State of the Program in 2019

Submitted by scfanblue on November 30th, 2019 at 7:45 PM

I waited for the dust to settle a bit (even though it never really does) after the annual ass whipping at the hands of the Buckeyes today. There are a few items to look at. 

#1- Harbaugh has done a GOOD job elevating the program to winning 9-10 games per year from the depths of where it was six years ago. Michigan is NOT going to fire him and the only way he leaves is on his own. This is the longest he has stayed anywhere so he is invested in the program. Michigan is better with Harbaugh and he can win another 10 games this year with a bowl win. 

#2- Although he is stubborn to the core and it took him 4 years to do so-He finally hired an OC and Gattis will be a good one especially for recruiting. Harbaugh is evolving as a coach BUT he need sto evolve even more.   

#3- This will receive some negatives from this board BUT the truth hurts. Don Brown is an AVERAGE DC because he is terrible against good offenses and the record against them proves it 100%. In 4 games that he has coached against OSU-his defenses has given up 179 points and over 1000 yards! Yes he is a nice funny guy in an interview but he needs to retire or Michigan will always be 9-3 or 10-2 with him leading the defense. He will never stop Ryan Day at OSU or anyone else with a decent offense. Also, his defensive recruiting is a bit to be desired as well as well as putting the right players on the field. 

#4- USE the transfer portal and find a QB- I don't want to hear squat about McCaffrey. If he was so great then he would have started over Patterson. He is a runner and Michigan needs a dual threat QB to fit the new offense. Ohio State decided not to go with Joe Burrow and found Justin Fields! Harbaugh can do the same. 

#5- Ohio State has adapted every year the game has changed and it does so every year. Especially with the playoffs. They LOST 9 players from last years offense and went out in February and found a QB and they play the BEST players on the field and do not worry about the fact that a Senior may not play. Harbaugh and his staff are still in the 1980's and 1990's and this results in 8,9 maybe 10 wins per year. 

UMxWolverines

November 30th, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^

The sad fact is, the program is no where closer to competing with OSU than when Harbaugh got here, and that's something not I nor a single one of you expected in 2019. 

My uncle finally vowed to give up his season tickets for next year after 45 years today and can't say I blame him. You're going to see much more apathy than just him with the ever increasing prices, shit home schedule, and continous good but not great teams. 

The Mad Hatter

November 30th, 2019 at 8:43 PM ^

In some ways we are a lot closer, after all dont forget we had 3 losing seasons out of the 7 immediately preceding Harbaugh. Something I never expected to see. We're at least better than that now.

But out best games against OSU were in 16 and 17. We could have won either with a fully functional QB. Since then we've been blown out twice, despite a couple of highly ranked recruiting classes.

Last year we thought the offense was the problem. Harbaugh agreed and made a change.

As far as I'm concerned he needs to fire Brown and bring in a young hotshot that can recruit his ass off. The defense is clearly the problem.

 

BahamaMama

November 30th, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^

Right there with your uncle. We are giving up our family’s tickets after 30 years. Ten others that we tailgate with are doing the same, for exactly the reasons that you mention. Used to take a week to get over a loss like today. Not anymore, in fact almost looking forward to being able to just change the channel next fall when/if this type of game occurs.

SouthOfHeaven

November 30th, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^

Agree on #3. That was pure garbage, no doubt about it.

Otherwise, I think we've finally found ourselves a good, modernized offense. McCaffrey could be pretty good now that he'll be getting first team reps next year, and we've got a lot of young talent on that side of the ball. Charbonnet, Haskins, Jackson, Sainristil, Bell... the potential for something special next season is there.

However, we're going to need more than this gimmicky defense if we're to win anything meaningful.

ThadMattasagoblin

November 30th, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^

We are always two steps behind them. Where this team really falls behind is in the offseason. We never look great coming out of fall camp and it seems to take us half the season to figure out what we want to do. See last year's ND game, the Utah game and Rudock's early struggles, and this year's Army and Wisconsin game. They always look quite prepared early in the season and build from there.

btn

November 30th, 2019 at 8:05 PM ^

I would also add that Harbaugh has vanquished Dantonio....we talk about recruiting with Ohio State...but Michigan seemed to have taken the state back from Michigan State definitively 

Sparty Doesn't Know

November 30th, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^

#1 - not hard to do when wins over Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, 2 OOC games, MSU and 2 garbage B1G West teams should guarantee a floor of 8 wins.  Not declaring Harbaugh the messiah for going 1-3 or 2-2 vs the good teams.

#2 - Let's not forget the offense was atrocious for half the year.  Let's also not forget that poor coaching decisions and stupid wildcat play calls hold it back.

