is childish at best.
of sight and under his pad? We score on a loose puck and the goal is disallowed. I agree way too undisciplined and too many penalties but this one isn't sitting right. Go blue!
Fail.
This would probably be better as a standard board posting.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:08 AM ^
"This would probably be better as a standard board posting."
Or, the trash bin.
What rubbish.
"What is a standard board posting..help me out here.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:32 AM ^
With the exception of part of the thirst period, where Miami blew their wad, and Michigan stopped everything they had, we played them even or we dominated. Check the stats. Maybe, if you watched Saturday's game, you realized the energy that went into killing penalties, called in part due to lousy reffing, and the toll it took last night. The tank was empty dude.
Check the stats. And you sit there like a pompous ass suggesting they played like hacks?
Come on now, that is just not right.
Everyone knew the officials we're calling it tight, especially on MIchigan. Yes, the penalties were called in part by lousy officiating, but others were due to undisciplined play. Maybe the words "intramural hacks" are slightly too strong.
why is this rant a diary entry?
It should not be...it is ridiculous
He thinks he's a special snowflake and his words MUST be read by all.
'A special Snowflake', I've got to use that one!
I prefer, "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake..."
The team lost, in overtime, to the #1 overall seed in the country. The fans were loud enough, the support was there, and the kids played their hearts out. I know that it sucks to lose, but stop whining about it as if this was some horrible upset at the hands of an inferior team. I am incredibly proud of this team, but apparently you only support winners.
This diary is epic fail. If you have supported Michigan hockey for as long as you have said you do, then perhaps you would have gained some wisdom along the way. Perhaps enough wisdom that includes not calling the team "intramural hacks" and calling out the fans.
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"1)I’m not sure which end of the ice is worse, but this team is simply undisciplined with the puck. You’d sometimes think our squad was made up of intramural hacks, instead of future NHLers.
3)Our players work their butts off to provide an excellent level of hockey"
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So which is it? Do they suck or are they excellent?? I have to agree with others, this post is an epic fail.
This team has tremendous skating ability, but sometimes lacks in puck management decisions. In simpler terms, the team coughs the puck up way too much. That has nothing to do with overall effort and skill. It has just contributed to their undoing way too many times this season. My only complaint about the fans is that very few showed up.
because if you lose a game that you should have won on a bad call, well you probably should have tried harder the rest of the time.
And yet, sitting here 8 hours later, I'm about to blame officials because in the end, I can't come up with a way to explain how a team scores in OT and doesn't win. When you set a precedent as an official, it is your job, nay, your duty, to maintain that precedent in every call you make for the remainder of any athletic contest.
In baseball, your strike zone in the 1st inning had better be your strike zone in the 9th or you'll be the most hated Middle School ump in the whole league. A holding call in football had better be the same in the 1st and the 4th quarters or you'll be relegated to Pop Warner where your calls will be mitigated by the fact that the kids are 10. And when you allow a team to hack at a covered puck for seconds after it is covered by a goalkeeper, you had better let everyone hack away all night long and have just as slow a whistle, or everyone in the arena will know for a fact you don't know the rules of the very game you are trying to officiate. You might as well have thrown a volleyball net judge out there last night because at least there would have been an excuse for what I saw.
In the end, it was ugly sitting there with my 3 kids who I knew had school today but who I also knew would never forget a late night celebration and a trip to the Frozen Four. And in the end, as hard as it is for me to do, I have to admit the officials gifted last night's game to the RedHawks. I can excuse the penalty calls because at least they were consistently bizarre. But to blow your whistle early because 1) You lost sight of the puck for barely a second's time when you let a team hack away at a puck underneath a goalie's pad for 3 seconds earlier and 2)to CALL A PENALTY ON THE TEAM WHO WOULD HAVE LOST HAD YOU SWALLOWED THAT WHISTLE is not only insulting to my fan-hood, but also to my intelligence and to the team you robbed.
It seemed all night that the referees had a "loose interpretation" of the rules, but that specific call leaves little to no doubt in the rulebook as to when you are supposed to blow a whistle. A "touched" puck and a "possessed" puck are not the same thing. And no RedHawk within reaching distance of that puck had anything close to "possession" and that includes the goaltender.
