OT: Tim Hardaway Jr. traded
Seems he is being sent to the Atlanta Hawks.
The Knicks are trading Tim Hardaway to the Hawks, who will draft Jerian Grant for the Knicks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) June 26, 2015
Link to story on Knicks' trading Tim Hardaway to Atlanta for Notre Dame's Jerian Grant. http://t.co/3W03SLz2Y1
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) June 26, 2015
Wish he were a stone
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Looks like the Knicks got their PG in Jerian Grant... NYC can relax a little bit...
Good for Hardaway. Got himself in a nice situation in Atlanta with Budenholzer n co.
ESPN is STILL reporting that Hardaway was dealt to the Wizards. How the hell are they still in business when they get the major details wrong? Even Wikipedia is correct.
If he hurries he can catch the train at midnight...
(woo! Woo!)
I'd rather live in his world than live without him in mine.
Sorry if that sounds a little creepy.
He should be careful. I hear the devil went down there...
Wolverines to play/coach for the Atlanta Hawks.
Player |
Pos. |
Years |
---|---|---|
Mike McGee |
G |
1986-87 |
Mike McGee |
G |
1987-88 |
Tim McCormick |
C |
1990-91 |
Rumeal Robinson |
G |
1990-91 – 1991-92 |
Phil Hubbard |
Asst. Coach |
1997-98 – 1999-00 |
Jamal Crawford |
G |
2009-10 – 2010-11 |
That 5 would win some games!
Who hasn't JCrossover played for at this point?
Unless, you mean ON topic.
Like I said in the other thread, Carmelo Anthony sends his regards (they reportedly almost got into a fist fight in the locker room and hate each other)...except this worked out well for Timmy, so a reminder THAT THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED...
Also, LOL at JR Smith literally leaping over Carmelo's dead body to get a horrible shot off.
why u hate naps?
only basketball players engage in that kind of wussy behavior. and when they fight, they look like they're swinging purses at each other.
Here is what happened...
Edit: I laugh at it, but honestly the whole thing is weird. As much a Melo is maligned in the media he has a sterling reputation in the league as being one of the only superstars in the league (hell, maybe THE only superstar in the league) who doesn't ever flop.
i stand by my 'wussy' comment. looks like he wanted a foul called and tried way, way too hard to make it look good.
1. The officials didn't stop play with a guy laid out on the floor, and
2. The Thunder had a 5-on-4 and managed only to turn the ball over.
Melo is a primadonna... the Knicks got suckered giving him a max contract
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Exactly. I bet this was all Melo's doing. I think he has a KObe-like grip on management who bow to his demands, but most people don't know it. He sucks and he doesn't play hard and he;s making the team worse on the court and off.
Everybody hates Carmelo. The fight was over THJ calling out Anthony for not rebounding, which he took exception to because he's a star. In his own words I believe he responded with "Do you know who I am?"
I think rebounding was the trigger, but IIRC there were also issue between them regarding defense, passing, shot selection. Basically anything that can mark you as a shitty teammate.
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Jerian Grant went to Notre Dame so his draft grade might actually be that of whoever he sat next to in class.
Huh?
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He was suspended for cheating
The fact that the Pistons passed on Winslow, lol...
The ghost of Joe Dumars lives.
Stanley Johnson isn't that bad of a pick...
I think he's very solid, but I think Winslow is better.
The reports coming out are that Winslow slipped because he had a shitty attitude during interviews and workouts. Keep in mind that the Pistons were not the only team to pass on him. He fell pretty far.
No! We can't accept it! Pistons suck! They passed on Trey for KCP (who is turning into a decent NBA player) /s
O
bvious sarcasm aside, I'd like to take the time to bring up this youtube video as an example of KCP at his best and just why the Pistons drafted him, and were absolutely, unequivocally correct in drafting him above Burke...
Here he is, putting the clamps down on James Harden. I'd also like to point out he guards 4 different positions in this clip. That's classic, old school, Detroit Pistons basketball.