#3 - Agree totally.  Don Brown's defense is a joke

#4 - Why on earth would a top level QB go to Michigan through the transfer portal when playoff teams will gladly pay for their services?

#5 - So OSU can field a world beating offense with 9 new starters and a transfer QB.  Michigan can't field a consistent offense with most of it's players back.

All of these items point to significantly inferior coaching and even more proof that house needs to be cleaned from the top down.  Georgia did with Mark Richt, OSU did it with Cooper.  It is time as Harbaugh is taking this team nowhere.

SalvatoreQuattro

November 30th, 2019 at 8:30 PM ^

UM was switching to an entirely different offense with a new OC. OSU was not.

Transfer QB accepting payments says nothing about coaching.

UM has been worse or equal to Harbaugh’s performance since forever. You seem to think UM is capable of something it hasn’t done since Yost.

 

You suffer from delusions of grandeur.

UMxWolverines

November 30th, 2019 at 8:46 PM ^

How was MSU able to achieve said levels of "grandeur" but it's asking too much for us to? 

Also OSU has been performing better than their historical average for going on 20 years now...that's why they just overtook us in win percentage. Again, took much for us to overachieve sometimes? 

We had NFL talent galore in the 90s and 2000s and squandered it. 

thelomasbrowns

November 30th, 2019 at 8:16 PM ^

We're on a similar level to Wisconsin and PSU, as evidenced by us trading home victories with them.  OSU is on a different level, probably due to their willingness to use shady recruiting tactics coupled with sustained success. It will take some huge unforced error by them, or getting busted by the NCAA, or name and image rights being restored for us to ever pull even.

bfeeavveerr

November 30th, 2019 at 8:18 PM ^

With Michigan's resources a coach worth having would have built a team that can compete with the top echelon of college football . I thought Jim was a great hire. ..... I was wrong.

1VaBlue1

November 30th, 2019 at 8:22 PM ^

Hinton and Smith weren't ready, so put your best players on the field - 4 DE's.  The result was all day to throw for Fields.  Coverage downfield was okay, but that can only last for so long.  Brown did a great job with the defense all year, but (again) didn't have the horses to close the deal.  Coverage bounced between man and different zones, and the busts were clear when big plays happened.  A lot of bandaids made it look good against all but the very best competition.  Its not a coaching problem, its a personnel problem.  Recruiting needs to get WAY better on the defensive side - especially DT and CB.  So long as those two positions are weak, they will require bandaids.  And this is what happens to bandaids.

Its very unfortunate that the offensive kept shooting itself in the foot.

Blue_Bull_Run

November 30th, 2019 at 8:22 PM ^

It's probably a good thing I dont get paid for this, because I got no idea how to catch OSU. It's clear that their far deeper and far more talented, but I don't really know how they got to be that way. I strongly suspect there's a little too much "extra" going on in the recruiting game. But one, I can't prove it (although Chase Young basically showed it for all of us), and two, I don't know what to do about it. I doubt the current administration would be ok with getting dirtier. Best hope is for some sort of game changer from the NCAA. 

LOL UofM Arrogance

November 30th, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^

As I read the threads on this chat line it is unbelievable that you superior Michigan Men don't have a clue of what is going on.  While you say OSU is cheating in recruiting, let's not forget the fab five, U of M and OSU recruit the same way.  The issue is that from the top down, yes harbaugh is the leader, you whine about every call, questionable or not. recruits see this and want to be on a winning team, not a whining team.  Replay the game, fox cant even show your bench anymore because it is all the same.  grow up, OSU has your number.

 

TomBradyBunch

November 30th, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^

This isn’t the same Jim who coached in a super bowl. It’s been speculated on this forum that he likely has a touch of autism, and now it appears his health issues have gotten worse. I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s noticed he’s wearing diabetes glasses? It’s possible he doesn’t know they’re diabetes glasses, and just like the look of them, but I fear the worst. I hope Jim takes care of himself and gets back to the sort of football rain man that terrorized USC. 

ijohnb

November 30th, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^

He snuck up on a couple of meh USC teams that Carrol was starting to lose control of, he wasn’t beating like 04 USC.  
 

The discussions about what is “wrong” with Harbaugh etc. have been covered.  He seemed to be in a funk for a while but looked to return to himself this year, at least to me.

 

I honestly would like to know how Michigan practices during OSU week.  Our team had 0 energy today.  We put together a couple of nice offensive drives with some scripted stuff but there was no organic energy on either side of the ball.  Looked the same way last year.  I don’t think this shit about “Michigan doesn’t take the rivalry seriously” is horseshit, but there does seem to be a systemic issue with the way we prepare for The Game.

