Our Offense: Pure Gattis, Pure Harbaugh, or a Frankenstein?

Submitted by JDeanAuthor on November 22nd, 2019 at 10:58 AM

I'm not an offense expert, so I'm not qualified to make a full judgment on this, so for those of you who are better experts on offense, but would you say that what you saw against MSU last week was Gattis's offense finally waking up, Harbaugh taking the reins back, or a "Frankenstein" hybrid of the two?

I ask because the people I've talked to can't seem to agree as to whether or not what we're seeing is actually different from years past. 

 

UMFanatic96

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^

I think it's pretty obvious they've taken some elements of what they did well last year and have mixed it with the speed in space elements from Gattis.

They've added more options out of the arc read package and are now throwing bubble screens and RPO's to get the ball out quickly and let the WRs make plays.

I don't see why this is hard to get.

JFW

November 22nd, 2019 at 4:53 PM ^

Yes. And I’m glad for it. 
 

it seems to me sometimes Offensive minded coaches can be too set in a scheme. Borgess with Denard under center. 

Rich Rod rubbing read option with a power team. 

Mooch with the Lions back in the day. 

like it’s good to have a d coordinator that can adjust his scheme to changing circumstances, it’s good to have an offensive team that can do the same. 
 

True Blue Grit

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^

Exactly.  Some people just feel like they have to label this offense as something or another.  Who cares?  If I were an offensive coach, I'd use whatever play I could find if I thought it may give the team an advantage in a situation.  I would have zero problem if Michigan wanted to roll out a wishbone play or Bo-esqe QB option - if it made sense to run.  I personally like the traditional I formation in goal-line situations, especially with a Ben Mason out there.  The direct snap to Haskins didn't work both times we ran it (for example) in the last game.  

bacon1431

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^

Frankenstein. I know Sam Webb says that the run plays were plays that Bama ran in the past. But that doesn't also mean they're not plays that Michigan has ran in the past. Most of that stuff wasn't there early in the year as the run game was not imaginative at all. I think Harbaugh and Warinner and Gattis talked about the run game and what they think works and doesn't work. 

Pass game seems all Gattis. Not as many slow developing two and three man routes as last year. 

bacon1431

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

Their argument just seemed like semantics. Bama has run a pro-spread for several years. That's what Michigan tried to do a bit last year. Run game worked, pass game didn't. Gattis comes in and runs his offense, which is a variant of Bama's. Run game was pretty bland and got better as the year went on. Just like last year. Gattis still running the offense. Don't think getting help in the run game makes it not his offense. Argument just seemed weird. 

bronxblue

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^

It's a combination of both, along with a QB and WRs being more consistent.  The running game is more modern Harbaugh while the passing attack is very Gattis.  But none of it would matter if Patterson wasn't playing better and the offensive players around him were more comfortable executing the playcalls.  Of, and not fumbling every 3rd possession.

MGJS SuperKick Party

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^

It’s a Frankenstein. Its Josh Gattis’ offense, but you know that Harbaugh is watching film and is suggesting things he thinks will work. Sometimes you just lean more on strengths - ND being more Harbaugh, Penn State being 50/50 and MSU being more Gattis.

EastCoast_Wolv…

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^

Definitely Frankenstein. Even with all the speed in space in the last game Mason played FB/TE about 30% of all offensive snaps (per Brian's UFR) and they had 2 or fewer WRs on about 30% of all offensive snaps.

What is most promising from the past few games is that their "Frankenstein" approach isn't just a combination of the two within a single game-- they seem willing to adjust and emphasize whichever approach is most appropriate each game. After Notre Dame everyone was talking about how much the offense resembled last year's offense, and then after the MSU game everyone is now talking about speed in space.

Mitch Cumstein

November 22nd, 2019 at 1:59 PM ^

I think mason is a pretty unique player, and some of the formations used against MSU maximize his ability to impact the game. I liked the concept of leaking him out of the backfield (he eligible so can leak) to block downfield on short passing plays. I think we’ll see some of this against OSU and will use the same formation for him to take some hard chips at Young.

Swazi

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

According to Sam it’s pure Gattis.  Sam talked to members of the coaching staff about it.  Pure Gattis.

 

Brian says Frankenstein (used the run game from last year).

 

I am inclined to think Gattis was smart enough to take suggestions from Harbaugh and Ed.   But I don’t think he just asked for last year’s play sheet or anything.  Alabama runs pin and pulls, split zone, inside zone, etc too, it’s not like it’s some alien concept for Gattis and needed those two to introduce them to him.

 

i don’t really care as long as the offense keeps humming along.  I don’t know why it’s such a big deal to Brian or Sam.

MCalibur

November 22nd, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^

I don’t think it matters either. However, I’m willing to bet that the players would refer to pin-pull as that play we ran last year rather than the play Bama ran last year. It’s the kind of argument that isn’t worth having... the offense is versatile and functional. That’s all anyone who roots for Michigan should care about.

m9tt

November 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^

The big deal is that Sam won't hold Gattis accountable for the poor start to the season and puts the blame on turnovers and execution by the players (transition costs). Brian points out that what Alabama ran last year, what Michigan ran last year, and what we're running now are all in the same neighborhood, so there's no logical explanation for the half-installed run game from the first few weeks (especially using the Spring Game playbook as a barometer). Sam rebuffs that what Michigan was running last year (in the run game) is related to this year's offense because Al Borges said so.

KBLOW

November 22nd, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^

Those concepts were sure as hell alien to Gattis through the first half of the season. Given what Gattis is being paid and the high profile of his position, it's quite startling that it took him so long to actually incorporate them. But they're in now, so I guess it's water under the bridge, but no one (I'm looking at Sam) should use that to excuse an incompetent decision not to use them all season long.

UMForLife

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^

For me, what matters is that we finally have an offense that can win games for us against good defenses. We can win in a shootout or we can grind them to death. A few more years (hope Gattis stays) in this system, we are going to be a death star. Get some more star players on DL and retain the offensive coaches, we will be finally on par with OSU talent and scheme wise. Very exciting and the future is bright.

reshp1

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^

My take is: who cares? 

I would hope an offensive minded head coach and his OC can put their egos aside and work together to create an offense that is the most effective possible. Who gets the credit or blame is pretty irrelevant.

readyourguard

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:39 AM ^

Harbaugh gave Gattis the keys to the car.  Gattis was an inexperienced driver who didn't fully know how to drive this type of car.  Jim stood quietely as Gattis tried figuring it out.  And when Josh was stuck in second gear, Jim showed him how to shift.

Gattis brought elements of Alabama's offense that were a jumbled mess at the start because he tried feeding the players through a fire hose.  WITH JIM'S GUIDANCE, Gattis was able to combine elements of the Alabama offense with staples of Jim's offense.  He started taking what the defense gave him and coupled it with power run plays the players were comfortable running.

Credit goes to Gattis not being a stubborn mule (a la RichRod or Borges) for mashing together his vision with elements of the last year's offense, and creating what we've seen the last month.

This idea that Gattis is "RUNNING ALABAMA'S OFFENSE" is short-sighted, and somewhat confusing as to why Sam insists on making that such an important talking point.

drjaws

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:56 AM ^

It’s ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain

100% kicking MSUs ass again 

 

 

/fort minor’d