RB O'Maury Samuels Denied Waiver for 2019 Eligibility

Submitted by Ezekiels Creatures on August 8th, 2019 at 8:39 AM

After being dismissed from Michigan football in December 2018 (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/12/12/michigan-football-dismisses-omaury-samuels/2290803002/), O'Maury Samuels entered the transfer portal in February (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/dismissed-michigan-rb-o%E2%80%99maury-samuels-tweets-he%E2%80%99s-part-of-transfer-pool/ar-BBTlpEB). He transferred to New Mexico State University. He applied to the NCAA for a waiver from the one year waiting period for transfers. It's been denied. (https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/06/dismissed-michigan-rb-omaury-samuels-denied-immediate-eligibility-at-new-mexico-state/)

 

JPC

August 8th, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^

It would be nice to look at the correlation between recruit ranking and the quality of the program  they’re transferring to and the probability of getting the waiver.  

Small sample size, and totally anecdotal, but it feels like elite recruits going to elite schools don’t get denied. I wonder if the data agrees. 

CRISPed in the DIAG

August 8th, 2019 at 11:49 AM ^

I'd definitely agree that the NFL isn't where they need to be. But which RB? If you're talking about Ray Rice, his declining lack of production had as much to do with teams untouching him. If you're talking about Kareem Hunt, he'll play again eventually. Otherwise, there are many other examples. LB Rueben Foster found a new team a couple days after getting released. WR Tyreek Hill broke his toddler's arm and will not face suspension. 

If they had a joint in their mouth or allegedly let air out of footballs - banhammer. Very confusing.

 

lilpenny1316

August 8th, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^

If you're talking about Kareem Hunt, he was kicked off the team near the end of the season.  He was untouched for the rest of the season.

Also, when you have Ezekiel Elliott holding out with his checkered past...and teammates aren't publicly saying anything against that...there's still a problem in the league.

NeverPunt

August 8th, 2019 at 9:10 AM ^

Just read about some Arizona receiver getting approved as he moved to C-USA team so my guess is the data would show that like most things with the NCAA there is no rhyme or reason but money makers get the benefit of the doubt and everything else is a coin flip

Streetchemist

August 8th, 2019 at 9:20 AM ^

Antonio Williams transferred from OSU to UNC in 2018 and was granted immediate eligibility.  Williams was, IIRC, a top ~150 recruit so not super elite but still really highly rated.  I think I agree with your feel on this.  Higher profile transfers get a ton of coverage in the media and I'm sure that's something the NCAA considers when they make their ruling.  Once you get out of the elite recruit range, it seems to become much more of a crapshoot:

  • Luke Ford, high 4* denied
  • Antonio Williams, 4* granted
  • James Hudson, 4* denied
  • L,Christian Smith, 4* granted
  • O'maury Samuels, 4* denied
  • Oliver Martin, 4* *pending*

Ezekiels Creatures

August 8th, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^

I'm feeling kinda bad for Luke Ford. There really is a serious illness in his family. And he really did transfer to be near his family because of it. But apparently, the school he transferred to isn't within the millage allowed in the family illness transfer rule.

I don't think most people remember who Luke Ford is. He is a fantastic TE, who was the #51 overall player in the 2018 class. There was a long battle over him from schools like Georgia, Alabama, and Michigan, to land him. He chose Georgia. But because if the illness in his family, he gave up playing at Georgia and transferred to Illinois. Can you imagine how much he gave up in that? To leave what is happening with Georgia football and go to what is happening at Illinois football? He really was serious about being near his family. The NCAA should have allowed the waiver, even though he was outside the millage permitted.

Bucknutz36

August 9th, 2019 at 5:48 AM ^

Wow, some of you are so blind in here. A huge factor is the cooperation of the team the player is transferring from. Or have you not figured out that players leaving Michigan in general  are struggling to get waivers? Georgia cooperated with OSU on Fields, which was a big factor. And you have no clue what really happened with Fields, nor do I. But feel free to ignorantly claim to, and minimize the impact of that particular “bad word.”

M-GO-Beek

August 8th, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^

I agree, but I think it actually has more to do with the programs they are going to than the caliber of the recruit.  With the backdrop of the P5 programs wanting more autonomy from the NCAA to do what they want, I think the NCAA is much more willing to given a transfer a pass if it can keep the big boys happy and less likely to say "screw the NCAA, we are going to do our own thing."

CMHCFB

August 9th, 2019 at 7:59 PM ^

Now add what schools filed a waiver in support of the transfer and those who didn’t.  Michigan didn’t for Hudson and made their feeling be known about making up mental health excuses.  L Christian Smith, OSU filed in support of the transfer and it was granted.  It’s not the crapshoot you claim, it depends more on the school losing the player than any other factor. 

CMHCFB

August 9th, 2019 at 7:35 PM ^

The correlation that matters is did the school who the player is transferring from approve and support the transfer.   That’s why Shea had to fight so long and hard because Ole Miss fought the transfer while Martell and Fields were easily granted eligibility.  OSU, and GA after arm twisting supported the transfer.    

