Spring Practice in South Africa or Brazil next year

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via Baumgardner... Michigan's head coach said Saturday in Rome that he'd like to take the team to either South Africa or Brazil next spring for a similar trip the group is currently experiencing in Rome. "We'll get together as a team and decide, but I'd really like to go to Cape Town or Johannesburg," he said. "One of those two." http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/04/jim_harbaugh_plans_to…

MichiganMAN47

April 29th, 2017 at 9:12 AM ^

First, I hope the spring practice tradition continues. South Africa would be great. Second, Very seldom do I disagree with Harbaugh, but having a game overseas would be difficult from this fan's perspective.

Mr. Yost

April 29th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^

I'm jealous they got to go to Italy...seeing the history of the world is so facisnating. Especially when it hits you up close how old the world is and how young the US is.

I had the opportunity to go to Rio for the World Cup, best time of my life...no close second.

Rio's probably the only place I'd go in Brazil, but it was amazing. I'd like to do Argentina/Chile next and then bucket list travel another continent.

I think I'll try and save Europe for last, I could be wrong...but just because it feels the most like America. I feel like you have to get the adventures out of the way first. Would love to go down unda and hit the outback as well. And not that declining one up the street with the buttery food that doesn't compare to anything made locally.

Mr. Yost

April 29th, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^

I've heard the same...however, Sau Paulo doesn't have the history of Rio.

So it's got much better nightlife, beaches are similar, shopping and infrastructure is WAY better.

That said, if I'm going to do Brazil, I've got to see the history...even if Sau Paulo may be a "cooler" city. I'm not fortunate enough to do it all, so I've got to pick and choose, lol. But I could totally see if you were Brazilian why you'd think Sau Paulo is better.

I think it's just a matter of perception. If you're Brazilian and you've done Rio a couple of times, there's no real reason to continue doing it when you've seen it. Meanwhile you can go to a city that offers you more fun and a better experience.

I've done the Times Square New Year's thing...I mean it's cool once, but there is absolutely no reason to ever do it twice. Honestly, I think the monuments in DC are the only man made touristy thing in America I'd do more than once. Those same cities are a lot more fun if you don't do the tourist stuff. 2 summers ago I did NYC for the first time without the tourist experience...I had an effing BLAST. Did Boston on the same trip and it was a great time as well.

In Baltimore, Fells Point is better than the Inner Harbor, Downtown Orlando is better than Disney, South Beach isn't really the best part of Miami, I've never been to LA but I'd assume it holds true there too. Once you've done the experience and overpriced tourist stuff, at least for me, that's plenty...just take me to the local stuff, the fun, etc.

TrueBlue2003

April 29th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

is inland so it doesn't have beaches (there are some not TOO far away but you're not on the beach like in Rio).  From my experience, it's like Milan compared to Rome.  Northern Italians will tell you Milan is far superior because it's more hard-working, industrious, has better shopping, better infrastructure, etc.  Like Sao Paolo, they'll say it is the better place to LIVE, because when you live in a place you care more about those things and less about monuments and history and culture and things that you don't appreciate as much when you actually have to live real life.

But you're absolutely right that Rio (and Rome) has the better history and culture and "fun" for visitors so easily the better places for travelers are Rome and Rio, compared to Milan and Sao Paulo if you're going to pick one place to go once (although the latter two are good in their own right, especially if you want to see the economic powerhouses of each respective country).

MichiganMAN47

April 29th, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^

I hear Brazil has a bit of a crime problem, especially if you are perceived to be an affluent American. My understanding is that you have to be careful at night even driving in your car, did you experience anything like that?

I Like Burgers

April 29th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

Was in Rio for the Olympics, and you basically need to be on alert at all times and even then its probably not enough.  They have some very, VERY good pickpockets there.  Had a few colleagues that had phones taken out of their pockets just after they put them in there, and one had a watch taken right off his arm walking through a restaurant.

Outside of that though normal common sense applies.  Like dont go to bad or semi-bad areas at night and you're fine.

And maybe skip the sightseeing trip to the favelas.

TrueBlue2003

April 29th, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^

a singular place, in terms of travel.  There is SO much to do and see that you couldn't do the continent justice even if you went there two weeks a year for the rest of your life, especially if you're interested in history.  That's what's unique about Europe that can't be found anywhere outside of maybe Japan (and the scale of Japan is nowhere near Europe): the density of amazing things is startling. You can take an hour long train ride and be in a place that looks and sounds and tastes (if it still feels somewhat western) completely different.  If you're a regular traveler, highly recommend you get at least a taste of Europe before too long because if you like it, you're going to be glad you didn't wait for last.

It's only the most like America in the sense that it is developed and there are mostly white people there (so it definitely is less exotic than Asia, S. America, Africa, etc).  But Australia is far more like a America than Europe, IMO.  Former British colony, English speaking, relatively newly developed country without a long history.  The urban centers feel like Canada with Californian climate, which is great, but not at all exotic. The only thing really different is the nature and if you're interested in outback adventures or the great barrier reef or things that are unique to the continent.

trustBlue

April 29th, 2017 at 1:08 PM ^

Saõ Paulo is cool, but its an inland city, so no beaches.  Chile is awesome, especially if you like outdoor stuff (hiking, skiing, etc.). I spent a week hiking through Chilean Patagonia in one of the most memorable trips of life.

