Pat Haden on firing Kiffin, and Michigan's decision on moving forward.
I couldn't remember the exact circumstances surrounding Kiffin's firing at USC, so I looked it up and came across this quote by USC AD Pat Haden. Michigan is firmly at the crossroads, and I think you can easily replace USC with Michigan in his statement. For Hoke, the die is cast. But for the program, how this is handled could well set the tone for the future. Will Michigan send the message that it's committed to returning to greatness? Does it even matter? I think so, but that's my opinion. We'll see this week.
"I haven't felt particularly good even from the Hawaii game," Haden said. "I just felt like we haven't been the consistent team that we need to be at USC. We've played 125 years of some pretty dog-gone good football here at USC. We're just all a piece of the continuum. We're going to be playing football 125 years from now. I was just a tiny little piece of it, Lane was, Pete Carroll was, and we all add up into this continuum of USC football, and we just realized that our history has been great, and we need to be great again."
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October 26th, 2014 at 1:42 AM ^
October 26th, 2014 at 2:50 AM ^
"Kiffin was a huge asshole and was hired by a previous AD?"
David Brandon is a huge asshole and was hired by a previous president.
October 26th, 2014 at 2:50 AM ^
"Kiffin was a huge asshole and was hired by a previous AD?"
David Brandon is a huge asshole and was hired by a previous president.
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October 26th, 2014 at 1:44 AM ^
Except he hired Sarkisan as Kiffin's replacement. But yes I agree with the sentiment.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:46 AM ^
...except the only thing I want to hear from Brandon is "I am sad to announce that I will be resigning as AD."
October 26th, 2014 at 1:46 AM ^
i like it
October 26th, 2014 at 1:47 AM ^
Yeah, but Kiffin was a USC man and so is Sarkisian.
Seems to me we are not the only place with this problem...
October 26th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^
As far as I know Pete Carrol was not a USC man and wasn't he the one who brought their program back to prominance!
October 26th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^
Yeah, he's done OK, I guess.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:50 AM ^
USC at least had some semblance of a coaching tree stemming from at least Pete Carrol. The amazing thing about Lloyd was that none of his coordinators have had any modicum of success. Not necessarily a knock on Lloyd, as no doubt some of his guys could have set out on their own and chose to stick with him.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:53 AM ^
That's cause all his guys run the same archaic shit that UM has been running for the past 40 years... Only what... Stanford? runs that offense properly now and even they are starting to show cracks this year with their conservative style.
October 26th, 2014 at 2:20 AM ^
This is so spot on. Bravo sir.
The best part is...the only coach from the Gary Moeller/Lloyd Carr coaching tree that has been worth a shit as a head coach has been...Les Miles. And the people in charge passed on him...twice. Amazing.
October 26th, 2014 at 2:37 AM ^
Not only that. The latter days of Carr (02 and on) managed to take NFL/national championship worthy talent and turn them into 9-3 type teams that got smoked by ANY semblence of up tempo air spread type attacks. It hurts to say it, but it's true.
Shit, even Gary Patterson threw out the playbook, demoted his OC, and switched to an air raid spread offense... and now TCU recently scored 82 points along with an great defense to boot. Can you imagine Carr/Hoke ever doing that?
This blind loyalty to "Michigan Men" has ruined the program for the time being... Even tonight Hoke couldn't make up his mind b/w Morris and Gardner b/c Gardner is a senior and this would be his last "MSU Game" seriously?????
Could you imagine our offenses (w/ Breaston, Manningham, Avant etc) if Carr switched to modern air spread? People can dream. (Capital One Bowl I guess is the closest to reality)
I'm done. It's time for a new philosophy switch for the football program. Martin was onto something... If it's Miles I'm all for it, but I doubt it since there's all the crazy rumors of him swirling around here. Who knows?
October 26th, 2014 at 8:55 AM ^
When Michigan hired Fritz Crisler he had no ties to Michigan. He played at Chicago, and had coached successfully at Minnesota and Princeton. He was an innovator and great football mind. In making the next hire, Michigan should recall what it did in hiring Fritz Crisler.
