Other DC possibilities that have been mentioned

Submitted by AMazinBlue on
Recently, there was some talk of looking at Dick Bumpas of TCU and Greg Hudson of East Carolina. Obviously they have had some pretty good success of late. Any legs to any of the thoughts bringing one of these guys to AA? Just hoping there are more viable options than what has been discussed. Realistically, any NFL DC isn't an otion simply because of money, right. Even though RR mentioned the NFL in an interview about the DC search.

chitownblue (not verified)

January 17th, 2009 at 11:23 AM ^

I don't think there has been a rumor about either - the talk is more "It would be cool if we could get this guy..."

AMazinBlue

January 17th, 2009 at 11:36 AM ^

RR must have a list of at least 7-8 prospects, right? He can't be betting the farm on Grob or JH. Wouldn't you think he has at least 3-4 others that were on his short list. I know Tenuta turned him down, but that was early on. Of a list a GOOD candidates, not pie-in-the-sky hopefuls, who would logically be on the list of quality DCs that might have interest?

chitownblue (not verified)

January 17th, 2009 at 12:19 PM ^

I'm honestly not up on my college assistant coaches. One guy that strikes me is Ron Vanderlinden, the LB coach at PSU. He was a good DC at Northwestern, a poor head coach, and is now an extremely successful LB coach.

jBdub

January 17th, 2009 at 1:57 PM ^

Vanderlinden was offered and turned the position down. My guess, since this report came on a day when Rodriguez himself said he was only getting started with the process, is that what Vanderlinden turned down was the opportunity to be considered.

GoNewBlue

January 17th, 2009 at 11:47 AM ^

To be honest, I am more optimistic about our chances to land another 4-star(or better) CB or QB this year than a quality DC. I don't see any quality info from any source that leads me to believe otherwise. I just check my favorite sites daily, praying that a headline that will put my mind to ease will magically appear.

Lumpers

January 17th, 2009 at 11:53 AM ^

As I mentioned months ago on this blog, yes even before The Knowledge's famous shot heard round the M Go Blog....Shafer was going to be the scapegoat of the season since we had several starters returning and a solid D line. While I didn't think this was all his fault, its obvious to me that RR's strategy of looking for top assistants across the board looks good on paper, but in reality is flawed. There was obviously no chemistry amongst the D staff and when it was hitting the fan, Shafer's subordinates that are Coach Rod guys, were obviously telling him behind the scenes..."we need to do this...we need to do that"....etc....hence the 3-3-5 experiment at Purdue...and the subsequently embarrassing outcome. At the time I suggested Dick Bumpas at TCU since he's a proven DC and fields a consistent top20 defense in almost all key categories for many years. I don't have time to dig up the numbers again, but trust me, he is legit. I had hoped he would be contacted, but who knows if it happened, unless Brian has some inside scoop on this possibility. But the same situation remains now and this is the reason it is taking Coach Rod so long to find a new DC. Any DC worth a grain of salt is going to want to bring in a few of his "guys", and I can guarantee you this is the rub for our head coach right now. But I appreciate this dilemma and do understand Coach Rod wants his "guys" surrounding him. When I assemble my sales teams, I do the same thing. Bring in proven performers that I know will execute for me, but also assimilate well into the company culture where they will have to navigate well to be successful. Given this situation, I am willing to be patient to make sure this is the right hire. And if the option to bring in the DC's own guys is off the table, several mtgs need to take place with the DC candidates and the current assistants to make sure he isn't setting up another oil and water scenario. Something about Greg Robinson smells to me and I think Coach Rod can do better. But that's why we are paying him the big bucks....so we'll see how this plays out. Go Blue! "Those who stay will be champions....."

AMazinBlue

January 17th, 2009 at 12:19 PM ^

RR must be concerned about Hopson's future bacause if we are talking about his bolting to the South some day soon, he must also. If Bumpas or someone like him was interested, then maybe giving Hopson his option might open at least one door for the future Dc to bring in one of his own. I know it creates a lot of turmoil and lack of continuity, but what is more valuable, a DC with great upside and recruiting ties or keeping what you originally assembled in tact as much as possible. I know Hopson is a great recruiter and one of our BIG keys to the South, but a poor choice for DC will lose us more recruits than keeping someone else for one more year will retain.

