Six contracts of football assistants expire next month
according to the article, those six assistants are
- Ed Warinner
- Jay Harbaugh
- Shaun Nua
- Sherrone Moore
- Mike Zordich
- Ben McDaniels
My question to MgoBloggers is who would you like to see extended? Personally, I think Warinner has done a heck of a job, this year is a total pass with the OL and also probably Zordich. I am curious to see what the rest of you guys think.
December 9th, 2020 at 4:40 AM ^
Keep Moore. He recruits. Keep Warinner. Zordich I'm on the fence about. Say goodbye to Nua, Harbaugh the Younger, and McDaniels.
December 9th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^
So be it, you want Jay gone, but he found Haskins, Corum, Charbonnet, among others. Seems he has done ok... also had landed Asiasi if I recall correctly. And I don't think it is him deciding who gets the carries.
Both coaches in football and basketball, have their kids with them. Jay with Jim and Jett with Juwan, and maybe too Jett. And add Warinner with his son, too. I guess this is a tradition because Moeller had his son around, too, I think.
Nua beat out ND for McGregor, but wasn't able to pull a single samoan monster recruit to the east. I doubt he will be on staff.
Zordich did quite fine in the Durkin D. Don't be surprised if OSU or Cinci snag him.
McDaniels probably had big hand in McCarthy recruiting.
December 9th, 2020 at 11:45 AM ^
McGregor was a heavy Michigan lean anyway. Nua just did enough to keep him.
I'm not sure if you've seen the Dline play but they are at or near the bottom of every statistical Big Ten category and the Dline is ranked 93rd in the nation.
So he can't coach and he's a subpar recruiter. I'm sure he does well in other metrics though.
December 9th, 2020 at 10:02 AM ^
Of all of them i would bet money that his own kid gets a new contract . Not saying its right or wrong .
December 9th, 2020 at 4:47 AM ^
Warriner, Moore, Zordich and Harbaugh, unless Warde plans on going in another direction with the HC then all bets are off. This would a perfect reason he would not announce an extension. At this point I'm "contract talk" burned out. All this worry of kids not signing because of the uncertainty is kinda ridiculous. If the coach leaves the NCAA wouldn't hold them to the commitment anyway.
December 9th, 2020 at 5:14 AM ^
Keep:
-Ed Warinner
-Sherrone Moore (I don't care how good a coach he is)
-Mike Zordich (maybe)
Keelhaul:
-Jay Harbaugh
-Shaun Nua
-Ben McDaniels
December 9th, 2020 at 6:57 AM ^
Good points. Warinner is a stud, Moore is an awesome recruiter and Zordich seems like a really good coach but mediocre recruiter. I’ll give Zordich some leeway to see if next years hull can be what some are projecting.
December 9th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
The fact that Gemon Green went from lost child at a mall to semi competent over the course of a few games makes me believe Zordich is a very good coach. Although Daxton Hill's regression is somewhat concerning. Still, Zordich is in on a two 5* CB's in 2022. For that reason alone I think he should stay.
December 9th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^
Yeah, the fact this very site freaks out constantly about player development but would dump Zordich seems silly to me. The secondary went from a tire fire to competent in basically 6 games this year; that's a great sign of coaching. As for Daxton HIll, that's actually Shoop's job and, well, he apparently hasn't been coaching so it means some underpaid GA is actually doing the coaching.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:28 AM ^
A college assistant has to be able to coach and recruit. Warinner can do both so keep him. How good a coach is Moore? We know he can recruit. Same question for Jaybaugh tho if dad leaves so does he.
The rest of 'em bye bye, so long, farewell. We will not see you in September.
December 9th, 2020 at 5:43 AM ^
I was honestly prepared for a new coach so I would say no one. If the new coach were to keep a coach I’d pick Ed.
December 9th, 2020 at 6:01 AM ^
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December 9th, 2020 at 6:24 AM ^
Definitely keep McDaniels. Been very impressed with the progression of Patterson and Milton.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:06 AM ^
Your avatar and screen name is all wrong, Buckeye Joe... LOL!
