Rittenberg Ranks the B10 QB's
Don't know if anyone posted this, but our boy Adam over at ESPN has his ranking of the big 10 qb's up.
Anyways, here they are.
1. | Terrelle Pryor OSU |
2. | Ricki Stanzi Iowa |
3. | Scott Tolzier WISC |
4. | Kirk Cousins MSU |
5. | Ben Chappell IND |
6. | Adam Weber MINN |
7. | Robert Marve PUR |
8. | Tate/ Denard MICH |
9. | Dan Persa NW |
10. | Kevin Newsome PSU |
11. | Nathan Scheelchase ILL |
Thoughts? Top 4 is pretty spot on.. I think Tolzien and Cousins are both better than Stanzi, but I suppose the records don't lie. A little hard seeing Marve at 7 considering how his career started and the fact that he hasn't played a down of football yet in the b10..
August 13th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^
Newsome at ten? He might be #2 or even 3 on his own team.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^
Right. Sounds like Bolden has a real shot. They're going to suck this year.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:50 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 2:33 PM ^
Marve ahead of Tate/Denard is a joke.
This list will look a lot different (from a Michigan fan's perspective) at year end.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^
I understand us being near the bottom considering all the drama, but behind Adam Weber? Isn't the dude coming off an abysmal season?
August 13th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^
Who is this "Pryor" fellow?
August 13th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^
Wait, this Adam Weber? The same one that threw 13 TDs, 15 Ints and barely completed over 50% of his passes? And loses a hell of a receiver in Decker?
August 13th, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^
This is how I see it for preseason::
- Tolzien - Good QB that doesn't make mistakes
- Cousins - Solid pocket passer, decent mechanics, good arm
- Stanzi - too many ints, else would be #1
- D-Rob/Forcier - Expect big strides
- Pryor - Honestly underperforming given what's been around him
- Chappell - Might be inflated because of wtfPistol yards
- Marve - Think this guy could be pretty good
- Weber - LOL ints
- Persa - Yeah no
- Penn St - What QB?
- Scheelchase - This guy could have Brees' accuracy and Manning's arm and STILL lose 10 games with the team he's on.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:22 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 3:59 PM ^
1. Cousins
2. Tolzein
3. Pryor
4. Chappell
5. Stanzi
6. Denard + Tate
7. Weber
8. Marve
9. Persa
10. Scheelchase
11. Penn State
August 13th, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^
But I can't see where he's too far off - except putting Weber ahead of Tate/Denard.
We'll see how that one plays out.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:58 PM ^
I can't argue the list except for Weber. Mavre? Meh, but what's the difference between 7th and 8th place...
August 13th, 2010 at 2:41 PM ^
Pryor has had exactly ONE good game from start to finish. He's been on a fantastic team, but as a QB, he's not as good as Stanzi or Tolzien, IME.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
Even his one good game was aiight in terms of throwing the ball. There were some wide open throws that he flat out missed. Having said that, he also made some obscenely difficult throws. He's shown the glint of potential, but that's all so far.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^
Yeah. I'd still have him up near the top, just because the whole running part contributes to yards/touchdowns too, but not #1. Hopefully that glint of potential doesn't pan out. I'd be pretty nervous going up against him if he really breaks out this year.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^
Meh, I guess I agree with you. However, I think his top three (maybe four) could be reasonably rearranged in any order. Assuming that Tolzien can stop throwing lethal INTs, I think he could have a huge year. Of course, I think you can say the same thing about Pryor and Stanzi...so...yeah. His bottom three could also be rearranged pretty easily, considering that they're all new starters with basically no experience. As far as I'm concerned, nothing on there is horribly objectionable.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^
I honestly think you could replace Stanzi with everybody except for Weber and Iowa's chances of winning would not change. I can go along with a fluid ranking of Tolzien-Cousins-Pryor and find it plausible. But, Weber and Stanzi are grotesquely over-ranked on this list.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^
I hate the Buckeyes as much as the next guy, but when a reasonable fan comes on here and posts reasonable comments--I don't get it. He even went so far as to say that you could put up to three others in front of Pryor.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:19 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 2:45 PM ^
me thinks Cousins is overrated. If i had MSU's receivers and running backs from last season, even someone like me who played one season of high school football could complete 25% of my passes.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 4:15 PM ^
August 13th, 2010 at 4:07 PM ^
He had good receivers, but the OL and running backs were not as good as you're making them sound.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:46 PM ^
Why the slash? Are Denard and Tate the same person? I understand he only wanted to rank starters, and we don't "know" who will start for us, but treating them as the same person throws into question the credibility of this list, at least wrt Michigan. It might not affect the top 3 or 4, but if he doesn't want to commit to who he thinks will start, how can he commit to their ranking?