In Argentina I've only been to Buenos Aires, which is pretty cool. Amazing architecture, it reminded me of a European city more than any place else in South America. One of the highlights of the trip was visiting the Recoletta Cemetary where Eva Perón and several other famous people were buried and the architecture was incredible throughout.

goblueram

April 29th, 2017 at 11:33 AM ^

You should definitely go to South Africa. Safari in Kruger is a borderline life changing experience. Cape Town is absolutely gorgeous. Shark cage diving is exhilarating and unique. Hiking and sightseeing various mountains and waterfalls readily available around SA. Warm water beaches of the Indian ocean in Durban. Cultural and historically interesting Joburg. The Cradle of Humankind where new species have been discovered. The list can go on and on!

ElBictors

April 29th, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^

Wonder if this benefactor(s) had already said they'd support future trips or if it's just assumed someone will pony up again. How awesome for the kids/team -- amazing experience!

swan flu

April 29th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

I don't think I'd advise anyone of reproductive age to go to Brazil without a metric ton of deet. At least not until it is better understood what the long term affects are of Zika

ElBictors

April 29th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^

My buddy traveled to Rio pre-Olympics for Coca Cola and had an armed driver in a truck configured with bullet proof glass and body. And he's just an HR exec Johannesburg is typically ranked 1st or 2nd (alternating with Mexico City) for kidnappings.

ElBictors

April 29th, 2017 at 11:27 AM ^

Completely defer to your first hand experience. I've had South African friends and would love to visit both (been to Italy) countries at some point. I'm sure the security detail for the M Team will be sufficient. And I'd like to see someone try to kidnap Rashan Gary ...biggest mistake they'd ever make! Ha ha

TrueBlue2003

April 29th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

Cape Town with Los Angeles, Johannesburg with New York and Rio with Miami and that's exactly what foreigners and most Americans think (not wrongly) about our cities.  Like anywhere in the world, don't wander into dark alleys at night, don't get drunk and cause trouble and don't try to sell drugs in someone else's territory (or really anywhere at all) and your odds of trouble will be reduced to negligible.

I Like Burgers

April 29th, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^

Just employ some common sense and you're typically fine.  Same for visiting any major US city with its mix of nice areas and bad areas.

Like if you listened to all of the news reports about violence and shootings in Chicago, no one would ever go there.  But there's plenty of nice places to go, its a giant city, avoid the shitty parts.

The key to traveling abroad is to just know where the shitty parts to avoid are.

Mr. Yost

April 29th, 2017 at 10:58 AM ^

I went to Rio 3 years ago...I didn't find it dangerous at all. No more than NYC, Detroit, Miami.

Now it is, I know, but Rio (which is not a reflection of all of Brazil) is not this crazy place of violence. It's not Narcos. Is it there? Yes. But if you're smart, you're fine.

If you want to make yourself a target...you'll probably have some trouble in Rio. It's not a place to be a loud American or to be someone nosey walking around like you're in a museum. But if you go because you want to be part of the people and the culture - no issues. Save the wide eyes and excessive picture taking for the tourist attractions.

Mind you this was Rio on steriods for the World Cup, but we stayed after the World Cup when security measures were lowered and there were far less people and it was still fine. Beautiful city/country. We even got off the beaches and hungout in some of the local areas (not the favelas, but definitely not tourist spots)...if you're nice, aware, smart...you're fine.

We had beer in the afternoon with locals and were the only two people who spoke English. Beer (we knew how to pronounce it) is a universal language. It was a residential community. Nothing touristy about it. They let us keep our "chopp" glasses. Just people hanging out, listening to music, playing dominos and enjoying the weather. Not so dangerous.

The night Brazil defeated Columbia we were in this pizza/brew type place that would kind of be like an Ale House in the US (but mainly pizza). We were literally the only two Americans in the entire place. Again, everyone loved us, everyone was so polite and welcoming. That night we went out in Lapa - incredible.

We walked around the city at night, never an issue. Walked from Lelon, through Ipanema, all the way to Copacabana. That's like 4 miles, at night, in Rio.

I found some of the smells to be the hardest thing about Rio (not always, but at times). American sewage and sanitation may not be perfect, but be thankful.

If any of you do go...get off the beach and go to Santa Teresa on a Sunday morning/afternoon - most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life. Oh, and nearby are the steps from that old Snoop Dogg/Pharrell video too, so there's that.

I'll go to bat for Rio any day of the week. It was incredible.

Nobody Likes a…

April 29th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

I can just see Harbaugh jumping in the meeting of the waters in Manaus in khakis.

I love that we are using some of the money cannon to expand these kids realm of experience. This is absolutely the point of enrichment and giving these young men something that will change their outlook

Cranky Dave

April 29th, 2017 at 11:06 AM ^

How many of the players would never get to travel overseas without football under Harbaugh. But you know the NCAA will find a way to fuck that up for the kids.

UM Griff

April 29th, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^

To one of two additional continents is great. Bringing Michigan to people around the world and giving these student athletes additional learning opportunities is pure magic.

bacon

April 29th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^

Meanwhile, Mike Dantoni is having spring practice at the Ionia Correctional Facility. It ensures participation from all the players, regardless of legal status, and meals are included. The NCAA has loosened the restrictions on practice time to allow players to practice during their entire one hour of yard time. This year is special because he's redefining maximum effort by going to a maximum security facility.