OT: Ugly story out of Baylor. Transfer DE accused of sexual assault last year, goes without mention until now.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/
Pretty unsettling stuff. Alleged incident happened in 2013. Local media basically ignored the story. Player had been kicked out of Boise State for similar allegations.
"So were the following facts: That Ukwuachu transferred to Baylor in May 2013 because he had been kicked off the Boise State team for a previous incident of violence involving a female student; that Ukwuachu claimed after the transfer was announced that Baylor’s coaches “knew everything” about what happened in Idaho; and, as indicated by court documents obtained by Texas Monthly, the two programs had some communication regarding Ukwuachu in which Boise State officials expressed reticence about supporting the player’s efforts to get back on the field."
August 20th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^
to talking about countertops.
August 20th, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^
....or private schools! Come to think of it, we have not had a good jorts thread in a long while.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:22 PM ^
I have to go to a kid rock concert tomorrow night. This is helpful.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^
I got you covered:
August 20th, 2015 at 5:49 PM ^
My 7 yo daughter went to school today in cutoff jeans (cousin's old jeans had holes, so cut off the legs into jorts) and a homemade tie-dyed t-shirt. Jorts are "just right" length.
August 20th, 2015 at 9:44 PM ^
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August 20th, 2015 at 4:05 PM ^
with his head.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:29 PM ^
Which one???
August 20th, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^
potentially both!
August 20th, 2015 at 4:08 PM ^
We haven't really discussed dog's anal glands lately. That might be a good topic!
(An awful story, OP, but so far removed from things Michigan and things B1G. Thank goodness. Good to see the local TX media pressing the issue, though.)
August 20th, 2015 at 9:46 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 9:59 PM ^
So is more than half of the other stuff posted here. I'm glad the OP posted it even though seeing stuff like this puts me in a sour mood. Art Briles seemed like a douche, and I was already rooting for TCU over them. I easily could have missed something, but it seems Patterson runs a pretty clean program.
This is also more informative and interesting than another Michigan W-L prediction thread or RR vs. Hoke debate.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:08 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^
chances--second chances are fine. But paying the penalties in the FIRST place, due process, little stuff like that, often gets omitted entirely. After he goes to jail, sure, I'd let him try out for my team--that is if my university would admit him and playing met the terms of his parole, etc.
August 20th, 2015 at 8:35 PM ^
or w/out a trial?
August 20th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^
I think that some folks may read your comment in a way that you probably didn't mean.
I assume that we can agree that the actions described in the article (a premeditated rape of a woman who was screaming "no" while being overpowered) is more than a "fuck up." It is a serious felony from which there are no second chances until justice has been served.
While he is presumed to be innocent, he has been indicted. As such, these are a bit more than mere allegations. I don't think he should play or practice with the team until the trial is over.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:42 PM ^
(W)hen asked about Ukwuachu by the Waco Tribune-Herald after news of the charges finally broke - more than a year after the initial indictment - Baylor head coach Art Briles told reporters "I like the way we've handled it as a university, and athletic department, and a football program"
Well, Art - so long as you're satisfied, I guess we're cool.
August 21st, 2015 at 12:45 AM ^
I am confused. Is raping multiple women not fucking up?
August 21st, 2015 at 9:50 AM ^
Are you trying to be funny? If so, have you read the article about what (allegedly) happened to that woman?
If you have answered yes to both questions, then I simply cannot help you.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:14 PM ^
1) Cargo Shorts: Who Decided that I Shouldn't Wear Them Anymore?
2) Rate the Fast Casual Dining Options in Salt Lake City
3) Allison Brie vs Emma Stone. GO!
4) Since We've Fired Ausmus (not yet, but soon) Who's the Tiger's New Manager
August 20th, 2015 at 4:19 PM ^
my thoughts:
1)I still wear cargo shorts, usually 2-3 times a week
2)5 Wives Burgers is my favorite
3)never heard of Allison Brie so Emma Stone
4)Hate baseball
August 20th, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^
How have you never heard of Alison Brie? I'd post a gif (or 10) but this may not be the best thread for that.
