Should Harbaugh have stuck with his original Offensive scheme?
November 8th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^
He did stick to the same scheme he just put it in shotgun formation. Pretty much everything we do is the same thing we did in his first few years here. The only difference is the players aren't as good and we're somehow even less likely to make adjustments than we were back then. Which is saying something.
November 8th, 2020 at 6:46 PM ^
Lol that's not true. We've gone from WCO to RPO.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^
It’s a horrible take. If your friend can’t see how offenses have evolved over the last 6 years, I don’t know what to tell him. You can’t simply add a couple of wrinkles and tweaks to an offense that defenses figured out a decade ago.
November 8th, 2020 at 5:34 PM ^
Yes you can. But it won’t beat the very top talent teams. Usually.
Cam Newton ran a slightly modified double wing offense from about 50 yrs ago.
Service academies are a bitch to play against BECAUSE their schemes are so old. So old that there are players & coaches that don’t know how to defend them.
When you give a talented team & coach time to prepare they can break it down & beat you regardless of scheme.
If he never departed and fully committed to his Stanford style offense here? I think the net results would be about the same or plus a couple wins but not likely big games.
November 8th, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
IMO you are seriously misunderstanding why Army (not all service academies) are tough to prepare for. The triple option is something the teams that play them will see exactly 1 time per year, that’s why it’s tough to prepare for. If it was a truly effective offense, tell me the last National Champion to run that offense? Teams absolutely know how to stop it, that’s why modern offenses evolved away from it. Knowledge of how to stop it and practicing to stop it for a week are very different issues.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
He didn’t really change anything in the first place. He needs to go. I’m gonna be furious if he’s not gone on Monday. What more needs to fucking happen for him to be canned??
November 8th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
You’re going to be furious on Monday then. Lol.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:54 PM ^
Oh I know I will be. I’m not delusional. But that just goes to show you that we truly are a mediocre program
November 8th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^
I don't necessarily disagree but the reality is he won't be fired during this season. It's probably unlikely he'll be fired during the off-season as well. I don't see Warde doing anything that would sour his working relationship with Harbaugh. It's more than likely he'll get the Brian Kelly chance at a redemption season to turn it around. At worst, I see a coordinator getting fired but I'm sorta skeptical about that too.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
Should Harbaugh have stuck with his original Offensive scheme?
No, but he overpaid for Gattis and JH/Gattis are probably not a great fit because Gattis is inexperienced, and JH doesn't know the intricacies of the spread and can't help him. He should have poached a guy with more experience from a smaller school. Then again, there are plenty of successful plays that are being left out there due to poor execution. If OSU was executing these same plays we'd probably be score 50 pts a game. Is it the play calling, the o-line, the drops, the missed reads, or the overthrows? It's hard to distinguish, but probably a bit of all of them. When there are so many things wrong where do you start? This is probably why the coaches also don't have an answer. It's going to be a long season that hopefully ends in a coaching change to someone that can put it all together better.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
I like the hybrid offense we have now, I just don't like the coaching, the scheme is fine....coaching and execution is sorely lacking.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^
That's true. And I don't blame the players any more for bad execution. Because it keeps happening game after game, it's now crystal clear it's because of the poor leadership and coaching they're getting.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
No he needed to adapt. What we miss is the Original Harbaugh recruiting, game management, and desire. He lost all of that, time for a change.
November 8th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^
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November 8th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^
Thanks bro! Time is the best healer.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^
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November 8th, 2020 at 12:50 PM ^
yes
well, maybe
actually probably not
so, no
November 8th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^
Fisch is the guy that made that go it appears.
Its one thing to have the same scheme, its another to actually know when to call those plays.
Play calling is an art, like boxing....I don't know who was calling plays, but there seemed to be a decline after Year 1 following Fisch and Wheatley's departures.
November 8th, 2020 at 8:16 PM ^
*Year 2
But I agree with the majority of what you are saying. Something's not right. Offense is predictable. QB not involved in the run game. Haven't seen hardly any RPOs since Minnesota. Defense has been recruited poorly to say the least and on top of that Donny keeps running schemes that don't fit the personnel or flat out don't make any damn sense. Warriner was great because he simplified everything. Seems like the defense is too complex and needs to do what Donny hates: Run a scheme that does a few things excellently rather than trying to "have enough bullets."
November 8th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^
November 8th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
What offensive scheme ?
November 8th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^
No. The problem isn't the scheme, that's why no matter what the scheme is we have the same problems. The problem is he thinks the point of offense is to create favorable conditions for our defense to win the game. Even when the defense isn't very good.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^
Just try running the damn ball outside instead of in the back of our center who is already 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Our O-Line is a major problem impacting the run game and passing game
November 8th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^
I think that the offense would be more smooth if he had just stuck with his original offense. I don't think that offense would be enough in todays game. Either way, he hasn't recruited well enough for either. He has no match-up problems at the TE position which his original offense badly needs.
The offense needed to adapt, he just isn't the guy to oversee that process.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^
No. The original offensive sucked just as bad.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^
You mean the offense that seemed like all 11 players had to solve a calculus problem each play and then it looked like they all got a different answer? No, I don’t think we should do that anymore.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^
It bears repeating, endlessly. Michigan's woes do not start with the offensive scheme. Harbaugh could have a couple of books entitled 'bama Offense for Dummies and a Cliff Notes addition of Urban Meyer's "Everything You Need to Succeed on Offense" and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. It wouldn't make any difference because it isn't the offense, or the defense, or special teams that is losing games, it is the utter lack of discipline and execution (though execution is a byproduct of discipline) which has befallen the team. This is solely a human coaching problem, a problem which starts at the head and rots downward.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
No. This offense has 9 new starters and one of the returning guys was out yesterday (along with the other starting tackle). Replacing that much on offense is always going to be painful. The fact that there was no spring practice and a shortened fall camp makes the impact of turnover even worse. I'm confident that the offense will get better over time. We have a new QB behind a new OL throwing to new receivers.
Now the defense? Yikes...
November 8th, 2020 at 3:05 PM ^
No. That wasn’t getting the job done against OSU either. Harbaugh had to take a chance and be willing to try something else.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:32 PM ^
No. That offense would be worse.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
No matter what offense have we must have a defense that will be consistent from game one to the bowl game.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
I wish he would’ve stuck to researching coordinator hires, or actually going on recruiting trips. ___k Harbaugh!
November 8th, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
IT IS THE SAME FUCKING SCHEME!
That is the problem.
Thanks for playing.
November 8th, 2020 at 4:47 PM ^
No. Next question.
November 8th, 2020 at 6:48 PM ^
I actually think they'd be fine with his old offense. It only got bad when they didn't have a QB and the OL was thin and weak.
November 9th, 2020 at 7:06 AM ^
The Offense plays to slow