"Substitution with the Intent to Deceive"

Submitted by WichitanWolverine on

Someone please explain it to me. 10 point swing right there in my opinion.

Go Blue.

Mod edit: Here's the rule. Link. JGB.

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ARTICLE 2. a. No player shall conceal the ball in or beneath his clothing or equipment or substitute any other article for the ball.

b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V).

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Mr. Yost

November 7th, 2015 at 5:43 PM ^

But it was terrible because Butt was IN the huddle. It would've been understandable if he snuck in off the sideline. But he broke the huddle.

Rudock also reported it to the ref...you clearly see him turn to the ref and tell him what's going on.

What the 2nd half and count how many times the WRs break the huddle early just like Butt did.

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UM Fan from Sydney

November 7th, 2015 at 5:39 PM ^

It's not a rule. I do not give a fuck what the referees said. That was a perfectly legal play. One does not have to be in the fucking huddle. They punished Michigan for Rutgers' not paying attention.

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November 7th, 2015 at 5:39 PM ^

b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-IVII).



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Humen

November 7th, 2015 at 5:45 PM ^

Good job finding a plausible explanation, but that seems pretty vague. Because Butt was in (or around) the huddle, it seems like a stretch to say that play was associated with substitution. Hypothetically, if Butt was three yards closer to the OL, would it have been a penalty? There must be some spectrum here, and that fact makes it a really difficult call and I think still a stretch. Also, this rule is protecting the inattentiveness of the defense. That seems odd.



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cavebeaner

November 8th, 2015 at 12:13 AM ^

I was just discussing with my sister on the ride home from the game that if one were any sort of semi-consipiracy theorist, one could imagine that the B10 officials are being told by the B10 to rule on plays in such a way that keeps a particular number of B10 teams in the top 10 so as to attempt to make the conference relevant, despite the presence of Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue.

In other words, "Make sure MSU and OSU win to stay where they are."

Of course, this was before this evening's "Sparty-gate" so apparently I'm now a reformed semi-conspiracy theorist.

 

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SHub'68

November 7th, 2015 at 5:42 PM ^

too smart for Big Ten officials to keep up with. Officials: "Wha..? Where did that guy come from?" "I have no idea...must be a penalty." "OK, but what do we call?" "Beats me. But I felt pretty deceived by that. How 'bout something, something, with intent to deceive?" "Sounds good to me. Let's go with it."

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MFanWM

November 7th, 2015 at 5:44 PM ^

If you started to fine the crews in whole, and for every call that was so obviously bad fined the head of Big10 officiating about 10k for every single call that should have been made correctly, my guess is that they would get things right more often.

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cm2010

November 7th, 2015 at 5:44 PM ^

Unfair Tactics Rule 9-2-2
ARTICLE 2. a. No player shall conceal the ball in or beneath his clothing or equipment or substitute any other article for the ball.
b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-IVII).
c. No equipment may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 1-4-2-e).
PENALTY [a-c] 15 yards from the previous spot [S27]. Flagrant offenders shall be disqualified

It looks like the distinction is that a play action fake is a football move, while tricking someone through the substitution process or feigned confusion is not. It seems like a stupid rule, but whatever.

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wolfman81

November 7th, 2015 at 6:15 PM ^

Need to look at the approved rulings too. Most of them apply to kicking related situations. This is most appropriate. A1 leaves the field of play during a down� Team A huddles with 10 players� Substitute A12 enters, and A2 simulates leaving the field but sets near the sideline for a “hide-out’’ pass� RULING: Penalty—15 yards from the previous spot� This is a simulated replacement of a player to confuse opponents� Still does not seem appropriate. The scenario, as I saw it. 3 players come on. 3 players run off. After they have moved 15-20 yards, Butt breaks the huddle and lines up near the sideline. Rest of team breaks huddle. Oh wide open. Here's the thing, if only 2 had run off, and the third person had waited as long as Butt did to leave, Michigan gets flagged for 12 men in the huddle. I don't see a rule that says that all players must break the huddle simultaneously.

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Surferrosy

November 7th, 2015 at 5:44 PM ^

Isn't intent to deceive the whole point of every single play in every single game? Otherwise why would they have 3-4 "fake" dudes wearing face towels and holding up idiot signs? Why wouldn't they just invite every other team to watch all of their practices and learn all of their plays? Absolutely ridiculous.



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