August 20th, 2015 at 7:10 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 10:14 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
1) rather indifferent
2) no clue
3) Alison Brie by a mile
4) I know next to nothing about baseball except who the better players and teams are...
August 20th, 2015 at 5:58 PM ^
1) No idea, but I get the feeling it's turning into more of a 30/40 year old thing now. Kids these days, they don't wear 'em.
2) Not fast casual, but any trip to SLC would be incomplete without stopping by Red Iguana and having some of their fantastic mole and horchata.
3) Not sure I know who either of them are. I might know them if I see them. Wait, is Emma Stone the girl that was in that Tom Cruise sci-fi groundhog's day movie? If so, probably her?
4) Don't care, not a Tigers (or AL) fan.
EDIT: so apparently I was thinking of Emily Blunt. I like her. I have no idea who Emma Stone and Alison Brie are. Looking at Wikipedia, I've only seen one movie with Emma Stone (Amazing Spider Man, the first; I'm not counting The Croods) and no movies with Alison Brie (again, not counting the Lego Movie).
August 20th, 2015 at 8:32 PM ^
me. Never heard of Allison Brie
August 21st, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^
1) Don't know; I've completely given up and wear sweats most of the time.
2) Even Steven's and All Chay look promising.
3) I like to rate the youngsters based on how I think they'll look when they get to my age. Brie by just a bit.
4) MICKEY CALLAWAY. MICKEY CALLAWAY, MICKEY CALLAWAY, MICKEY CALLAWAY. He's a hot prospect and will get a shot from somebody in 2-3 years. Let's be ahead of the curve and grab him now. Love what he's done with the Tribe staff. Is a progressive guy on player development.
There is no chance the front office goes with a first timer. But it's the right call.
August 20th, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^
"As far as these things go I would take this over the mess that is going on with Kane or what went on with Winston.
Sounds like everyone pretty much followed the steps necessary.
Police gathered information, but didn’t see enough for a clear arrest within their area so they passed it off for review - which is far from uncommon.
The grand jury decided there was enough for an indictment and to have it go to trial.
The university & football team scaled back his participation showing that they were taking it serious, but being innocent until proven guilty and all that they didn’t throw him out of school.
The name and details of the accuser are not out in public. No one is calling her a whore, gold digger or trying to kill her credibility before a trial gets off the ground. At this rate, they may actually even be able to select a jury that hasn’t spent months listening to all the chatter on the case and all the hot takers screaming opposite extremes.
The university is protecting the privacy of all it’s students.
The legal system is staring a trial, which will ultimately decide guilt or innocence.
Typically a little more transparency is preferred .... but everything seems to be going in order here in a way that is respectful to the process and not treating both parties harshly. If found guilty, Ukwuachu will have plenty of time in prison and the consequences afterward."
August 20th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
Who went to counseling, still had to change her schedule around, had her scholarship reduced, and ended up leaving school.
I mean... that unfortunately does sound like "par for the course" in lots of these stories, but still is horrible.
August 20th, 2015 at 8:29 PM ^
innocent until proven guilty. I feel bad for the victim but ask the Duke Lacrosse team if girls always tell the truth. Sad, but true.
August 20th, 2015 at 5:41 PM ^
So were the following facts: That Ukwuachu transferred to Baylor in May 2013 because he had been kicked off the Boise State team for a previous incident of violence involving a female student; that Ukwuachu claimed after the transfer was announced that Baylor’s coaches “knew everything” about what happened in Idaho; and, as indicated by court documents obtained by Texas Monthly, the two programs had some communication regarding Ukwuachu in which Boise State officials expressed reticence about supporting the player’s efforts to get back on the field.
Apparently Boise State's silence about this being a good idea was too silent for Baylor, but then you would hope that one of the lessons here would be that schools would be totally open about why players are being dismissed from programs, especially for reasons like this. Very disturbing indeed.
August 21st, 2015 at 12:09 AM ^
When someone asks you for a reference regarding someone your firm has fired, are you totally open about the cause?
August 20th, 2015 at 6:58 PM ^
to kick them off of their own football team, not to police every other football team in the country. Baylor knew he left the Boise team for some reason. It was their job to figure out what was up.
