(hint: it was your stupid analogy)
Mike Lantry, 1972
(hint: it was your stupid analogy)
It must suck to lose an argument to your hated rival.
You are such a fucking moron.
Jerry Kill's winning percentage at Minnesota (.409) is actually a shade better than Rich Rodriguez's at Michigan (.405). That kind of sums it up right there. When the Michigan coach delivers Minnesota results, he will not be long for the job.
It depends on the program you're at, in my opinion. At Michigan, no, that's a failure on all accounts. But when you're at a school like Minnesota that has been a football laughingstock for decades, those little baby steps in the right direction can be considered success. The question is just where is the coach's ceiling and how far can he take the team. I don't think Kill will be able to recruit like Hoke and Meyer, but if he can be like Bielema, find the right guys for his system and effectively develop them, I think they can return to a level where they're at least competitive in every game, maybe have some 8-9 win seasons.
What standard are you using to say that? He's at one of the worst tire-fires in major college football and it looks like he's turning them around, which he seems to have a good track record of doing.
I doubt Minnesota is about to bring its program back to where it was during the Great Depression, and I don't think Kill is as good of a coach as Hoke, but I'm not sure many people would say that Kill is failing, either.
6-7 isn't failing?
I'm so glad you aren't the coach of any team I anm a fan of.
Past program success can't define your definition of success. I don't care if you are the coach of Alabama or SW St. Louis State CC, you had damn well better define success as winning every game yougo out and play if you are a coach.
If I were a coach 6-7 would very much be considered a failure.
Well then I guess just about every coach in the NCAA is a failure, and therefore, nobody is qualified to be coaching at any school. Football should probably just be dropped as a sport, and Nick Saban should hang his head in shame for not winning every game last year.
Why are you trolling me so much? What is it with you and trolling me? I'm back from Bolivia and all you can do is troll me? Why don't you go write something horrible about some of our players on your sweet e-blog.
For some reason, I just picture you as one of the guys who drives a $4,000 1999 Honda Civic with $5,000 rims, an extended spoiler, massive stereo system, and the muffler removed. When you drive by, people lower their heads with slight embarassment, but then smile and nod to themselves ever so slightly... remembering that at least they're not you.
The stuff I get sent to Bolivia for is nothing compared to bullshit like this.
I'm actually a pretty normal guy. Drive a nice mid-2000's car. Nothing too fancy. No after market mufflers for me. I think they are a waste of money. No after market rims either. I am saving for a truck to help me start my own business this year. Looking to star a little LLC to keep me busy on the side. I have a bachelors from a directional Michigan and a MBA from The University of Michigan.
I do hate old people though. They smell like shit and they drive too slowly for my liking. Always fearful of change. Whenever I pass one I quietly think to myself, they should be more happy, you know? If they were born in any other time in humanity they would be long dead by now yet they find a way to not only be upest and surly about next to nothing, but they sit around and complain about every little thing. And they are poor tippers. Nothing like abusing the service lady who brings your coffee not quite fast enough every morning and then leaving her a nickel.
So, yea that's my only real problem. Old people. Oh and fat stupid fucking morons. Two little things that annoy me is all. Two little insignificant things. Meaningless really. Completely meaningless to the world. Useless if I do say so myself.
It makes me sad that you have a degree from Michigan. Really sad.
Oh well, like they say, don't like a few bad apples spoil the whole basket!
I'm happy you're still here, Herm.
Thank you. I actually like you more than david from wyoming. That guy is a real chachbag. You and I just don't see eye to eye. Oh well, live and learn right?
Have a good one.
Have yourself a nap, Herm.
You do understand I do this just to needle you right?
I'll make you a deal. You give up your fake schtick, racism and sexism and I'll stop driving you nuts.
A guy who's truly as old as your avatar wouldn't even know what $5,000 rims are.
Herm has admitted he isn't an old man before. It's all fake.
You could have Bill Belichick at head coach, Chip Kelly as OC, Nick Saban at DC and the rest of the Big Ten head coaches taking positions and I doubt there's any way Minnesota does appreciably better than 6-7. Would you continue to employ that staff at 6-7, or should they not be employed because of their failure?
Coaching won't take Minnesota's current roster into Ann Arbor or Columbus or Madison or Lincoln with more than a prayer at winning; it's Kill's job to upgrade that roster and it looks like he's doing a good job at that.
I'm sorry, man. That staff would kick ass no matter where they coached. That's insane to think what a coaching staff like that could do.
with Alabama's roster would roll Minnesota's roster with that staff, and it wouldn't be close. One Marquise Gray doesn't make up for an entire defense that will be on an NFL roster in a year or two, no matter how good the coaching is, and we saw what happened against their OL with a DL far superior to anything Minnesota could put on the field.
That's my entire point in a nutshell, really; if Kill doesn't have a roster capable of beating lower tier Big Ten teams in a year or two and getting through OOC at 4-0 or 3-1, then maybe consider he might be failing. No amount of coaching would allow Minnesota to win all their games last year and even that staff would probably get one extra win, possibly two (Texas Tech and Northwestern were their only losses by single digits).
Exactly. Even the great coaches go through some downturns or some rebuilding years, including guys like Nick Saban.
You didn't just say 6-7 is "UNACCEPTABLE" literally five minutes after a post defending Rich Rod's record, did you?
To be fair, he was arguing with me. So he'll say just about anything to try to prove me wrong.
Holy cow . . . I thought you were joking about him being 93. Other interesting facts: he's a high-school dropout and was the first GM of the Lakers.
"This is Minnesota, fer-god-sakes!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
but it's apples and oranges comparing the Individual success of Hoke and Kill.
I wonder if Sid Hartman's comment was tongue in cheek? He doesn't like the AD Norman Teague, disagreed with the firing of Tubby, disagrees with hiring the young, new unexperienced Richard Pitino to replace Tubby. He is noted, from his biograpy, of making outrageous comments to bring sense of humor to his sports radio program. So maybe his comments are a way to sort of needle Norman Teague for his recent hirings???
Good luck spinning that story Hartman. Because when I think of Brady Hoke, it is hard to ignore the many years he dedicated to Gopher football.
Hiw has he turned out better?
And this is coming from a guy that thinks Kill is a goodo coach. But this is craziness.
Sid Hartman can't look me in the eye and tell me that Kill, who's squad has been beaten soundly by a combined score of 93-13 over the past two years, is a better coach than Hoke. He's been out-coached, out-classed, and thoroughly out-recruited. Both were relative unknowns when they came into their respective jobs, came from mid-level schools that get little attention, and while Kill may one day get Minnesota to a 10 or 11-win season, Hoke won 11 games and a BCS bowl in his first year. Kill won 3.
A lot of people might say that Kill doesn't have the same resources at Minnesota as Hoke has at Michigan, and I wouldn't argue that, but resources only get you so far. Have to be able to coach and get the most out of your players, even if they're not "your guys." Hoke did that.
Hartman just sounds like a bitter, senile old man. The last remnant of a pack of hopeless Gopher fans hanging onto the glory days of Depression-era Minnesota football. Wake up, pal. It's not 1935 anymore. Your program hasn't been relevant in decades. Just be thankful you've got a guy who at least seems to have your school on the path to respectability.
Is this a seizure joke? I can't tell.