Pat Forde Eviscerates MSU
Maybe we've beaten this horse to death the past few days, and if we have, let this be the eulogy at the funeral.
A great read that touches on the bloated contracts of unproven coaches at other schools but this repeated elbow drops from the top row.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/02/12/michigan-state-mel-tucker-salary-ncaa
February 13th, 2020 at 1:26 PM ^
MSU eviscerates MSU even better, just watch their behavior over the last few years.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:50 PM ^
Enough already, who really cares about MSU on this board right now.
We need a snowflake thread for all this MSU static.
They’ll stink for a long while, no need to burn CPU cycles on that junk.
I’d rather read some OT threads with great comments like homemade or canned gravy....please!
February 14th, 2020 at 1:36 AM ^
Homemade
February 13th, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
Wow. Brutal.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
Who saw this coming?.....The answer (of course) is the RCMB who had a thread last night predicting that the “blue wall” and various other haters would try to keep MSU and Tucker down because we are scared and need MSU to be down to promote our delusions of superiority. Personally, I am glad that Pat saw the group Email last night and got the ball rolling..#illuMinati.
(I will now attempt to stop posting RCMB updates..I admit I am over-enjoying the manic/depressive postings of the last week but will try to control myself.)
February 13th, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^
I normally read rcmb for fun, but I can't right now. Every third post is comparing their overpayment situation to Michigan with a coach who "consistently finishes third", "never beats his rival", "can't make it to indy" as examples of how we, too, are overpaying. We aren't. Harbaugh brings inconceivable amounts of money and attention to the program -- regardless of his record. There is almost no amount that would be too high.
February 13th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
That and it’s “overpaying” a guy that gets you 9 or 10 wins each year. What are they going to be getting for their money? 6 or 7 maybe...
February 13th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
So.. what you're saying is... you're in complete denial, and think coaches should be elevated to deity status...
Name checks out
February 13th, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^
Every third post is comparing their overpayment situation to Michigan with a coach who "consistently finishes third", "never beats his rival",
But wait, I thought MSU insisted that they were our rival?
February 13th, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
I disagree with some of what you said, but ultimately it’s a hilarious argument for them to make given that they’ve spent the last 5 years or so arguing that Michigan overpays, when they’re paying $5.5MM for a guy with a total of 5 wins as a head coach in his life. It might work out, or they may pay a cool million per win to him per season. Time will tell.
February 14th, 2020 at 10:28 AM ^
Yea but Saban recommended this guy ;-)
February 13th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^
"We" aren't overpaying because "we" can afford it. I don't know how MSU feels good when they don't want to pay rape victims, but will overpay an overrated coach $5mil because they don't want negative press.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:29 PM ^
I’ve been reading it a lot lately and HOOOOO BOYYYY are they disconnected from reality over there. It’s caused me to reevaluate my own viewpoints on a few things. Every single article written about them that isn’t 1000% glowing is discarded as the media being out to get them or Michigan fans engineering bad publicity for them. Newsflash: you’re giving our fan base too much credit!
February 13th, 2020 at 1:50 PM ^
Systems have to justify their own existence and do so often directly in the face of sensible reform, appeals to fairness, and even basic logic. Change is the existential threat, and it will be resisted in deference to pitifully-justified reasoning and the warming comfort of the status quo.
February 13th, 2020 at 5:36 PM ^
#BernievTrump2020 #BurnItAllDown
February 13th, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^
I've been off the board. They're paying Tucker $5.5 million?!? I should have been a mediocre college football coach!
February 13th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
I don't understand why they just didn't find some lower level coach that at least had a winning damn record. No one even halfway decent would take the gig for $5.5 million?
I mean, I know it's a bad scene over there, but are the players actual cannibals or something? Because that's A LOT of money to pay for a nobody.
Hell, I could have done it for 1/3 of that money. Might have even gotten them to a bowl game with my strict regimen of PED's and Bolivian marching powder.
February 13th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
Strict regiment of PED's and Bolivian marching powder...
Add in some disrespek't and you would be D'antigornio 2.0
February 13th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^
I love when Brad Pitt says that in Inglorious Basterds
February 13th, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
As far as I can figure it you have to be either Alumni or past coach to get hired there. I can't believe the new President isn't somehow connected - which will probably mean a short tenure.
I don't think he gets a sniff without having been on the staff before.
February 13th, 2020 at 6:52 PM ^
There are better ways to spend $12M a year, that's for sure,
For example, they could offer Tucker a small raise, but promise him a budget for assistants that's the highest in CFB. If he really cares about winning, he could take it. They can add in performance bonuses. That would both set him up for a better chance of success and make him attractive if he wanted to move up the coaching ladder. If Tucker didn't take that deal, another decent coach would have.
February 13th, 2020 at 7:16 PM ^
You forgot the hookers
February 13th, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^
I liked how the story was about throwing money at coaches, meanwhile I could barely scroll the page due to the deluge of car insurance ads scrolling and popping up at me at the link non-stop.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:07 PM ^
Yeah, that's a pretty rough take on the state of college athletics, not just MSU.