August 20th, 2015 at 7:40 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 8:23 PM ^
kicking him off of the team is "the bare minimum"?
So now when a University gives a kid a scholarship, if that kid does something wrong, the University has signed up to not only kick the kid off the team, but to follow him around 24/7 to make sure his life is sufficiently destroyed while he waits for the wheels of justice to finally turn?
He has not yet been proven guilty of anything, regardless of the stink of guilt on him. There are most likely legal and privacy issues invovled here with Boise State going out and broadcasting to the world that they shouldn't touch this kid. If they were to tell everyone to stay away and then he was found NOT guilty, he could most likely sue the living crap out of Boise for defamation and for damaging his future prospects.
IMO Boise did EXACTLY what they should have. They kicked him off their team and they are letting the judicial system handle it. The fact that some other team looks like they didn't do their homework is not really Boise's fault.
Edit: I failed to mention that the current trial is for the crap he did at Baylor AFTER he transferred. I'm assuming he didn't go to jail for whatever happened at Boise or everyone woulld have known about it. So I really don't know what more people wanted Boise to do here. They kicked him off the team and refused to give him any recommendations.
August 20th, 2015 at 9:05 PM ^
I'm not entirely sure whether Boise did everything they should have or not. The Baylor football coaches, athletic director, and whoever is in charge of investigating student affairs, the Waco police, and the Waco sports, though sure seem to have done everything (or not done anything as the case may be) to minimize this alleged rape. The school certainly appears to care far more about winning football games than investigating rape charges.
August 20th, 2015 at 9:07 PM ^
I'm not entirely sure whether Boise did everything they should have or not. The Baylor football coaches, athletic director, and whoever is in charge of investigating student affairs, the Waco police, and the Waco sports reporters, though, sure seem to have done everything (or not done anything as the case may be) to minimize this alleged rape. The school certainly appears to care far more about winning football games than investigating rape charges or ensuring safety for female students.
August 20th, 2015 at 9:14 PM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 10:14 PM ^
Are you calling on Boise State Univeristy to personally prosecute the young man for whatever happened in Idaho? What was he charged with there? Was he ever charged with anything? Clearly he didn't go to jail or we would be hearing about that right?
I can't find anything that indicates he was accused of a rape while at Boise. I've seen references to an abusive relationship with his girlfriend. Obviously that's pretty bad, and was bad enough to get him kicked off the football team. But to insinuate that Boise is somehow responsible for making sure this guy never played football again is just not right.
You can only be responsible for what you can control. Boise can't control the police, or the justice system, or what other teams do. They kicked the guy off their team and refused to recommend him to anyone else. Beyond that, I think expecting them to somehow police this guy's life going forward is just wrong. If they had willfully covered up things for him and told other teams he was a great guy or something I might agree that things were rotten here, but I just don't see it.
August 20th, 2015 at 11:11 PM ^
August 21st, 2015 at 12:41 AM ^
what exactly are you saying? Boise State dismissed him from their football team and refused to recommend him to any other programs. Apparently they did so without him actually being convicted of any crime. So what else exactly were they supposed to do in this situation?
You're the one saying Boise "passed the buck" and was "cowardly". How so? What action were they supposed to take here?
I'm not sure what relevance your link has on Boise State's actions in this matter. The crime he was just conviced for occurred AFTER he transferred to Baylor. So yeah, guy's clearly a bad dude. That doesn't mean Boise State acted incorrectly. Acting incorrectly would have been sweeping his earlier actions under the rug and keeping him on their own team.
August 21st, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^
August 21st, 2015 at 5:39 PM ^
Whether they could have could have done more internally i don't know, but as far as responding to prospective employers/schools is concerned, "refusing to recommend" is the absolute maximum their attorneys would have allowed Boise's coaches to do in a situation like this.
August 22nd, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^
August 20th, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^
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August 20th, 2015 at 8:18 PM ^
...if concussions and other injuries don't end college football, it is this kind of willful ignorance of allowing a predator on your team to win more games that could kill it.
August 20th, 2015 at 10:48 PM ^