Position Switches

Submitted by Ziff72 on
I've seen so many negative comments about converted safeties at linebacker over the last few months that I just wanted to get some points out there for people that are buying into this. 1. Many teams play kids at LB that played safety in high school. This is normal and not an exception. We are not off on some weird island as the only team that came up with this idea. Many times it is just because the kid is growing and he outgrows the position. Sometimes it is because on his team he is probably the fastest player on the team and they put him at safety to take advantage of his athleticism even though it may not be his best position. This has always happened, but it got notoriety in the 80's when Miami had great defenses and they embraced this concept to get the most speed on the field. LB's to Dline, Safeties to LB, etc.. Many teams followed suit after repeated failures against the Canes, most prominently was Nebraska who dominated the 90's with their defense that had many converted safeties playing lb. 2. We all know Brian's mantra that a position switch is bad and I agree that for the most part that is true, but a kid is not converting from anything when he comes from high school to college. If he switches after being on campus for 2 years then that is a bad sign, but not coming from high school. He is being recruited for a position or multiple positions when he comes to a school. B. Hawthorne and M. Jones did not show up on campus thinking they were playing defensive end and safety because that is where they played in high school. They came in under the assumption they were going to play lb. Some players are given the chance to compete for a position they like , but my guess is 8/10 they end up switching to the position the coach had envisioned for them in the 1st place. 3. We have little or no idea on what these kids are truly good at. Everyone immediately labels a kid because of his size when we have no idea what he is good at or how he plays. T. Mays probably weighs more than everyone of our linebackers. Levon Kirkland used to weigh more than his lineman back in the day. Let the coaches figure out what position the kid is best at. In closing I would just like the people that don't like these conversions to take a step back and know that Mich has been very successful with these switches in the past. B. Graham was a linebacker when he came in, S. Breaston was a QB in high school, J. Riemersma was a QB in high school, P. Burgess was a safety and the list goes on. Do I have any idea if Hawthorne, Bell, Jones, Robinson, Gordon, Furman etc... will be good LB's?? No, I have no idea, but let's give them some time, maybe the coaches know what they are doing and we'll have the next B. Urlacher. He's 1 safety that turned out ok at LB.

bouje

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:43 PM ^

lol (I hope you know I was joking no offense but i'm spoken for). And yes it did kinda get weird. I had no idea how to respond to that.

Zone Left

March 3rd, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

College football message boards aren't typically a hotbed of sexual dynamos. It would be more like, "I saw Jenna do this thing in an illegally streamed porn one time."

Magnus

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:29 PM ^

One key point: Graham wasn't a stud DE right off the bat. Riemersma wasn't a stud TE right off the bat. Yes, these types of "position switches" can be good, but they also take some time. Taylor Mays isn't bigger than Fitzgerald or Ezeh, and he's probably about the same exact size as Mouton. The reason you remember Levon Kirkland being bigger than linemen is because he was a very odd outlier. There is an exception to almost every rule, and Kirkland was it for middle linebackers. There's a reason that the stereotypical middle linebacker is 6'3" and 240 or thereabouts.

UMaD

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:44 PM ^

Position switches are fine, especially if you have 2 or 3 years to learn before playing a prominent role. With Michigan's need for immediate help at some defensive positions, you'd like to see a few players who aren't dealing with a positional change in addition to new teammates, coaches, competition, schemes, etc. Position changes also probably play some role in the attrition experienced. I guess I'd like to see a balance between some of the projected/potential guys switching positions to take advantage of their athleticsm to some experienced players who showed great ability in high school and seem to know what they're doing at the position they are projected too (e.g. Carvin Johnson.)

Ziff72

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM ^

Riemersma played a little QB so he falls more into the outlier category of Brian's position fail memo and I probably shouldn't have included him. I'm not sure what the coaches were thinking during Grahams recruitment, but he didn't redshirt and played DE as a true freshmen on 1 of the best defenses in the country so I would say that was a pretty quick adjustment if they wanted him to play LB. To say it takes time is true, but so it is for 90% of the players in college regardless if you switch positions or not. Good lb's come in all shapes and sizes depending on the d you choose to run. In 97 we had all shapes and sizes at lb. Many good defenses have lb's barely 210 lbs soaking wet.

Magnus

March 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^

Graham actually played DT as a freshman, but the switch from DT to DE is a relatively small one. It does take time for most college players, but there's an added bit of time for a guy who, for example, played free safety in high school and moves to inside linebacker. Good linebackers do come in all shapes and sizes, but you can't just say "Levon Kirkland was 290 so size doesn't matter!" I know that wasn't your point, but there is a very good reason that guys are pigeonholed into certain positions because of their size.

Frank Drebin

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 PM ^

I believe that Ian Gold was a RB coming to UM. He is a perfect example of outgrowing your position or just being better suited for a defensive spot over offense. I don't think anyone can complain about his career as a MLB both at UM and in the NFL.

CRex

March 3rd, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

I don't think Brian or the board is really anti-switching. We've talked pretty openly about moving Denard around to get him on the field (likely starting in 2012, once Gardner has completed his redshirt year). Same goes for Conelius, the other QB/ATH we took this year. Also talk of Dorsey starting at CB and possible moving to Safety as he learns the system. I think what people are is "anti shake up the depth chart". Obi for example has played 4 years in 3 systems. Lets not throw in a posistion switch on top of that. We've had a lot of a shakeups here and I think it has resulted in poor play. What people seem to want is a system to evolve, not a total freeze on switching.

TESOE

March 3rd, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

Under 2. ...
If he switches after being on campus for 2 years then that is a bad sign, but not coming from high school.
Position switches after two years are a good sign as well if opportunity demands (Mignery to TE - Steve Brown to LB) or if scheme changes (FB or TE is no longer taking the field on many drives).

stankoniaks

March 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

It should also be worth noting that position switches happen in the NFL sometimes too. The obvious one is QB to WR (recently guys such as Randle-El, Matt Jones, or Isiah Stanback), but sometimes LBs get converted to safeties as well. Off the top of my head I can think of Carnell Lake and Michael Boulware, though I'm sure there are others. If one can make a change after 4 years of playing in college, I don't see a problem with position changes within college itself.

Ziff72

March 3rd, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^

That was my Urlacher example, he played safety in college. Cato June was a Michigan guy who did the same. You make a good point if they can make the switch in the pros after 4 years of being drilled into another position, then making it from high school(where your coaching varies wildly) to college (where you most likely just sit and learn for 2 years) should be much easier.

Birdman

March 3rd, 2010 at 3:36 PM ^

Its very easy to go from a missionary to legs up over the shoulders, but switching to a Doggy, that requires starting over. What? Whatever, same goes for football players.