Forget about coaching trees. Michigan needs to find a guy who, like Crisler, has a great football mind, is not afraid to innovate, is something of a tough perfectionist, and despises losing more than death itself.
Bo had the latter two qualities (among others). And today's football still requires a coach who both demands and knows how to teach perfection in execution.
But college football is much more of a chess game than it was in Bo's time, so a great football mind that will innovate (from year-to-year as the game evolves, with half-time adjustments, and in accord to the players on the roster), is also required.
From Bo to Carr, Michigan teams were always known to be well coached in the sense of executing well. They rarely beat themselves with mistakes (as RichRod and Hoke teams too often have). The had sound technique, tackled well, etc.
On the other hand, by the latter half of the Carr era the game was already shfting more in the chess match direction. Carr did not excel at that increasingly important facet. As a result many of Carr's teams failed to live up to the raw talent level on the roster.
And so Michigan went out and hired the a brilliant offensive football mind in Rich Rod. The theory was sound--match a top ten roster with a brilliant offenseive mind and MIchigan would go from 9-3 to competing for the MNC. But Rich Rod's teams were mistake prone, tackled poorly, were often out of position on defense, etc., etc. To get the thing that Carr lacked (offensive chess master), Michigan ended up losing the thing that Carr was actually pretty good at (sound execution and not beating yourself with constant mistakes).
And so Michigan went back to the Bo-Carr coaching tree for a guy who supposedly would re-instill toughness and strong execution. Whatever the intention, it has been a miserable failure. Hoke's teams constantly beat themselves with errors, poor tackling, being out of position on defense, and poor execution down to the blocking and route running technique level.
So what is the answer? Try again, but find the modern day equivalent of Fritz Crisler.
Ties to Michigan? Who cares?
Brilliant football mind? Necessary, but not sufficient.
Able to instill a tough perfectionist culture? Necessary, but not sufficient.
October 26th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^
"He was an innovator and great football mind. In making the next hire, Michigan should recall what it did in hiring Fritz Crisler. Forget about coaching trees. Michigan needs to find a guy who, like Crisler, has a great football mind, is not afraid to innovate..."
Ran him out of town after 3 years because he didn't fit the culture.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ^
It is true that the culture clash was one of the reasons that Rich Rod did not get the benefit of the doubt after year three.
And it is also true that not giving RichRod unlimited sums to hire assistants was a huge mistake.
On the other hand RichRod made a lot of his own mistakes at Michigan. They have been fully ventilated 1000 times before, so I won't list them here.
The main point is that you cannot look at the worst defenses in all of Michigan football history, and the lowest winning percenrage of any Michigan coach ever, and absolve RichRod of substantial responsibility.
Hoke has not worked out either. But that does not change the fact that RichRod was a disaster at Michigan.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^
With someone that is an innovator there is going to be a period of awkwardness where things are "going as planned" That is the time when the RR regime shit the bed instead of adapting.
By definition an innovator will do things differently and some fanbases, such as ours, are not patient enough to take one or two steps back inorder to leap forward. With Hoke & Co. we've taken one or two steps back and then taken ten steps back while they run a system of football that hasn't worked well for anyone except a few outliers for the past decade.
What I was meaning is that an innovator is not coming and the fanbase does not have the patience for wait-and-see any longer.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:08 AM ^
No ties to the program, may be the only way to get a real culture change. If you are going with the coach with ties, the only ones you should consider are JH and LM. They have earned the right to be in the discussion by their performances elsewhere. I don't know another coach that has Michigan ties that fits that bill.
If they hire another Brady Hoke, who did not deserve the opportunity it will reinforce the negative impression of the Michigan Man that is being formed by this coach and AD.