December 10th, 2020 at 1:33 AM ^
Wow! What a joke!
December 9th, 2020 at 6:35 AM ^
I haven't seen much talk of this on the board or elsewhere so I'm not sure if it's unpopular opinion or not. I would like to see Jay Harbaugh replaced. He's been a utility assistant since dad hired him. He isn't uniquely qualified for any of the positions he's held and none of the position groups he's coached have stood out. The nepotism needs to end.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:18 AM ^
Can you explain why the TE's looked better in 2015-16 than any group we've had since? Since he left that group, they've regressed each year (Moore is horrible with them). The RB's have been okay, still averaging ~5ypc (which isn't all that, but is better than IU), and each back has greatly improved in blocking/blitz pickup. Special teams have also been pretty good with him. And he's a great recruiter - as good as Moore and better than everyone else on the team.
Your claim of 'nepotism' is an unimaginative, and emotional, reach back to 2015, when the argument was reasonable. He's absolutely earned his place on the staff since then.
All that aside, he certainly needs to go outside the family to prove himself on his own, and now is as good a time as any. So yeah, feel free to say that and get him off the staff - at least that's a valid reason.
December 9th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^
Because Hoke recruited an NFL level TE in Jake Butt.
Butt was a 5th round draft pick after two acl tears.
Not to mention in 2015 we had john baxter
December 9th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
Butt didn't earn anything until Jay was coaching him, and Ol' Skillet Hands improved pretty well, too. Not only did Jake blossom into an All-American, he won the Mackey Award (nations' best TE) four years after Hoke recruited him, and two years after Jay started coaching him. He also developed into a functional blocker with Jay - not good, mind you; but functional.
Jay took over ST with Partridge in 2016, after Baxter left. Remember all the punt blocks? Punt and kick teams have been solid to this day (including two years after Partridge walked away).
December 9th, 2020 at 10:51 PM ^
Sounds like Jay shouldn't have any issues finding a new job. With a resume like that he should have programs knocking down his door to steal him away from Michigan.
But some food for thought. If Jay Harbaugh is such a great TE coach, why did Sherrone Moore replace him?
December 9th, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^
Our Running back rotations have been comically bad under Jay. He has no idea what he's doing. Whether it's leaving Charbonet in there vs Army and setting him back for that entire season, or forgetting about Haskins against Penn State. Those are his calls. (For anyone saying they aren't, you have no idea what you're talking about. The position coaches set the substitutions during the games other than the scripted series to start each half)
Our special teams play under his watch has been downright putrid.
But go ahead, give him credit for Jake Butt lol. You probably also give Jim Harbaugh credit for Jake Rudock's development too.
December 9th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^
I don't think anyone has an answer for the idiotic rotation, but I'd be surprised - shocked - if a position coach is directing play calls via his substitution pattern. It's pretty clear that certain backs run certain plays - and the RB position coach isn't calling plays...
Other than placekicking, what part of ST's have been putrid since 2016?
Butt was a Sophomore with no national hype when Jay took over the group. You think he blossomed all on his own? Since he left, we've watched TE's fail to run good patterns, fail to catch the ball consistently or very well, and fail to be good blockers.
Pull your head out of your hate...
December 9th, 2020 at 9:52 AM ^
Is it Moore's fault that All has hands of stone?
December 9th, 2020 at 10:08 AM ^
If Jay is in charge of running back substitutions he's been awful at it since 2017.
December 9th, 2020 at 6:35 AM ^
EDIT: double post bang bang.
December 9th, 2020 at 6:40 AM ^
The odds of Jay Harbaugh being fired by his dad equal the same odds of the current president firing Ivanka.
December 9th, 2020 at 6:47 AM ^
It's not technically a firing if his contract is expired. He's just not renewed or extended a new offer.
December 9th, 2020 at 6:54 AM ^
Are you high? If you are under a contract and then it expires and they say, sorry we don't want you back, you just got fired.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:45 AM ^
Firing is a dismissal from employment. If your contract expires, you are no longer an employee. It's a stupid technicality on my part, but I'm not wrong.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^
+1 for snark, -1 for feeling the need to prove this point, +1 because you, in fact, are not wrong.
