Stalions suspended with pay for duration of investigation
Don't shoot the messenger
October 20th, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^
More likely because you touch yourself at night.
October 20th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
NTTAWWT
October 20th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
What is Michigan supposed to do? Let him continue doing his job while being harassed by opposing fans, players, and staff?
October 20th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
So that he can scout OSU vs PSU in person.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^
Fuck Pete Thamel.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^
Send him to the OSU/PSU game.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
You win today! Well done!
October 20th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^
chess not checkers
October 20th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^
That's awesome. I've somehow never seen that. I love the old vcr recording quality.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:57 PM ^
Same here. Totally missed that one, likely because it came from the Jim Belushi lean years a SNL. Great skit though.
October 20th, 2023 at 4:55 PM ^
The very first time I knew Jim Belushi even existed was when I was in HS and saw him perform as a member of the Second City troupe in Chicago. At the time he was “John’s younger brother.” I mean maybe he still is and ever will be. “Toga… toga.. toga…”
October 20th, 2023 at 5:14 PM ^
Interesting. I saw him there too. "Dead man, dead. Sheet over the head. Right freaking there. English lit ain't worth shit." and my companion was an English Lit major. Yikes.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:41 PM ^
I'll be in Seattle scouting our future playoff opponent Washington.
October 20th, 2023 at 6:21 PM ^
Same. I'll be at the Utah game. I'll make sure to film the sidelines for the duration. Ill film Utah too. Just in case we ever have to play them again in the future.
Just for fun, I'll wear all my Michigan gear and have a sign saying I am stealing UWs signs for the playoffs.
October 20th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
Sporting a "Vast Network" shirt.
October 20th, 2023 at 6:22 PM ^
Good point. Going to need that shirt now.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
Warde might be one of the worst ADs in the country
October 20th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^
I am starting to agree that Warde should leave sooner rather than later.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
Hey Warde, why not just shout to the world that you think UM is guilty
October 20th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^
It’s a medical mystery that Warde Manuel is able to stand upright without a spine.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^
Should give U-M Hospital an automatic 10-spot boost in the U.S. News Rankings
October 20th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^
Might?
October 20th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^
Warde is not likely making these decisions in a vacuum, but in consultation with Jim, Ohno, and a lot of other people. People who reflexively call for his head every time that he doesn't get angry at the NCAA probably need to develop a more supple world view. I've had my issues with u policy off and on for decades, but believe me, he talks things through with a lot of people--and obtains some consensus--before acting, if he wants to keep his job.
Unfortunately, always leaping to play by the books and come clean in a world where no one is clean doesn't always redound to Michigan's credit; we've seen that enough. But if that is the stance, it's not because Warde chose it by himself.
October 20th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^
There's no "might be" in this sentence. He's definitely one of the worst ADs in the country. He might be THE worst AD in the country.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
I cannot, for the life of me, understand Warde's/AD's approach to these issues. Why suspend now, rather than after an investigation has concluded. This suggests culpability before any investigation or findings have been reached. If Warde thinks self-flagellation will make Michigan's opponents happy, he's engaging in polyanna.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
I tend to think "with pay" means we don't think you are culpable and we are just being cautious and avoiding the PR hit. "Without pay" tends to mean we think you did it
October 20th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^
Absolutely correct. It is a judgment punishment--I.e., we don't have a basis for termination but want to disassociate. The question is why would Michigan do so now, when the eyes of the college football world are on it and when an NCAA decision/findings are months away? Seems to fuel the narrative and risk distracting players and team.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
I would think it's more about caution at this point. If nobody, including Harbaugh, is aware of what was potentially happening, they're going to put the *possible* culprit on the sidelines until they get to the bottom of it, mostly for their own liability going forward from this point.
It's really not much different than when a cop gets pulled off duty after an officer involved shooting. There's an investigation into you ongoing, you haven't been found guilty of anything, but we also can't risk having you work while we figure it out.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
I agree. It's pretty common for employers to place someone on leave if they are under investigation whether they are "with pay" or "without pay" can often times be an indicator of the perceived level of trouble that person/company is in.
I think this is an appropriate step by Warde to give the appearance they are taking this seriously while at the same time not showing guilt.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^
It makes a lot of sense actually. Suspending him now means future opponents can’t whine about losing. If he continued to participate and was later found to have “cheated,” then all these wins would be tainted (according the our opponents at least).
October 20th, 2023 at 4:22 PM ^
Sign stealing aside, the whining of future opponents is one of my favorite things about winning.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
I mean, if they don't do anything now and then something does come out you just add more fuel to the fire and, potentially, expose UM to further punishment. The fact he's being paid leads me to believe they are more supportive of him than, say, when MSU suspended Mel Tucker without pay after the Tracy situation came to light. I believe UM also suspended Matt Weiss without pay before he was fired.
I know this place hates Warde Manuel with a passion but I think it's probably good he's in this job and not a bunch of people (not saying you OP) on this site because otherwise UM would be an absolute shitshow the minute anything bad happened.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^
Because that's how it works. He's currently at the center of an on-going investigation. If this were happening at either of our rivals, and they didn't suspended the individual in question, we'd be calling that out.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
This is standard operating procedure for ANY company worth its salt when an employee is under an investigation for behavior that, if confirmed, could lead to termination.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
Warde bends the knee to the false god of Public Relations.
He does not ever play offense, only deflects from himself to make himself look good to the people he really wants to like him. None of those people are in the Michigan football program. And also, none of those people are ever going to like Warde Manuel either, they will just tolerate him.
He’s a low energy Michigan employee, plain and simple
October 20th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
At least wait for the NCAA to provide preliminary evidence. It wouldn't be "with pay" if he admitted any wrongdoing, so Warde is basing that action solely on the accusation.
October 20th, 2023 at 7:44 PM ^
Because he only has one career outlet after he gets canned…working for the NCAA!
October 20th, 2023 at 9:04 PM ^
Michigan has to suspend Stalions. If it turns out that he was guilty and Michigan was still using him, then Michigan has no "we were unaware" defense.
It doesn't imply anything about a belief in guilt or innocence. It just avoids the worst-case scenario where Michigan had reason to believe his work might be tainted by then knowingly used it anyway.
October 20th, 2023 at 10:11 PM ^
It's the NCAA- you are guilty until proven innocent. And Warde agrees.
October 20th, 2023 at 10:23 PM ^
This kind of suspension with pay is par for the course wrt ongoing investigations into potential non-compliance. Not at all self-flagellation or admission of guilt.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
Let's now go and beat PSU and OSU by 30.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
By at least 40. That decision has already been made.
October 20th, 2023 at 4:06 PM ^
i mean, it will be so hilarious that we will be the ones hanging the hundred.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
Gotta admit, that does not look good at all.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
I mean, we saw Warde bend over backward to not defend our people during the burger investigation, so this does not surprise me at all.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:02 PM ^
Even though it is with pay? Truly asking. Would think anything meaningful that NCAA could show would be grounds to just fire him now or suspend without pay.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
Suspension with pay means that there are serious allegations that require investigation, but there is currently no proof of said allegations.
October 20th, 2023 at 3:04 PM ^
There are two ways this is going to go, they are not at all similar and I think odds sit at about 60/40 right now.
1. This guy is really good at analyzing film and identifying tendencies and there is absolutely nothing here.
2. They have a shit load on this, it was real, and this is going to be very bad.
Nothing about this has made any sense, but that is based on the assumptions that there is something but it is "not very bad." If you remove those two assumptions you are left with the two possibilities above and it makes a lot more sense either way.
"With pay" is actually a good development IMO.