Brandon Knight, Greg Monroe, and Andre Drummond.
Sometimes you just make the obvious move.
They are very similar players. You're putting too much stock into the NCAA tournament JW and forgetting about full year JW.
I watched him all year.
He shoots over 40% from 3, he can guard 3 positions, he can attack the basket defend...I think he's just a better overall player. I think Johnson is a solid player and both will succeed in the NBA, I'm not saying he's chopped liver...I just think Winslow is a better player.
In today's NBA you need to be able to score, I trust SVG...but Drummond, a stretch 4, a power SF, KCP and a high volume point guard isn't going to cut it.
Winslow can be an All-Star, to me, that's the difference.
Shoots 40% from 3, but only on limited attempts which were largely wide open. He and Stanley are largely the same. Stanley is a lot bigger and longer, probably a better defender with more defensive potential. Justise is faster and quicker, and finishes better at the rim. They're both remarkably similar players.
Stanley measured at half an inch taller than Winslow, and both will add weight, so I wouldn't say Johnson is a lot bigger.
I think Winslow is a Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, I get people love him. I just don't see it.
Agree 1000%
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Just because Winslow may be better doesn't mean Johnson is bad. It's a false dichotomy.
And remember when everyone shat on the Pistons for not taking Trey? They've had three better PG than Trey since they passed on him in Jennings, Augustin and Jackson. I like Dinwiddie too if he can be healthy. KCP is a great for for SVG anyways
...doesn't mean I think Johnson is bad.
lol, use your EXACT same logic.
I think Johnson is a VERY solid player, I just think Winslow can be an All-Star calibur player. I see Johnson as maybe a DeMarre Carroll...that's still a REALLY good player. But if you're talking Carroll vs. Jimmy Butler, you're probably taking the all-star in Jimmy Butler.
Both are still solid NBA players, just because I think one is better doesn't mean I think the other is bad. Use your exact same logic.
Except you laughed at them for passing on Winslow and said the ghost of Joe Dumars lives.....this can be seen as nothing other than you thinking the Pistons made an extreme folly.
Your analogy only works if Winslow =Butler and Johnson=Carroll. But those aren't really the projections for Winslow, he's considered more of a solid player than a go-to guy. There is little chance Winslow ever becomes an all star. He's a poor jump shooter and will have a tougher time getting to the rim in the pros because defenders will sag off him. He's a glue guy, much like Johnson.
...that's actually what happened.
When I explained my joke and that just because I, Chad Ford (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/insider/story/_/id/13143628/nb…), and MANY others think Winslow is the better player...doesn't mean we think Johnson is terrible.
I'm sorry, but your assumption was completely inaccurate. And if we had a chance to take Jimmy Butler and we took DeMarre Carroll, that would be extremely silly and a poor (ala Dumars) type decision in my mind. Detroit needs an/another all-star...I think Winslow has that potential. I think Johnson also has very good potential.
And why does everyone who gets on anyone who complains about Pistons drafting ALWAYS go to Burke/KCP...is everyone just too young to remember Darko? Just curious. Not relevant to my statement, more relevant to some of the responses.
In the end though, you were wrong. I never said, nor implied that Stanley Johnson was a bad players or wasn't going to make it in the NBA or anything negative, I just said I think Winslow is better. End of discussion.
Detroit Pistons
Round 1: Stanley Johnson (8)
Round 2: Darrun Hilliard (38)
Grade: C
The Pistons had a major hole to fill at the small forward spot and were determined to draft for need over talent. They wanted a wing who could shoot, defend and, most importantly, play right now. I just believe they drafted the wrong guy. As I noted in my Winners and Losers column, I think the Pistons drafted a guy who looks the part over someone who is the part. Johnson has a NBA body and a great reputation as a winner. But in almost every way, Winslow is the superior player. He's a better athlete, has a better motor, plays with more grit and even shoots it better when he gets his feet set. Johnson is bigger and a better shooter off the bounce. But I think in a few years this draft will look a bit like the Rockets selecting Marcus Morris ahead of Kawhi Leonard. As for Hilliard, he's a crafty scorer and a good shooter, but he's not a great athlete. He, too, was a bit of a reach at No. 38 with players like Joseph Young and Olivier Hanlan on the board.