And before I hear the "wah wah wah officals" reply from someone who wasn't there, you're darn right I'm angry. Both teams deserved better from the officials than they got last night. They deserved competence, and they got a clown show and an "I'm sorry". And now they get to go home and watch a team that lost the game play Boston College because an official couldn't be bothered to learn and understand his sport's own rulebook.
I AM an official. I do strive for consistency. Sometimes I mess up. But what I don't do is make up rules as I go along.
I've never agreed with the "don't blame the refs, you should have played harder" argument. Sometimes the game is close, sometimes you don't have what it takes to swamp the other team--that doesn't mean the refs should not be blamed when their mistake costs us the game. Michigan played the #1 team in the country last night and beat them, and yet we're going home--nothing about that says "Michigan should have played harder." (I know you're disagreeing with it in this particular case, I'm just saying I don't like the principle in general.)
As a side note, while the announcers thought it was stopped because of the penalty, I definitely think it was stopped because the ref didn't see the puck and thought the goalie had frozen it; it's possible that's not the case but it seems to be the more plausible explanation.
Not trying to be a douche, but instead to make sure you got the same info I found...
"A few stories emerged on what happened during the ensuing review, but the verdict rendered to the media was that the whistle had blown to assess the penalty to Miami, presumably because the officials on ice lost sight of the puck under Knapp."
When I'm sitting in the 10th row at center ice and I can see the puck still loose in the crease, that's pretty bad that the official can miss that.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:50 PM ^
No need to prefix your post, additional information is always appreciated. Perhaps the confusion is if I wasn't clear: the ref clearly made a mistake, no matter why he blew the play dead.
My point is that I don't think the penalty is really relevant--if the ref loses site of the puck under Knapp, he whistles the play dead whether these there is a penalty or not. A few people had argued that it was the contact with the puck that stopped the penalty (i.e. the ref knew the puck was still lose but the goalie had enough control that the penalty should be assessed) and I'm disagreeing with that idea--instead I think that the ref thought the goalie had control of the puck as you now confirmed.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^
Is there a way to delete the original post and replace it with yours?
What about the fact that Michigan's players were so gassed at the end of the game it looked like they were skating in sand, but still managed a 20-6 advantage in shots on goal in OT (not to mention scoring once and blistering another off the crossbar)?
To compare these kids to intramural hacks after the effort they've put forth the last month is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read on these boards. Congratulations.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:13 AM ^
GTFO if you're ashamed to be a Wolverine. Jackass.
It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^
"I'm ashamed to be a Wolverine."
Really?
Why don't you go post your bullshit somewhere else.
I'm ashamed that he's a Wolverine as well.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:16 AM ^
to be a Michigan Wolverine.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:50 AM ^
This jackass just posted the same garbage as a comment on a michigandaily article.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:56 AM ^
Thank you for your opinion. Now either lace up your skates, or sit down and shut the hell up.
Sincerely,
The intramural hacks who took the #1 team in the country to double-overtime for a trip to the Frozen Four"
March 29th, 2010 at 11:35 AM ^
1. Nice font.
2. "I'm ashamed to be a Wolverine." Then change your name to OhioFats and get off our board.
At the risk of seeming like I'm piling on, fuck off, Fats.
It's people like you, who like to reminisce about short goalies and cigar smoke from the 70s and get "irked" when a team you've called "hacks" goes above and beyond what was expected of them at the end of the regular season because it just isn't enough.
Look back longingly at whatever the hell you want to justify that you're a "supporter", but when these intramural scrubs are running roughshod over everybody in the near future, we don't want you on our bandwagon. Football and basketball probably won't have you either.
It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
Resorting to childish name calling doesn't hide the fact that you can't handle a little criticism from a frustrated fan.
"Frustrated" and "ashamed to be a Wolverine" are two very different things. We're all frustrated, you just had to handle it in an utterly moronic way. Choose your words carefully in these parts, else you'll "childishly" be called out for the total assclown you are.