Should college athletes be paid?

Submitted by Waters Demos on

If so/not, why?

I understand that this topic has been briefly discussed in comments within certain threads, but I think it is worthy of its own thread.

As recently as yesterday morning, I assumed that just about everyone was in agreement that college athletes should not be paid.  However, after an exchange with an intelligent MGoBlog user who advocated paying college athletes, and watching ESPN's "First Take" this morning, during which one commentator also advocated paying college athletes, I began to think that this was a more open issue than I realized. 

My personal view is, rather emphatically, no.  There are already outlets for watching paid athletes in the forms of NFL, NBA, etc. . .  Additionally, there are administrative logistics that would be difficult to manage - for example, do we pay all student-athletes, or just the ones in revenue sports?  If only the latter, why?  How much should they be paid?  A flat rate for all in revenue sports, or a graduated scale based on "productivity"?  How would these determinations be made?

Moreover, while the "student-athlete" moniker is already arguably a sham, paying college athletes would ruin it altogether.  And if it's possible that some things are too sacred to be used strictly for money (commodification) purposes, I think education in general, and higher education in particular, is one of them.  The current system already commodifies higher education to an extent, but paying college athletes would completely bury any conception of higher education strictly qua education. 

This is an intelligent forum - I'm interested in your views.  Cheers.

Cope

December 24th, 2010 at 2:04 PM ^

I'm getting so far from the idea of paying athletes, I think if they're in non-revenue bringing sports they should fundraise to sustain their sport like we did in high school.

At least have to go and sell some sweet U of M [their sport] shirts.

stmccoy

December 24th, 2010 at 3:48 PM ^

No they all get free educations.  Last I checked those college diploma things were expensive.  The rest of us pay for them.  They should all stop whining and selling jerseys.  

njv5352

December 24th, 2010 at 3:51 PM ^

You know what I am for? How many student athletes use colleges to get into the NFL, NBA etc..... How about we guarantee them 4-5 yrs of a damn good education. Make them sign an agreement as long as they can keep their noses clean and they get a degree. Quit doing this year to year scholarship crap and make them sign a commitment. If they chose to leave early for the NBA or NFL they are required to pay back in full their scholarship. Those who want to go pro know their option and it will make a kid think twice about leaving early to be a 5th round pick.

ixcuincle

December 24th, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^

I know Plaschke gets a lot of hate, but this in my opinion is a great article about why colleges should'nt pay players

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-20101119,0,5294372.column

"Colleges should not play players. Colleges cannot pay players. To do so would hurt the very athletes supposedly being helped, devaluing intercollegiate sports until they're not worth the paper that a freshman linebacker's contract is printed upon.

With coaches making millions while players can barely afford dinner, is this fair? No. With universities building libraries on the spines of their studs, is this just? Absolutely not.

But the beauty of college athletics lies directly in this paradox, a nation drawn to the idea of professional games played by amateurs, millions cheering for superstars in letter sweaters, inspiration bathed in innocence.

If you pay the players, that aura is gone, and with it, a sports experience that is singularly passionate and uniquely American.

"Rationally, it would make sense to pay college athletes," said Dr. Murray Sperber. "But college athletics is one of the most irrational parts of American life.""

gobluesasquatch

December 25th, 2010 at 8:37 AM ^

Maybe i am continually missing something, but regarding affording meals, don't most revenue sport athletes have access to a training table on a regular basis for their meals. I remember there being a special dining hall in South Quad specifically for varsity athletes (ie. football players). 

In addition, wouldn't their scholarship cover a meal plan at the dorms? I thought most room and board parts of tuition covered at least one of the meal plans at a dorm. I'm sure Michigan isn't that different from other schools. So I guess I never understood the I can't afford food argument. 

gobluesasquatch

December 25th, 2010 at 8:37 AM ^

Maybe i am continually missing something, but regarding affording meals, don't most revenue sport athletes have access to a training table on a regular basis for their meals. I remember there being a special dining hall in South Quad specifically for varsity athletes (ie. football players). 

In addition, wouldn't their scholarship cover a meal plan at the dorms? I thought most room and board parts of tuition covered at least one of the meal plans at a dorm. I'm sure Michigan isn't that different from other schools. So I guess I never understood the I can't afford food argument. 

Md23Rewls

December 24th, 2010 at 4:11 PM ^

A big argument against paying athletes seems to be about the difficulty of finding the perfect system, but right now the big football programs bring in millions in revenue and the people most responsible for that make $40,000-$50,000 tops. There's something morally unfair about that. I think we do need to find a way to pay the players. I don't see a way to do it through the schools without completely altering college sports, but I don't see the harm in letting them get a cut of jersey sales or giving them get some of the money for EA sports using their image. Hell, it wouldn't even bother me if agents were allowed to sign players in college and guarantee them an income in that time until they turn pro in return for their services.