Winning Wolverines

November 30th, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^

Looking forward, I’m putting my hope in how we have looked since the second half of the Penn State game until today.  The Michigan State and Notre Dame games were really enjoyable.  Not only did we win big, but it was fun to watch.  Even in the first half today, who really expected us to throw for 250 yards on OSU?   Sure, it took longer for the new offense to click, but the upside from this system change is worth it.  The old grind it out approach was not only ineffective against elite teams, but it wasn’t very fun to watch.  If we can continue to open things up on offense, and put up big numbers, it will also help us to attract more elite recruits.  Which will lead to even more success.

Regarding the defense, Don Brown generally responds well after a poor performance.  This is the first time his D has had back to back poor performances against the same team.  Part of this is coaching, part is talent, and part is execution.  Our D was relatively young this year.   If Don Brown comes back, and I hope he does, we will be better next year.   

I believe the coaching staff takes these losses as hard as we do.  This has led to positive changes:  a new OC and offensive scheme, and new defensive adjustments, like zone and bracket coverage, which will also pay dividends over time.  It’s tough to have urgency and patience at the same time, but we need them both right now.

TennesseeMaize

November 30th, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^

I appreciate your reasonableness. I’m not sure about Don Brown. These are incredibly bad defensive performances two years in a row, but the reality is that CFB need to be won on offense, so I’m excited to see what Gattis can do over time. We’ll need to shootout a win against OSU, we will not be able to hold them to under 30 pts with any DC 

TennesseeMaize

November 30th, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^

Agree with your 1-3 points, but 4 and 5 are a stretch. 
 

Donny needs to go. I was On the bandwagon to save his job before this game. He is very much like Hoke. Way over his head at This level. 
 

On pt 4: I am actually not that excited about McCaffrey, but really hope to see Milton. His arm, power, speed could be a deadly combination with this offense. McCaffrey may turn out great, but something just feels like he is going to be Patterson-esque. I think a transfer portal solution is short sighted OSU was guaranteed to suck with Tate Martell, so it made sense. 
 

on pt 5: I hate to be that guy, but it’s too easy to just talk about recruiting/transferring better players without actually acknowledging the elephant in the room: pay for play. Chase Young was OBVIOUSLY paid per his silly suspension. He was the only one caught. Until all teams are either paying or being punished for playing, we will never find ourselves on equal playing field with OSU recruiting. 

BlueMk1690

November 30th, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^

The state of the program is that of a 2nd tier program nationally. Somewhere between 10 and 20. That seems to be the ceiling with Harbaugh. Is it enough? Well 8-10 wins isn't the worst we can do. It might be the best we can do without a legit re-orientation in terms of doing whatever it takes to win.

Gimmiedat87

November 30th, 2019 at 8:53 PM ^

But Sabans D just got lit up again for 40+, I guess they should fire him to.  It happens. Great O gonna put up points. M just simply doesn’t have to horses. And it’s been that way for some time. It’s a harsh reality 

UMVAFAN

November 30th, 2019 at 8:59 PM ^

Michigan is in a better spot right now than than several historical blue bloods like Texas, USC, Florida State, Miami, Nebraska, and Tennessee. We're on equal footing with PSU, Wisconsin and Notre Dame. We've taken ownership of the MSU rivalry again after getting owned for nearly a decade. We're back to averaging 9-10 wins per year like we did for 40 years prior to Rich Rod and Hoke. The only deficiency is the toughest to swallow - completely getting dominated by OSU (which isn't new, has been going on since the death of Bo, but is something we thought Harbaugh would remedy). The real question is: would Michigan slide back to real mediocrity if Harbaugh is fired or leaves? Not beating OSU hurts, but it was much, much worse and will not slide to those depths under Harbaugh.

Squad16

November 30th, 2019 at 9:18 PM ^

The thing is though, it will. Maybe not all the way, but it will inevitably slide somewhat. Losing like this every year at a program like Michigan that tries to talk the talk, and given its our biggest rival, will have a significant and cumulative negative effect on recruiting. 

 

I don't think Harbaugh will be fired yet and don't think he should, but at some point this isn't enough. If this gets to 6 or 7 years, I'd rather take the chance of a drop-off with the chance for some upside we know we'll probably never get under him. The other thing is we just need OSU to take a step back somehow. We need them to fuck up because we can't catch them if they continue full steam ahead. 

The Homie J

November 30th, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^

If Harbaugh loses again, then our program needs to look around.  You can't hope to recruit on Penn State or Ohio State's level while getting your ass handed to them every year.  Look how fast MSU fell off when we reasserted dominance over them.  If Harbaugh can't get it done, then for the sake of the program's future, we need new blood to offer hope to recruits that we're not just the blue blood who always loses their most important game each year.