The Michigan Man culture of entitlement is what is wrecking the football program. Coaches, players, ADs that have earned the right to be offered by Michigan based on success elsewhere is all that need to apply.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^
You are on point about the level of coaching in the NCAA improving. The rise of the SEC is as much about football in the south as it is about the caliber of coaches they have in that conference. SEC success is not just about the talent (Florida is an example). It takes great coaches too.
You can't rigidly adhere to this manball dogma. All of the national powers now run some form of spread.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^
The decision to keep Gardner tells me a couple of things, which is worrisome about the whole program.
It says that loyalty is more important than winning or developing players that win.
It says that Hoke knows this is it for him and he wanted to allow Gardner the opportunity to finish out his senior season, because he values loyalty.
The program values loyalty over wins as well with the "Michigan Man" thing.
I can appreciate loyalty as a virtue, but winning needs to up there as well. When a coach continues to go with a certain player out of loyalty he is doing a disservice to the rest of the team that is playing to win. It starts to feel like the coach quit on his team and decided he is going to go out his way.
I understand doing what is right in your mind, but this decision is based on emotion and not sound judgement. There would not have been anything wrong with sitting Gardner the rest of the game and letting him start the next game based on the types of mistakes being made with the football.
Hire a winner who knows how to evaluate and develop talent. I don't need a feel good coach.
October 26th, 2014 at 2:11 AM ^
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The coaching search needs to be under way now. The new coach needs to be on board by mid-December to salvage the recruiting season.
October 26th, 2014 at 8:06 AM ^
It would be nice to have named a new coach by mid-December.
But it might be impossible, as the best candidates will have their teams in bowl games.
Given the small size of the recruiting class, I would rather get best possible candidate in mid-January that a 2d tier candidate named by mid-December.
Look, if Michigan has to wait until January and gets a really good coach, enough of the commits will stick, and a few late recruits will be added, such that the class won't be a disaster.
Now, I would favor firing Hoke now and naming Nussmeier as interim, just to see if he can set a different tone and get the team to play a bit better.
But as far as naming the new permanent head coach, I prioritize getting the best guy over getting someone w/in 14 days after the OSU game.
October 26th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^
Getting the right coach is 100X more important than worrying about this recruiting class. Who's going to be available in mid-December? I'm not crossing any names off the list because we have to wait for their season to end. The coaching search might have started already, but we need to settle the AD position before we get too far.
I'm in favor of naming an interim too, but Nussmeier would be far down my list of choices. He has more than enough to worry about as it is. I hate the idea that we might settle for hiring the interim if the team shows some improvement. Fred Jackson. would be my first choice.
October 26th, 2014 at 9:07 AM ^
...but I do favor firing Hoke now an naming Nussmeier as the interim coach.
It would at least be interesting to see if he could get the team to play better over the remaining games.
I also favor hiring the bexst candidate asvailable as the permanent HC, even if that means waiting until mid-Jauary.
I highly doubt that Nussmeier would qualify as the best candidate.
If not Nussmeier as the interim HC, then who? Fred Jackson? That was sarcasm, right?
October 26th, 2014 at 9:45 AM ^
for interim in every possible way. That's not sarcasm.
When was the last time Michigan hasn't kept the interim on a full time basis? Fisher, Ellerbe, Moeller, Carr. If the team plays better under Nussmeier there will be a real chance he keeps the job. In fact, I think he would become the odds on favorite if the Harbaughs don't jump at it right away. Frankly, I think the team will play better for any interim coach, so it won't show much.
While this scenario is better than we have right now, what isn't? Michigan needs a change in direction, not an easy way out of doing so. Name Jackson and it's not an audition for the job. He's a true interim, not someone where people are saying they want to see what he can do. He should have an easier time handling the extra responsibility than any first year coach. Jackson knows the people, he knows his way around the AD and he's comfortable with the media.
Nussmeier is a better HC candidate down the road. That has nothing to do with whether he would be better taking over tomorrow. He's still the OC and QB coach. I can't think of a single person in a worse position to take on extra duties right now.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:42 AM ^
...Maybe I have underestimated Nussmeier's chances in the HC search if he is hired as the interim coach. USC did have a little contoversy when they chose Sarkesian over Ogeron, with some players stating they wanted Ogeron.