The current system seems like a fluke. College sports started out as another extracurricular activity and some of them became giant revenue streams. Any system that pays its most valuable workers so little and makes that much money is exploitive. So, I don't know what the perfect system is, but the current one is bullshit.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

December 24th, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^

but right now the big football programs bring in millions in revenue and the people most responsible for that make $40,000-$50,000 tops. There's something morally unfair about that.

This is very misleading.  You make it sound like the athletic departments are making these obscene profits and rolling in Scrooge McDuck sized piles of money.  Those "millions" are reinvested in the facilities that the athletes use and the scholarships given to those athletes.  The "cut of royalties" doesn't just come from a magic well, it will have to come out of something else that the programs spend money on.

So what would that be?  Volleyball scholarships?  Swimming pool maintenance?  Those giant revenue streams don't pay for palaces for CEOs or stock dividends, they get reinvested in other athletes.  Come back and tell me how bullshit the system is when a few star quarterbacks and wide receivers get paid a kazillion dollars, and wrestlers and soccer players lose their scholarships because of it, and schools that can't keep up drop their football programs so fewer athletes in general get those opportunities.  And by all means also complain when ticket prices double and triple and only the richest people can go to the games, so that everyone's favorite school can keep up in the arms race, because now the best players go to the highest bidder.

Md23Rewls

December 24th, 2010 at 4:46 PM ^

I don't care if they use the revenue to pay for other programs that they use to entice students to the university. The football players still create significantly more revenue for the school than they bring in and whether or not that money is used for altruistic reasons there is something unfair about that to me. 

If the result of this means we lose smaller sports, that's something I can deal with. Let's say Denard brought in $100,000 last year for the athletic department. Personally I don't see how it's more fair to give him $50,000 of it and then use the rest to give someone else a scholarship than to just let him get the money he created. There's no objective definition of fairness, so we can argue about this forever, but in my opinion letting the player get the money he created is better. 

And this won't cause ticket prices to go up. The entire "higher player salaries lead to higher ticket prices" argument has the causation backwards. Ticket prices have gone up because of increased demand and that extra revenue drives the higher player salaries. 

Wendyk5

December 24th, 2010 at 4:35 PM ^

They do get paid. It just isn't in the form of a paycheck. 

People who argue that the universities are making millions off these athletes are missing the actual relationship here. Those millions go to stadium improvements, better equipment, better coaches, more wins, and thus more exposure. Big moneyed programs get seen and that's what players want.   It's a reciprocal relationship, and players benefit from all that money, too. 

 

The fact that we can't just say they get an education, all expenses paid, and that's enough really devalues education, IMO. 

treetown

December 24th, 2010 at 10:57 PM ^

Agree with your basic notion that there is some form of reciprocal exchange here but respectfully feel that much more can be done.

No except the most delusional believe any top athlete being recruited to play for a D1 school does not have serious thoughts about a possible pro career. The current rules are suppose to prevent a mercenary class of "student" players who would jump from school to school looking for a bigger paycheck. IIRC these sort of rules date back to the 1920's when college football first became big. (Hard to believe but once 80,000 turned out to watch Red Grange play and the game sometimes was only 6-0). Right now the college leagues in football, basketball and to much lesser degree baseball act as minor league system for the pro league. We have the ills and not of the benefits of an academic environment. So what can be done?

1. Acknowledge that the top recruits want to see if they can go pro.

2. Give those athletes a true athletic scholarship, like a dramatic arts, fine arts, or performance music scholarship.

3. Create a true program of study for "performance athletics" - with year round physical training in general, sport specific training, a thorough set of real classes about the nature of sport in the USA. Make it a point to develop the athletic potential of these kids.

4. A curriculum based about the nature of sport sounds hokey but consider that spectator sports (and not participatory sport) has become a major social, cultural and economic factor in American civilization. We speak of a "level playing field", "three strikes you're out laws", "judiciary acting as an umpire and not as a player", "free agent", a political "ground game", etc. The graduates would be expected to know about their specific sport in depth, sport in general and know also aspects of nutrition, basic physiology, and most of all the economics and politics of sport. Sounds hard to believe to some, but go look at the course catalog of any school offering a BA in Fine Arts, or Dramatic Arts, Dance or Music and there are plenty of theory and practice classes. Musicians, actors and artists have lives as difficult as any athlete and their careers are often just as short and uneven.

5. All candidates have to audition and are subject to review each year. Those who can't progress or can't continue are advised to look at another concentration. Not everyone admitted to the Music school hacks it as a performer - some transition over to teaching and other aspects of music. The rate of progress and success of a program would be easier to mention and indisputable - just look at the rosters of the pro leagues. Where do the players come from would make that quite clear.

6. The coaching staff can bring in top professionals all year round to evaluate and give counsel. There is no restriction on access. We won't see the odd situation of a 3 or 4 year starter in college not being able to read a defense, or have strange mechanics. Good training will attract the players with the best potential. The top companies come on campuse to recruit and most schools bend over backwards to have them visit their classes and talk with their students. Would any computer science/computer engineering school prevent recruiters from Intel, Apple, Microsoft, Siemens, etc. from hanging around?

