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Submitted by GhostofJermain… on December 10th, 2020 at 11:16 AM

As mentioned the other day, staff feels like they may be on the wrong end of the Donovan Edwards recruitment.  However, after listening to this interview with coach Ron Bellamy and Sam Webb it sounds like we are not out of it yet.  Also you can feel how much RB still loves his alma mater in this clip, which got me thinking would he or Thomas Wilcher consider coming home to pull the boys out the mud?     IMO, it would shore up one of our biggest issues, (state of Michigan recruiting) that has been plaguing us since Tyrone Wheatley departed.  Not to beat a dead horse, but one of these guys and Albert Karchnia I think would make a huge difference, and most importantly immediately!  

The state of Michigan 21 and 22 classes are both very top heavy and arguably some of the best classes in recent memory.  Securing DE and having a stronger shot at Will Johnson, Josh Burnham, Myles Rowser, Antonio Gates Jr, and Dillon Tatum would be ideal!  

Sam Webb response was very interesting, therefore I figured I would share (not sure if link worked or whatever) 

 

Update: No new news on the JH front.  My contacts think JH is considering NFL, but most likely staying.  Also sounds like under no circumstance is he fired.  Regarding the staff, hard for me to believe widespread change is coming if JH stays. I simply don't see him firing his son, Ed Warriner, Sherone Moore, or Josh Gattis.  Gun to my head, maybe BShoop, BMcDaniels, MDudek, and MZordich get upgraded/processed.. 

If you give me a magic wand, run it back with Mike Hart, Albert Karchnia, Ron Bellamy, Kellen Moore (or some version of a qb coach/co-oc) and Larry Foote or Marcus Freeman as DC. 

one more thing: speaking to one of LFickell college roomates, he said I'm putting wayy to much stock in LF bleeding Scarlet and Gray.  In fact, he said LF has an axe to grind, that he felt disrespected after being tasked to lead the 2011 team under sanctions, LF admits he probably wasn't ready for the OSU job then, but to not get an interview in 2019 was a slight, and motivation potentially.   

Cheers  

Sam thinks he will be a coach

Brian Griese

December 10th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^

I go back and forth. I would be fine with either, but the part I would most love about Fickell is the chip on his shoulder. We all make fun of Mork but I’ll be honest: I loved how they played with a massive chip on their shoulder in his early years. It’s something I wish Michigan would emulate instead of the arrogance nonsense and I think Fickell could set that tone. 

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crg

December 10th, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^

I still believe that Cincinnati to the Big 12 is best for both.  Opens Ohio recruiting to the Big 12 schools (and Texas to Cincinnati), gives Cincinnati P5 status and the Big 12 a larger viewer footprint, and gives a close conference foe to WVU - who is otherwise oddly isolated and disconnected from the rest of the Big 12.

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1VaBlue1

December 10th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^

Don Canham hired Schembechler because he was the best young coach available, not because he used to work for Woody Hayes.  Canham took input from various coaches and football men (not only pro-UM, but also competitors) and made his hire based on potential.

The same things that worked in Bo/Don's favor may not necessarily work out for Fickell/Manuel.  Hiring Fickell simply because he used to work for Jim Tressel/OSU would be the dumbest fucking move that Manuel could make.

Now, weighing the pros and cons of Fickell vs other candidates would be a fantastic idea.  If Manuel based his hire on that type of scale, I'd accept whoever he hires with full support.

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Ghost of Fritz…

December 10th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^

Meh.  Campbell's guys play with a chip in their shoulders too. 

Remember his player saying '5-star culture versus 5-star players'? 

Read this and tell me what is not to like about Campbell and the culture he has instilled at ISU... 

https://siouxcityjournal.com/sports/college/iowa-states-five-star-culture-beats-five-star-players/article_f1c0c91a-7bd6-5b6d-8939-bc5c2f9f9a92.html

It is all there.  Chip on shoulder.  Relying on fundamentals and technique.  Staying mentally strong when behind.  Players believe they can get it done.  Guys making key plays in crunch time.

Not saying that there are no uncertainties with Campbell (there always are with any HC hire).

But I AM SAYING that on the chip on the shoulder/program culture issues it is hard to see Campbell being behind Fickell on that metric.

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trueblueintexas

December 10th, 2020 at 12:55 PM ^

While I appreciate the comment being good motivation for ISU players, does it play at Michigan where there is supposed to be five star culture with five star players? That has always been my one question about Campbell. The thing that makes him a good recruiter at an ISU probably does not work at Michigan. If he can adapt his message and keep a good culture, great. If not, the recruiting fizzles pretty quick.

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Ghost of Fritz…

December 10th, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^

There is no such thing as a HC hire without risks and uncertainties.

I would argue the opposite.  Recruiting to produce a winning team is not easy at Iowa State.  If he can do it there, then he should be able to do it at a place where the recruiting advantages are abundant.

Again, there are no guarantees.  But Campbell is getting results above ISU's recruiting rankings. 

To me a risk with Campbell (or Fickell) is that he might not be able to get a highest level assistants to come to Michigan.  But this is always a question when one hire a 41-year old that coached at a MAC school and then one of the historically bottom dozen P5 schools. 

OTOH, what other guy that M could hire this cycle is going to automatically hire the hottest assistants?  Maybe the Clemson OC?  Not sure.

And if Harbaugh stays on a lower buy out 'prove it' contract, will heeven be able to attract the most sought after assistants.

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My Name is LEGIONS

December 10th, 2020 at 2:49 PM ^

Morks chip on his shoulder was put there, by Bill MARTIN, who didnt understand the rivalry history, at the moment when Carr wanted to retire, and Martin made him stay on another two years, which crushed our recruiting,   instead of replacing him with the one guy who could beat Tressel and OSU more than any other at the time.

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Brian Griese

December 10th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^

Thanks for the update. I can make sense out this post and I can get behind Harbaugh adding Bellamy to the staff if he sticks around. 
 

What you confirmed is almost word for word what I speculated about Fickell yesterday in one of the 976 threads on the subject though someone continued to peddle the notion he wouldn’t come. The dude was given a ball of shit in 2011 then not even given an interview in 2018 when he’d become at least worthy of one for the job. You don’t think that guy would love to shove it up their ass while getting a healthy raise?

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Seth

December 10th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^

I love Ron Bellamy but Michigan is best served by leaving him where he is, because Farmington Hills Harrison is no more, and West Bloomfield is going to be that pipeline as long as Bellamy is there. Southfield tried, and Oak Park is hanging around nabbing some kids that wouldn't be as interested in Michigan anyways, but West Bloomfield is going to be a pipeline for a long time.

Wilcher I wouldn't mind so much because it's about time he get his college shot, and Michigan is hurting in Detroit so much right now that they need someone with his credibility. I might worry about Cass Tech falling into the wrong hands but if Wilcher's at Michigan that's moot.

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