So far I see nothing from Nussmeier that recommends him as a serious candidate for the HC job. But if he were named interim tomorrow an then won the rest of the games except OSU, his name would be in the hat for the HC job.
Fisher, Moeller, Ellerbe, Carr: Of these four interim and/or on-staff coaches elevated to HC, Ellerbe was the worst.
Fisher is a qualty b-ball coach (leaving aside the off-court issues).
I am in the camp that thinks Carr was a very good coach, but still often underperformed given the level of players on the roster at the time.
Gary Moeller? I think he was a really great football coach for Michigan. Too bad he had to be let go. As a game planner, in-game decision maker, and play caller, I liked him more than Bo.
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Hoke obviously has a lot of faults. The issues listed are childish bitching and not remotely the problem. The problem is game management and not being able to develop talent. Wearing a headset and the response to Gibbon's, which was obviously controlled by the university, are far down the list.
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October 26th, 2014 at 7:43 AM ^
"the ducks are in a row this time".
I seem to remember the same thing being said when replacing Lloyd. Instead our AD was lost at sea and the next year we ended up 3-9.
October 26th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
you're signature at the bottom made this post even better somehow.
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October 26th, 2014 at 9:21 AM ^
I think a mid-season firing is highly unlikely. If Brandon is the one who had to pull the trigger, he would be hammered for making a move to save his job. If Brandon is let go right now, a Hoke decision would not come until the new AD was in place.
In my frustration, I want a quick resolution as well. I just don't see a scenario where it happens before the end of the season.
That makes this season especially difficult to watch, because as each week goes by I worry some excuse will be made to retain Hoke.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^
Doesnt' really accomplish much. It's childish and petulant in my opinion, unless the coach does something to be fired "with cause" like punching a Clemson linebacker or embarrassing the program like wrecking your bike with your 20 year old mistress.
I think what's more important is for the team to make a bowl game and to get 15 additional practices, (even with a coaching staff that can't develop them.)
Phone calls either have been made or will be made, quietly, to the Harbaughs or any other coaching candidate with an NFL job, probably the Monday after the Ohio State loss when Hoke is fired and Nuss is named interim coach either to prepare the team for the bowl game or to try to salvage recruiting. If both of the Harbaughs tell whomever is calling them that there is "zero chance whatsoever" then tell them good luck, and get a new coach by the second week of December. (Rodriguez was hired I think on December 17th for comparison's sake).
If either of the Harbaughs indicate they'd like to talk about the job but won't do so until their season is over, we'll know, because the coaching search will be very quiet, Hoke fired or not. Then I don't care how bad this recruiting class is; I'll give up some talented 18 year olds for stability at the leadership position.
If the wheels are turning in early December, you know it's not a Harbaugh coming to UM, and the attention turns to Miles, Jones, Martin, Herman, Stoops, Cameron, Schiano, etc.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
Firing the coach midseason is about acknowledging with action that what's happening isn't cutting it. It begins the process of eradicating the poison and changing the culture back to a winning one. Hoke faces the question at every news conference, "do you think your team is comfortable with losing?" Allowing this death march to continue is basically admitting that you are, at least, more comfortable with losing than you are with making this decision.
The only reason that makes sense to me for why he should coach the rest of the year is if it's believed he gives us the best chance to win those games and beat OSU. Since it's clear that Hoke's best efforts are delivering 30+ point losses to rivals and near misses to cupcakes, there's no point in allowing him to continue.
And if we're worried about the team falling apart, it's already happened.They're playing hard but they're not playing, they can barely do simple things like catch and throw anymore because there's so much else happening. I think these kids deserve to play without Hoke's future hanging over their every move. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they played better once the vice grip around the neck of the program is removed. The atmosphere is absolutely toxic, and what will keep this team together is if they remember how to have fun playing football again - for Michigan.