August 13th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
this'll list be about as useful as bug spray in Iceland by the time the season's over...
August 13th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
The no. 1 job of a quarterback is to win games. All these guys will rise or fall based upon how their team does.
All that Tate, Denard or Devin need to do is help Michigan win and the rankings will take care of themselves.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^
If you read his reasons for the rankings it says that past performance and team success was a major component, no doubt Pryor is #1 in that case. I don't know how we could put Tate/Denard much higher without seeing sucess this year. Until we see it, its just hope from our perspective.
August 13th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^
I've already been through this exercise so my opinion is known, but ranking Stanzi #2 is a straight up joke. He is more liability than asset at this point in his career. Maybe he'll be better this year, but that'll probably still be a long way from good.
Once I saw that, the list is a non-starter.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^
They don't call him "Rick Six" for nothing. When you throw 5 TDs to the other team in one season, you should be an easy choice for #11 in the league. Could someone name me a worse Big Ten QB last year?
As for this year, I'd put him ahead of the QBs at Illinois, Northwestern, Penn State, and Purdue, b/c those teams have brand new QBs. I'd put him behind every single returning QB.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:30 PM ^
Why do you hate America?
August 13th, 2010 at 2:57 PM ^
He lead the Bucks in rushing last year with almost 800 yards, and he's the conference's 7th leading returning rusher. His passing hasn't been phenomenal, obviously, but he hasn't really needed phenomenal passing numbers for OSU to win. I don't see how he doesn't make a Top 3 given his track record and the fact he's going into his 3rd year starting.
He already puts incredible pressure on a D with his legs. If his passing game improves (he looked pretty good in spring game) that pressure only gets ramped up.
I think if you ask Defensive coordinators around the league who they fear most, I think Pryor would be at the top of most, if not all of their lists.
August 13th, 2010 at 4:09 PM ^
Led, not lead.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:02 PM ^
IMHO this is worthless - yes it is based on past performance but I care this upcoming season - these rankings will look a lot different a year from now.
August 13th, 2010 at 3:22 PM ^
People love Marve for some reason, despite the fact he had a meh first season at Miami and kept running into off-the-field issues ranging from arrests to troubles in the classroom. If he is even as good as Elliott was last year, then he'll be a great addition to Purdue, but I have my doubts.
Stanzi and Weber are the only other guys I would question, since Weber lost the only good receiver he had in Decker and Stanzi, for all of his "love it or leave it" chutzpah, had exactly 2 more TDs than INTs in a low-pressure situation and may well be asked to carry a bigger load with the losses on defense.
August 13th, 2010 at 4:29 PM ^
What's really striking to me here is that it looks like a rather mediocre set of QBs in the Big Ten this year when you look at the names all listed together. For instance, of the top 4, we have two rather inconsistent talents in Stanzi and Pryor and two solid but not great QBs in Cousins and Tolzien.
August 13th, 2010 at 4:35 PM ^
Remember Cousins was a 2 star guy. MSU did well in their scouting.
August 13th, 2010 at 4:37 PM ^
Based on starters alone and how I expect them to do this year, I might rank them like this:
1. Pryor assuming that the Oregon game was a sign of progress as opposed to a fluke. Not a great passer, but a very dangerous all-around threat.
2. Cousins. Put up the best stats in the conference last year despite an ordinary line and mediocre running game. As a junior, has more room to grow than Stanzi, Tolzien, or Chappell.
3. Tolzien. Was helped a lot by a strong line and running game, which he will have again this year. He should be at least as effective as he was last year.
4. Forcier/Robinson. Forcier was serviceable as a banged-up true freshman with ordinary talent around him. He's almost certain to be better, and Robinson may well be even better than that.
5. Chappell. More accurate and less error-prone than Stanzi even if he doesn't make as many big plays.
6. Stanzi. Too many picks, and only Weber was less accurate last year. He had to carry the offense due to the lack of a running game. He should have better RBs around him this year (they can't all get hurt every year) but a much weaker OL in front of him.
7. Marve assuming he has indeed made big strides since his awful freshman year at Miami. From here on down, we have question marks instead of solid starters. Marve could be much better or much worse, but 7th is a best guess.
8. Persa. Played ok in limited duty last year.
9. Weber. Easily the worst starting QB in the league last year and he's a senior, so I would not expect big improvement. Most of his offense returns for what it's worth, but Decker is gone.
10. Scheelhaase. He couldn't have been as bad as Newsome was in the spring.
11. Newsome. He may eventually be good, but for this season I'd rather have Threet.