Also see Grimes, Williams, Jones, Burrow and Blue Smith.  Blue transferred to Cincy for mental health reasons, OSU filed a waiver in support of the transfer and he was approved.  Contrast that to a recent UM transfer that was denied because the university didn’t support the transfer.  

The NCAA has signaled that if they don’t have to fight the school the player is departing from, they will likely approve the transfer.  

Wolverine 73

August 8th, 2019 at 9:03 AM ^

More support for the proposed Harbaugh Rule that every transferring athlete gets one free bite.  What’s the harm in letting him play right away?  He didn’t play at Michigan.  He was tossed off the team.  It isn’t as if someone recruited him away, and we need to discourage that sort of thing.

AC1997

August 8th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^

While I generally agree with the Harbaugh-rule and anything that gives the players a little more power in the NCAA system....I will attempt to argue the other side of this from the NCAA point of view:

  • We are providing the STUDENT-athlete a valuable scholarship and the benefits that come with that.
  • This student athlete did things severe enough to get him booted off of Michigan and in some form of legal jeopardy.
  • He wants to go somewhere else and immediately play.
  • Perhaps he should focus on learning from his mistakes and get his life in order as a STUDENT before he is allowed to participate in the athlete stuff while we continue to allow him to get a full ride at a school.

Again, I don't really agree with that, but I can see the logic.  

reshp1

August 8th, 2019 at 9:33 AM ^

The sitting a year is entirely a punitive measure to prevent free agency. It doesn't really have anything to do with collecting yourself for a year. I don't agree with it but I see the logic. The problem is the flood gates opened with all these waivers and the NCAA has proven time and again that they're incapable of granting these waivers fairly, objectively, and consistently. So you have this situation where kids throw out an excuse and sees what sticks. I think you need to either stick with the rule with no exceptions outside of extreme circumstances, or move to something like Harbaugh suggested where you take the case by case decision making out of the NCAA's hands.

reshp1

August 8th, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^

Strongly disagree. The NCAA and college football shouldn't be a justice system, that should be handled by the actual criminal justice system. He got kicked off the team already, he ended up at a much lower level of school probably because no bigger schools wanted to take a chance on him. There are already a lot of organic consequences for what he did, adding another one isn't necessary.

Also, let's be honest, players get kicked out for "violation of team rules" to make room for better players all the time. Having to sit out a year after that would just be piling on.

bronxblue

August 8th, 2019 at 10:30 AM ^

I know it shouldn't matter, but I generally have less sympathy for someone being denied a waiver who was kicked out of school for DV.

That said, guys should be able to transfer wherever they want without penalty.  The fact it seems some guys are dinged and others are not with little internal consistency should be yet more proof for a change.

Booted Blue in PA

August 8th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^

so disappointing..... this kid had a Adrian Peterson build and potential, with our current RB situation, he would have had a golden opportunity.    

poor choices, stiff consequences.

MGoBun

August 8th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^

I guess I never really had a problem with making transfers sit a year, as long as it didn't remove a year of eligibility (which I think it does now).   You might wind up with a bunch of sixth year seniors, but I don't know if that's really a problem.  I guess it might also increase grad transfers, too.

But since the NCAA has proven themselves to be an inconsistent clusterf*ck who don't really care about student athletes like they claim, what Harbaugh proposes would be best.

 

potomacduc

August 8th, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^

I'm just thinking out loud here, but the the biggest potential downside I can see to giving all players a free pass is that itmight extend recruiting through enrollment. If I was coach who narrowly lost out on a blue chipper,  I would tempted to keep recruiting that kid way past signing day and well into the player's freshman year. At the very least, as soon as I heard the slightest hint of the kid not being happy, I'd be texting him.

I suppose the NCAA could ban all contact between coaches and enrolled players or severely limit it to a short time frame after the season (similar to what professional leagues do for players under contract), but then we're back into a situation where we have to trust the NCAA to police something and to handle transgressions fairly when they uncover them. The use of the portal could allow some players to lock out all contact. Still, I think the chances of coaches having to continue to recruit their own freshmen and maybe even sophomores against teams trying to poach them would still be there. 

If you force a year of sitting out that might cool the jets of most coaches pretty quickly. Not having the sit year count as a year of eligibility would minimize the pain to the player. For those kids that do get 6 years of eligibility, it will likely increase the number of players finishing a degree.

Again, I am just thinking out loud about the potential downside. It's quite possible that the free pass to transfer might still offer more benefits than detriments.

 

CMHCFB

August 9th, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^

What are you talking about?? Coaches can’t text or recruit a signed player, period.  Contact can only be made AFTER a player enters the transfer portal.  The transgressions you speak of would be not different now before a rule change. What’s stopping a school from telling a kid to enter the portal?   Stop with the straw man, hypothetical, sky is falling nonsense.