NJWolverine

January 17th, 2009 at 12:40 PM ^

RR doesn't want Casteel for some reason. That is probably very clear by now. But he for some reason wants Gibson and Tall. And it's pretty clear he doesn't want to get rid of Hopson after one year (which is perfectly understandable given his recruiting potential and the fact that he was dealt a horrible hand at the LB position). But he, along with the rest of us, wants a top DC. But a top DC is likely to want to bring in at least one of "his" guys, preferably two (I assume Tall is safe no matter what). So a top DC would necessarily entail the dismissal of two other assistant. Gibson is fine as far as I'm concerned but Hopson would be unfair. This is why Greg Robinson is so tempting right now. He's an old guy. He most likely doesn't have an ego anymore (not after his abysmal tenure at Syracuse) and he probably wouldn't mind the guys on the staff now. So Greg Robinson saves the current staff and he brings a tantalizing NFL component that is sure to attract recruits. That all works out in theory. The question is, is Greg Robinson legitimate. Greg Robinson would be a huge risk. If the defense does well, the staff is saved and you have a stabilizer with NFL experience. This is not unlike what Urban Meyer did after Michigan completely exposed his defense. He brought in Bedford, but he also brought in former Iowa St. coach Dan McCarney. An experienced stabilizer is very attractive right now, but the downside is what happens if Robinson fails. That is the big concern because Robinson is anything but a shoe in given his mixed record. It would contravene everything Michigan has stood for if the DC and two assistants were fired after one year. But Michigan irreversibly changed their culture by hiring RR. I don't think it would be a good idea to settle on a risky choice when there are so many other proven DC out there. You just have to get rid of Gibson (who isn't that good to begin with) and Hopson (who is the sacrificial lamb). It's a business. I'm just waiting to see if RR and the administration have the guts to go through with this. Otherwise, we're going to have to pray that Robinson is effective.

NJWolverine

January 17th, 2009 at 4:17 PM ^

Why would Casteel cast himself on an island at WVU under the leadership of Bill Stewart. It seems to make little sense, but I'm just assuming. And another thing, RR just said he was going to go with a base 4 3 or 3 4 and Casteel runs the stack, so there's a problem there as well.

chitownblue (not verified)

January 17th, 2009 at 4:18 PM ^

Castell came to UM with RR when he took the job. Clearly, RR would have liked to have him, or he would have invited him along. Casteel stayed at WVU. Rivals reported that Casteel was again offered the job weeks ago, and turned it down for the same reason - he doesn't want to move his family.

NJWolverine

January 17th, 2009 at 8:04 PM ^

then there are some serious problems going on in RR's head. He clearly stated that he was going with a base 4 3 or 3 4, not the stack, but if he offered to Casteel, then that would contradict what he said. It doesn't seem like there is any sort of set plan on defense, which is problematic. An offer sounds serious. Has anyone else been offered the job?

Don

January 17th, 2009 at 12:50 PM ^

because of RR's familiarity with him, among other things. That's not looking too likely now, since I would have thought the deal would have been announced not too long after WVU's bowl game. There's a public relations angle to this, too. RR's coming off a historically bad season, and rightfully or not, his reputation has taken a hit. I don't see how hiring someone who just finished three of the worst seasons in D-1A in the last 30 years at a BCS school is going to help RR. It's not as though Robinson's defenses have been uniformly great; except for a couple years with Denver and one year with Texas, his record is frankly downright crappy. I were a coach out on the recruiting trails going after a top defensive prospect that Michigan was also recruiting, I would make sure that the recruit was well aware of GR's record if he were Michigan's DC.

Blue Balls

January 17th, 2009 at 2:55 PM ^

Michigan "let go" Scott Schafer and He takes the DC job at Syracuse. Head Coach Robinson gets "fired" from Syracuse and His name surfaces for the DC job at Michigan. No way, do I buy this BS! Coach Robinson ran the Syracuse Football Program into the ground. At best, this guy is a bigger gamble than Coach Shafer.

NJWolverine

January 17th, 2009 at 4:16 PM ^

You can criticize Robinson all you want and that's perfectly fine. There's a lot to criticize. But you can never take away the fact that he has 2 Super Bowl rings and plenty of NFL experience, which means he has contacts, which means he knows what NFL scouts are looking for, which means recruits will relate to that because they obviously want to play in the NFL, which will benefit our recruiting even though Robinson himself couldn't recruit at all but now that's not such a problem because there's a staff that knows how to recruit now and this is Michigan, not a dying Syracuse. Still, if you're going down the stabilizer road, I would go with Dan McCarney (current Florida assistant and former Iowa State coach with many stints in the B10). He knows the B10, which is huge.