7. Any one can try out for the team - in fact like the orchestras and bands, most of the team will be non-performance athletics students, but the real stars of the teams will probably be these performance athletics kids.

8. Kids are free to turn pro any time, but once they take pro money their eligibility to play in the college leagues is over and done.

9. Admittedly such a system will probably lead to the demise of most dynasties - the top players may only stay on for 2-3 years, a few for the full 4 years but it would stop the whole shamateurism hypocrisy. An open policy will drive the shady boosters, "friends" and other hangers-on into the light and a lot of their crap will be exstinguished. We won't see scores of kids being strung along with pipe dreams of turning pro when they are just roster fodder.

10. I know this is a tough sell for those who still hold physical activities as being something which is not academic or scholarly. But if the university consortiums can certify degrees in music, dance, and art, why not performance athletics?

MCalibur

December 25th, 2010 at 1:12 AM ^

Create a [Football] major in the School of Kinesiology with a curriculum as you describe. I have absolutely no beef with it. Moreover, it would be practically marketable. I think WVU has a Master's Degree program in Athletic Coaching. Why can't there be an undergraduate degree in coaching? Those are real jobs

How many Middle School, High School, College and Professional football coaching jobs are there in this country? Yet we have no FORMAL education programs to cultivate those skills. How many athletes would be better off having a degree like that versus on non-specific general studies degree?

Anyone who is interested can get the degree--Mike Hart, Nick Sheridan, Brian Cook...pony up the tuition and all aboard!

Nah, we just can't have something like that. Logical solutions aren't wanted 'round these parts (NCAA land).

Great ideas.

McSomething

December 24th, 2010 at 5:10 PM ^

have the world by the ass. In more way than one. If they aren't able to make it to the next level (whether it be the NFL, NBA, or what have you), then you were just at a top flight university (for arguments, some schools are less so) free of charge. They don't pay any tuition; for their books; for food; for room and board. Hell, they're given money for that which they can spend on cheaper housing themselves. Giving them the chance to pocket the difference. So if a few players get a place together, they're able to keep a considerable portion of that money. They have so many advantages that it's not even funny. So any players that aren't able to get ahead one way or the other without "cheating" has only themselves to blame.

FormerWolv

December 24th, 2010 at 10:33 PM ^

if you are on "full ride" ie everything is paid for, you get a monthly check for about $1000 (monthly room and board allowance) to pay bills and rent, that you can spend as little or as much as you want. I know some of the players live wayyy off campus pay 300$ a month in rent and bills and pocket a good chunk of whats left. 100% legally.

Urban Warfare

December 24th, 2010 at 10:46 PM ^

Joe Paterno has said for years that players should get paid.  I tend to agree, and what happened yesterday has nothing to do with my reasoning.

Personally, I don't think a college education is necessarily a fair exchange when you factor in the long term effects of football.  We're seeing all sorts of research about the long term effects of even minor concussions.   Linemen are likely to have significant joint problems-both knees and hands.   Running backs and wide receivers tend to have all sorts of long term health issues because of the sheer number of hits they take. 

Look at Chris Henry's brain.  An autopsy found many of the same types of damage as are found in Alzheimer's victims.  He'd never been diagnosed with a concussion, and it wasn't solely because of the NFL.   "It is the constant thumping of the helmet and the brain inside the skull that causes long-term harm. The scientists found in Henry's tissue "chronic changes that have been there for several years," Bailes said. "And these are not all NFL-caused," meaning they stem from youth, high school and college football, as well."

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-29/bay-area/21929995_1_chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy-brain-damage-tau-protein/2

That's not even considering the chance of a catastrophic injury like what happened to Tyson Gentry, Taliaferro or LeGrand.   At some schools *cough*SEC*cough* a career ending injury can kill any chance a player has at making a decent living because they're told to ignore academics in favor of athletics.  That's shitty for many reasons, but until half the SEC schools get the death penalty, it'll keep happening. 

There are a lot of long-term hidden costs to playing football at the college level.  It's true that they get a free college education, but when there's a good chance they'll be so brain damaged that they won't be able to use that college education, is that a fair trade?

brccli

December 25th, 2010 at 12:54 AM ^

I'm not sure if this perspective has been mentioned in the previous 166 comments, but as a former graduate student I think student athletes should be paid.  I see a lot of parallels between grad students and student athletes, particularly in the revenue sports.  I was given tuition and a stipend to be a research assistant.  In other words, I went to school for free and was paid a salary to promote the University by writing papers with the University's name on it.  The University profited directly from grants that I worked for my advisors and indirectly from the small amount of fame brought from recognition of my work.  In a certain sense, student athletes provide a similar benefit to the University and it seems like they should be compensated in a similar manner.  I haven't thought through the exact implementation, and I'm sure it would have to be carefully crafted to avoid abuse, but from the viewpoint of a graduate student, I can't justify not paying them.