uminks

June 29th, 2022 at 1:22 AM ^

Our rich fans cannot contribute on their own. They have to go through the University and the University said it would not pay players NIL money to  sign, and once sign they can look for NIL opportunities. Most of the top schools are using NIL as singing bonuses. So, no wonder he is leaving.

 

pescadero

June 29th, 2022 at 8:10 AM ^

"They have to go through the University"

No, they don't.

 

"the University said it would not pay players NIL money to  sign"

Universities are never paying NIL money - it HAS to be outside groups.

... and State of Michigan law prohibits NIL for "prospective students".

 

 

 

ak47

June 29th, 2022 at 8:34 AM ^

They absolutely do not have to go through the university. In fact that is the problem is that Michigan isn’t facilitating it. If one of our donors wanted to do what the Miami guy did they could.

its also what makes it clear warde isn’t the problem. Harbaugh backdoor directing boosters is the easiest thing in the world to do. He’s just not willing to do it.

AF1618

June 28th, 2022 at 11:16 PM ^

ND is doing exactly what you said Michigan is doing (not paying players to come, but telling them NIL opportunities will be available later) and they seem to be recruiting just fine.

ND’s & UM’s NIL funds are pretty much identical. Neither is paying kids upfront to commit. One team is recruiting at an elite level currently and one is below average. 

gobluem

June 29th, 2022 at 6:02 AM ^

As much as people want to bitch about NIL, it's not the main issue

 

the main issue is that we lost our great recruiting coordinator in Morgan, we lost our OC and DC, and our head coach almost left for the NFL

 

It's gonna take a minute to recover from that

NeverPunt

June 29th, 2022 at 7:15 AM ^

Yeah. And it's also the NIL. Not for every kid. We'll put together a class when it's all said and done. It'll be a decent one but not great - likley one of the lowest ranked ones in the Harbaugh era.  But even if none of the above coaching issues had happened, we'd be struggling with some of these top tier kids. This is the wild west right now. We are bringing a knife to a gunfight. Whether that's right or wrong, I dunno, but we picked the wrong year to have both coaching instability and a tepid approach to NIL.

The question is, is the party boat leaving the dock and we're still on shore? Or is the boat going to sink at sea, and we're glad we were a few minutes late?

Nobody knows for sure, but it's not fun watching everyone else head out to sea.

Angry-Dad

June 29th, 2022 at 7:51 AM ^

This seems right.  Will NIL just keep growing and growing or will it implode?  One relatively low ranking class will not hurt the program, especially with the current roster.  If you go back to back average classes that is when you will see the dip.  2024 is huge for this reason.  Need to have another great season and hope NIL cools down on upfront payments. 

AF1618

June 29th, 2022 at 8:52 AM ^

Couldn’t care less about a score from 3 years ago, why?

Was Michigan or ND competing for a title that year? 

That question is as pointless as asking about the game the year before that, when both teams did have CFP aspirations, when discussing ‘23 recruiting & NIL.

You are the guy who messes everything up but has no accountability, so tries to create a distraction by blaming others to change the discussion. Cool.

Once again, explain to me how ND and Michigan can be doing the exact same thing with NIL but have two completely opposite results?

Michigan offered & recruited hard the following kids & could have them. ND didn’t pay any of these kids. They ALL could be Michigan commits. But zero are because Michigan lost the head to head battle with ND:

Keeley, Drayk Bowen, Peyton Bowen, Pendleton, Limar, Jagusah, Houstan, Traore, Vernon, Jason Moore, P Zinter, Bell, Shuler, Gray, and in the ‘24 Class, Carr, Cam Williams, Larsen, Swain & Wafle. 
 

Michigan wins those battles instead of ND, they have the top recruiting classes. And they won zero of them.

BleedThatBlue

June 29th, 2022 at 7:08 AM ^

Wait wait wait..you mean to tell me that a top 100 recruit UM had, they lost due to coaching changes? Disregard that his hometown team, all SEC teams and others are throwing the kitchen sink  at these top 100 kids to come play for them. Give me a break. Sure, coaching changes play a factor, look at ND. But if you truly think it’s solely based on the coaching changes that UM lost Wilson, well, that’s completely short sighted. 

BleedThatBlue

June 29th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^

Sorry, I’m not buying it. I do agree that coaching is important but NIL is bigger. Sure, ND has the allure of a brand new coach, but UM never got that attention of multiple 5 stars when JH came back from a successful stint in the NFL. Top 100 (hell even top 200) are getting offered the world at the moment and ND is getting them solely based off a new unproven coach? It’s why we’re losing out on Moore and Wilson, presumably. 

ak47

June 29th, 2022 at 10:43 AM ^

We didn't? I seem to remember Michigan having a top 5 class and the #1 recruit in the country in 2016 but maybe I am just imagining that. Or having a top 5 class and pulling a 5 star DT from Georgia in 2017 in addition to keeping the 5 star wide receiver home in Michigan.

The story on Moore is he liked Gattis and didn't like Weiss. Its not an NIL problem.

BleedThatBlue

June 29th, 2022 at 2:59 PM ^

Imagining.  Michigan was outside top 5 in most, except rivals in 2016.  2016 was propped up due to how many recruits UM took, iirc. Pulling a 5 star out for GA is impressive and that class in 2017 was monster no denying, which my guess on going 10-3 previous year showed UM was turning the corner, thus getting that great class.  We can argue about this, but this is a Jordan vs. James argument.  NIL has completely changed the game for CFB just to a couple seasons back. I still dont buy this as only coaching for having such a successful class.  

 

And the story is that Moore is going to ORE because of NIL deal.  

I suppose that Texas, UL, U, A&M just to name a few are a byproduct of their coaching to get these top recruiting classes that are blowing UM out of the water.  

Jkidd49

June 28th, 2022 at 9:52 PM ^

Yes, of course we are all aware signing day is months away however I'm not sure it's possible to be in worse recruiting  shape in late June than this team currently is in.  And yeah thumbing their noses at NIL is hurting UM but gotta wonder how much Warde welcoming JH back with open arms despite his obvious desire to be elsewhere is costing them too.

h0ckey87

June 28th, 2022 at 11:03 PM ^

I haven't been on the board lately but I can't believe this is where you guys are leaning? It wasn't mostly JH trying desperately to jump ship? It wasn't Gattis giving the double bird on his way out? It wasn't us losing our DC as well? This is so much more about JH and our rivals floating to recruits that he's going back to the NFL, then straight up does what they said he would do. He's proven he's only one foot in the door.