The Spread

January 17th, 2009 at 3:42 PM ^

"At best, this guy is a bigger gamble than Coach Shafer." I completely disagree with your statement. Remember this guy has 2 SuperBowl rings as a DC. Maybe he was overburdened as a head coach but who knows? The point is he is a substantial upgrade over Schafer and has twice as much experience. He might not be a great recruiter but if i recall correctly, Schafer was not a good one either. The only recruit he was real close with was Thomas Gordon.

chally

January 17th, 2009 at 4:18 PM ^

I hope coach Rod at least takes a look at Brian Stewart. He was just fired as DC of the Cowboys. His firing in Dallas appears to be a personality conflict, rather than a performance problem, as his team was 9th and 8th in his last two years respectively (and led the league in sacks this year). It was his first DC stint. He'd been a secondary coach in the NFL and in College before that (Syracuse, Missouri, and San Jose State). It's unlikely that he'll be up for another DC position in the NFL right now, so he'll be choosing between a DC opportunity in college or a Secondary Coach position in the bigs. Word is, he's also a really impressive interviewer (which makes me think he'd be a great salesman as a recruiter). Some of his Dallas players complained that he tried too much to be their father or a brother, rather than just their coach. While that style may not work in the pros, a mentoring/nurturing coach could be really useful for developing 18 year olds (and putting their families at ease when sending them off to college). Would he want to come here? Who knows. But he's the type of guy that I'd like to see us at least reach out to.

tpilews

January 17th, 2009 at 5:44 PM ^

You're this first I've heard anyone mention his name. But after learning a little bit about him, I hope you're not the last to mention his name. A guy like that is exactly what UM needs. I think the NFL experience of GRob is good and all, but it's only going to get him, and UM, so far. I'd like to see UM get a guy that is a motivator and will teach the fundamentals.

Jay

January 18th, 2009 at 12:00 PM ^

I believe Sam & Tom mentioned on WTKA last week that UofM is offering around $250,000 a year for the next DC. Consider that its rumored Illinois just offered Larry Johnson Sr. around $400,000-$500,000 a year for their vacant DC job. Face it. Rich Rod's hands are tied when it comes to who he can realistically offer the DC position to because of financial constraints placed upon him by the university itself.

Blue Balls

January 17th, 2009 at 7:04 PM ^

I can't argue the accomplishments Coach Robinson had with the Denver Bronco's , like you said the Super Bowl Rings speak for themselves . What I can argue is Robinson's 3-25 record in the Big East. That's 3 wins and 25 losses and 9-36 overall. This guy stuck a fork into the Syracuse Football Program. NJWolverine did make reference that "Robinson himself couldn't recruit at all" and this is college football not the NFL where you can't just open a check book and get a player(unless were talking OSU). I have to admit that I was surprised that He didn't do better at Syracuse based on his experience at Texas-UCLA,KC and Denver.

NJWolverine

January 17th, 2009 at 8:10 PM ^

While no one can excuse the absolutely atrocious record Robinson had at Syracuse, you do have to look at the situation there. There is very little talent in New York state and New England in general. PA recruiting is competitive with Penn State, OSU, us, ND, Rutgers, ACC teams etc... and NJ is now being raided by ND, Michigan and Rutgers. Back in the day, Syracuse didn't have to deal with Michigan or Rutgers. As more and more schools expand the geographical reach of their recruiting, less talent will trickle to Syracuse, and to BC for that matter, which is why their inexplicable firing will only set them back for many years to come. What we do know is that Robinson can't recruit, but that doesn't mean he can't coach once the talent is there. Still, it's a risk, but not a sure thing one way or the other.

chitownblue (not verified)

January 17th, 2009 at 11:22 PM ^

Syracuse is one of the twenty most successful football programs in the history of college football, as measured by winning percentage. In the 10 years prior to Robinson's arrival, they were one of the 25 most successful programs. To pretend that Syrcause is a place at which it is impossible or even difficult to win is to ignore every shred of available evidence.