Miami Heat
Round 1: Justise Winslow (10)
Round 2: Josh Richardson (40)
Grade: A+
Winslow landing at No. 10 reminds me a lot of when Kawhi Leonard fell to the Spurs at No. 15 in 2011. Some things are meant to be for both player and team. Winslow is a perfect fit, as a player and a person, into the culture Pat Riley has built in Miami. He'll not only thrive there as a player, he'll have a chance to win now surrounded by Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Goran Dragic. While Winslow isn't the type of player that carries a team offensively, he's the glue guy who makes everyone better, does all the little things, and plays with toughness. He has a high basketball IQ and is relentless at working on his game and getting better. I think he could be a Leonard-type player someday. Richardson is a versatile, athletic guard who can play the 1 and the 2. He was another draft sleeper for me. The Heat just seriously upgraded their wings.
I'm not butt hurt about anything. If anyone is, it's you acting up because someone questioned your opinion. Just calling out your insinuation that the Pistons made some sort of colossal mistake. Go back and read your initial comment and see how that is supposed to be read any differently. This is not passing on Jordan for Bowie or anything close to that.
Winslow is far from a shoo-in as an all star so let's not act like we passed on one. I only drew attention to the KCP/Burke situation because we're on a Michigan board and it was a shit show here when Dumars passed on Burke. But we can go back and look at Dumars fairly solid draft record. Some definite busts - Darko, White, Cleaves. Some very good picks too - Monroe, Drummond, Okur, Prince, Maxiell etc etc.
Sorry I'm not going to take Chad Ford's word seriously. You know, the guy that alters his rankigs years afterward? And he also failed to consider that Winslow completely bombed his interviews with several teams. Winslow made it clear he didn't want to be in Detroit so why would we draft him?
Stanley Johnson and Winslow compare almost equally. What Winslow lacks in some areas, Johnson has and vise versa. They'll both end up being solid starters on decent teams IMO. I don't see either coming very close to making an all star game outside of the Rookie-Sophomore game or whatever it is.
Freedom for Timmy!
That NY-to-Atlanta trade is quite a deal for Tim Hardaway Jr. Goes from worst (17-65) to first (60-22) in Eastern Conf. A 43-game upgrade.
— Brendan F. Quinn (@BFQuinn) June 26, 2015
Good trade for Hardaway. Grant seems like a good player, but at 19 you would be happy if he turned into Tim. Hopefully Atlanta will get some use out of Hardaway, who I think can be a good second unit scorer.
I may be a homer, but I think THJ can be a very good 3&D guard in the right context. ATL seems like that. It's an unselfish, team-oriented, pass-friendly, offense and he can slot right into some of the sets they run for Korver when he comes out. As Korver ages, there's an opportunity there on the perimeter with ATL a very good team otherwise.
Knicks seem to be declared the winners here, but I think people are sleeping a bit on THJ"s game. He'll get better defensively and clearly he can shoot and score at an NBA level.
Hardaway was one of the worst defenders in NBA last year and has been one of the worst defenders in the league since he was drafted. Calling him a 3 and D player is an absurd stretch based on his production thus far. Yes, the Knicks are horrid, but he was part of the problem, not part of the solution. As bad as the Knicks were they had plus defenders. THJ was not one of them.
He had far and away the worst DBPM in the NBA (literally 267 out of 267).
He was 3rd worst in the league in defensive win shares.
He was tied for dead last in the NBA in defensive rating.
He has been nothing short of awful defensively thus far in his NBA career. Just ask Knicks fans who watch him every game about his play. He has largely been defined as a black hole offensively who doesn't play any defense.