December 9th, 2020 at 9:57 AM ^
Before you have the confidence in your knowledge to snarkily ask if someone is "high", make sure you are not wrong, which you are...
December 9th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
I've got nothing but time today. How is he wrong? If your contract expires and is not renewed, were you fired....? If I have a contract with a printing company and then that contract expires and I am offered a better deal with another printing company and sign with them. Did I fire the last company?
December 9th, 2020 at 6:54 AM ^
The odds of Ivanka being something that starts with an “f” and ends with a “d” by her father are drastically higher than Jay Harbaugh, that’s for sure.
December 9th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^
You are a sick fuck. Apparently you have Oedipus Complex.
December 9th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
Just observant. Freud was a fraud, just like the president.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:00 AM ^
John U Bacon on the Big 10 Sirius XM radio said that he only expects two assistance to be retained. Warner and I think he said Moore. Even Jay will be looking elsewhere.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:29 AM ^
Warde just said John U can kick rocks, he doesn't know shit. But seriously, according to John U, Harbaugh doesn't have an agent, and he wouldn't be telling friends his plans, at least friends with loose lips. So Bacon's contact has to be Harbaugh, Manuel, or a regent who had to sign off on this contract stuff, so who should we believe?
December 9th, 2020 at 7:42 AM ^
Bacon has never done us wrong, so until then, I have no reason to not trust what he says, I suppose. I’ll always be skeptical about any second hand information, but I’ll take Bacon over the field.
December 9th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
I thought I saw JUB tweet the other day that he would rather be late reporting a story that is correct than first and get it wrong. I would be surprised if he lied after stating that just days ago.
December 9th, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^
Never done us wrong ?
The first book he wrote, was wrong. He only got away with it because Bo was no longer around. His book took the program laundry, or what he percieved of it, to public view.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:29 AM ^
That would insinuate that Harbaugh has accepted the extension, true? Or was it worded as an 'if' statement?
December 9th, 2020 at 7:53 AM ^
int x = 1;
int z = 2;
if ( x < 2 || z > 1 )
{
cout << “Harbaugh is the coach for the foreseeable future! “ << endl;
}
December 9th, 2020 at 8:39 AM ^
extra redundant, just in case
December 9th, 2020 at 7:11 AM ^
I'd keep Warriner and Jaybaugh, and would have to speak with Moore and Zordich about it. Moore can recruit, but his TE group has regressed in the two years he's had it. They can't catch, can't run routes, and suck at blocking. Maybe swap him with Harbaugh - let Moore coach RB's and move Jay back to TEs, and keep them both. Two of the better (two best?) recruiters on the staff. I have no idea where Zordich's mind is - he doesn't recruit, and nobody knows if he can teach a zone...
Any new coach needs to make Warriner a priority to keep. Everyone else can go.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:49 AM ^
If Jay's TEs can't block or catch, why would we want him doing the same thing to the RBs? This Speed in Space thing needs to include those skills. Jay coached TEs before SiS was brought. Assuming Gattis stays, I don't want Jay coaching any position group that needs to block and catch well.
December 9th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
I think you're mixing up Sherrone Moore and Jay Harbaugh? Typo?
December 9th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^
You have Jay and Moore flipped in your scenario... Although I do get your point - if Moore can't coach a TE to block, why would we want him coaching a RB to pickup a blitz? We wouldn't...
I'm ambivalent towards bringing back Jay - I do think he's a good coach, and he's a great recruiter. But he needs time in his profession away from Daddy and Uncle John so he can better prove himself. I'm less ambivalent towards Moore, shading to his exit. But if you like his recruiting that much, fine...
December 9th, 2020 at 7:16 AM ^
Warriner keep and maybe Moore. That's it. I also think it's good optics (and the right decision) if Jay Harbaugh moves on.
December 9th, 2020 at 7:35 AM ^
Is Schoop still collecting a salary?