<a smokey boardroom where the commissioners from the Power 5 are all huddled looking at Forde's article>
".. as the Power 5 conferences stratify into the Power 2 Plus Clemson."
<B1G, Pac 12, & BXII commissioners all look at each other>
"They mean the SEC and us, right?" say all three at the same time.
<ACC commissioner sits in corner squashing bugs with his shoe>
February 13th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^
I think he meant, "The Power 2 Plus Clemson and Oklahoma". Although there is an argument to be made for, "The SEC Plus Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State".
February 13th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Yeah I think his exaggeration of the B1G was made simply on monetary metrics, not on success rate. That's the real rub with Michigan's situation, we're payin' the money and still at the same level; which means something is very wrong in A2.
OSU is in a league of its own at this point in the B1G, that separation is getting larger every year as well.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^
Good hire by MSU all things considered. He is a good recruiter and they could have done worse. Also hired a person of color which is good.
Give them credit for spending some cash to settle things down.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
Give them credit?! They had no fucking choice. Unless they went with some unknown and paid him a more reasonable salary. Which they should've done. But they should've done this a long time ago with their entire university. Fresh, new faces unattached to the wretched organization that has been at the helm for however long.
The article was about the hypocrisy of all of this. The fact that we don't know how to get some of these players some of this money...the reasons we actually watch this shit show. But Michigan fucking State can shell out $5 million to a dude with a mediocre at-best track record yet a year prior make astonishing complaints about paying victims of their university's atrocious rape scandal.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
I think that's what he meant by giving credit. LOL
February 13th, 2020 at 3:45 PM ^
So they did have a choice. This is all just fodder for the off season. If he wins, no one will remember this article. We don't know what kind of coach he will be. I'm of the opinion that if you can afford it, pay whatever you like. That's what the money is there for. The money for the victims is not from the same funds. I just don't understand why so many on this board gives a shit. Our coach makes a ton of money and he hasn't won anything yet.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^
Couldn't agree more... so why not trash Harbaugh, find a young upstart and a good supporting cast and see where that leads us. Save the extra $$$ for the next big name that comes along.
"BO WHO?"
February 13th, 2020 at 5:08 PM ^
This might be the dumbest take I've ever read on this board. Congrats!
February 13th, 2020 at 7:38 PM ^
ldevon’s or lostwages??? They both rank up there on all time worst takes!
February 13th, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
"You wanna watch out for that road"
February 13th, 2020 at 2:20 PM ^
Agree with most of his take. Forde is just fooling himself though if he thinks Hollis would have had the stones to end the Dantonio era any differently than the way Beekman did. Raise your hand if you think Manuel would have the balls to fire Harbaugh if the time came(aside from a massive violation/legal trouble). Hollis, Dantonio, and Izzo ran that university and were there to support each other with pay raises and media praise. Hollis would probably have run the coaching search better tho.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
Hard to argue with any of Forde's points.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^
They replaced a waffling flake with a waffling flake. Lol. Love it.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:30 PM ^
I still say we should just outright buy MSU and make it U of M EL, sort of like the UC system. And then move all of their sports to the MAC.
February 13th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^
Only if we're buying it for the land and can burn it down before starting over.
I wouldn't want to bolt that cancer on to the U of M system.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:33 PM ^
Mel may end up being a good coach, but either way this hiring was obviously a panic move by an institution that has been exposed to the world for many, many months now as seriously mismanaged by inept and corrupt bureaucrats. But once again, and far sooner than they should, MSU will swallow its pride and bury it far, far down where all the Michigan hate springs from.
February 13th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^
Why does what he paid them matter? There's no salary cap in college football. If they had paid him $1.5M a year instead of $5.5M, would that have made it a better hire? These athletics departments have money they don't know what to do with until they pay the players.
$$ should have zero impact on grading the hire.
February 13th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^
Did you actually read it? Because I don’t think you did
February 13th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^
Gee it seems like someone should find an article detailing that, embed it in this OP, and make it the topic of the post!.....or they already did and you just didn’t read the article before choosing to comment.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
I don’t outright disagree, it just comes down to this for me... Are they paying 5 total win Mel Tucker as much or more than they were paying Dantonio?
February 13th, 2020 at 3:39 PM ^
Maybe we've beaten this horse to death the past few days, and if we have, let this be the eulogy at the funeral.
Yeah... RCMB is mocking MGoBlog right now for the volume of MSU posts.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
I just bet they had zero interest in our coaching searches over the last decade and a half.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
I’m actually honored because I went over to take a look and someone actually quoted me. I said this hire is nothing like the Howard hire because teams actually wanted to hire Howard. That place is a tire fire. Someone made a point that Michigan football has only beaten them once in the last 30 years when they have had a good team (8 or more wins) and they think that is somehow a good point.
February 13th, 2020 at 6:40 PM ^
I saw that... hilarious. They were ripping your user name apart too.
I see I'm collecting lots of negs on this and that's fine; my post was rooted in the thought that we make fun of Staee for being little brother -- because little brother doesn't measure success by their own accomplishments but how much they can tear down their brother...
... and here's a large portion of MGoBlog doing the same thing. Sigh.