OT: Report: Tigers will be 'sellers' at trade deadline
According to multiple reports, Dave Dombrowski, with owner Mike Illitch's approval, will move to trade David Price, Yoenis Cespedes and possibly Rajai Davis and Alex Avila.
USA Today article (HERE)
The Tigers, barring a veto from owner Mike Ilitch, are going to surrender and be sellers within the next 10 days at the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. For the first time since 2008, the Tigers have no choice but to inform teams that two of their marquee commodities will be dealt by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. The Tigers, according to several people inside and outside the organization familiar with their strategy, plan to put ace David Price and power-hitting outfielder Yoenis Cespedes on the trade market.
Detroit News article (HERE)
The Tigers are in a unique position in that they have six free-agents-to-be — including two elite ones in ace David Price and slugger Yoenis Cespedes. Closer Joakim Soria is a shade below. They also have three pieces that could help the right contender in Rajai Davis, Alex Avila and Alfredo Simon. The market this year is as rich with buyers as ever, and the Tigers are the seller with the most appealing inventory.
It's about time. Window is closed and they should get what they can for the future.
I hope Dombrowski gets aggressive.
I wonder how much control he'll actually have over the trades. Meaning I've heard the Ilitch family is none too please with Dombrowski's management of the roster over the last few years. He could very well be gone by the end of the year also. Hopefully if he goes, so does Ausmus.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. What we got in return for Fister was absolute garbage so far.
Steve Lombardozzi: traded to Baltimore for Alex Gonzalez (who was released about a month after the trade.
Ian Krol: still with the team, but is a part of a horrible middle relief staff, his ERA in 14.2 innings this year is 6.14.
Robbie Ray: arguably worse than Krol while in Detroit. He was 1-4 with an 8.16 ERA, also 7-6 for AAA-Toledo with a 4.22 ERA. He was a part of a 3-team trade that brought us Shane Greene. Greene is 4-7 with a 6.35 ERA that is actually trending worse (he hasn't given up less than 4 runs in a game since May 20th).
I don't think he has as much leeway making roster decisions at the coming trade deadline as you might think.
Except that our farm system is extremely weak right now because he's traded away most of our prospects with really not much to show for it. Some playoff appearances, but the team still lacks that elusive World Series title that Ilitch has been after. Detroit could be bad for a very long time if they're not careful.
Grabbing Simon for Suarez and Jonathon Crawford was a fuck-up as well.
Right and I'm referencing the trade that got him out of Detroit for nothing.
Are you his agent? If you can't tell that the Tigers are headed in the wrong direction right now, I don't know what to tell you. You can keep thinking I'm talking about 1 trade all you want, but it's a much larger issue than that.
It's gonna be a rough 5 years or so. I can't see this team being good at all in the near term.
The Red Sox sold off roughly $250 million in player contracts in 2012 and won the World Series one year later.
This could be a slight re-tool if DD brings in some quality young players.
Yeah that's not happening... Red Sox just got really lucky...
Your Tigers are gonna look more like my Phillies for the next 5 years. Welcome!
tigers have way more young talent than the phillies had and the best overall hitter and best DH in the game. plus, arguable the best SS. a lot of $$ are dropping off the roster this year, especially with RPs.
tigers can sign a #1 P, closer and lefty bat and be in contention again next year.
all this said, if the tigers win 4 out of the next five, i could see thme buying a #2 or #3 starter and going for it this year. any trades will wait until the last minute.
but I tend to doubt it. Look at the young talent on the club right now. They can hit the ball, but have left a lead-leading (IIRC) LOB.
Need pitching...
Good. Not sure how anyone can see this team and think we can make it. We are ~4 games back, but their are a few teams we have to be better than to make it...unlikely. Get some young and cheap talent that can contribute next year.
They are way off the pace so this makes sense. Might as well deal some players, rebuild for the future and hope these moves spark new life into the team this season.
Trade high on Miggy before he starts breaking down.
Should have traded JV a while ago.
Have to get some young, but tested starting pitching. I say fleece the Mets or Cubs.
but yeah, that JV contract was a big mistake.
He was the Cy Young runner up the year before he signed, and the CY Young winner and MVP the year before.
Dombrowski would have been burned at stake if he didn't pay Verlander. It's not their fault he fell off after signing the contract.
in hindsight... You are correct.
Most contracts don't get signed for future value, they get signed for past results. Name one of these "good GMs" who undercut one of the best pitchers in baseball and paid him less than market value because he might decline in a couple of years? The only reason top pitchers leave teams is because they price themselves out of their home market. Verlander doesn't have that problem in Detroit.
The only mistake in the contract was that Dombrowski didn't have to do it when he did, he could have waited a year to get the extension done. He got burned by getting it done so early, but a the time it was a "going-rate" deal for a top pitcher.
If Scherzer gets hurt over the next two years and falls off, do the Nationals get roasted for signing him to that deal?
"Billy Beane is a good example..."
When was the last Oakland A's World Series win?
...there is no way trading Cabrera doesn't have a huge negative impact on the fan base. I think he should retire a Tiger, and with no salary cap in baseball, I don't have any problem keeping him, especially since he's still producing.
I'm a little more lukewarm on JV - I don't think we can get anything for him, and I'd rather keep him than sell too low.
Get rid of Price, Avila, Soria, Simon. Davis is expendable. Would love to keep Cespedes and re-sign him, but would need to have that guarantee (unlikely). I think, with no 2B to speak of in the minors, we need to keep Kinsler. Would love to get some starting pitching and some organizational depth, especially at some key positions so that we don't rely on Hernan Perez for years to come.
Get rid of Price!?
0___o
Yes. Dude isn't going to sign here in the offseason. We can either keep him for a weak stretch run and get a compensatory pick ( a player who MAY help use 5 years from now) or trade him for two or three prospects/cheap major league talent.
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This. SIgn him,
And people never say one thing and mean or do another
But it has been widely known that their is no discussion between the two sides...he is going to test free agency. You can still trade a player and sign him in Free Agency
It's looking like the Tigers are going to get the short end of the stick on the Devon Travis for Anthony Gose deal.
If the Tigers don't field at least a reasonably competitive team around Miggy, you can forget about him retiring here. He would ask for a trade at some point.
Their farm system is stacked with bats, but has very little in pitching. Theo is famous for refusing to use top draft picks on pitching because he thinks they are unreliable and injury prone. The Cubs have essentially three good starting pitchers and that's it. For that reason DD might be able to bring back some impressive offensive talent for Price or Simon if they strike a deal with the Cubs. They are especially stocked with highly-regarded middle IFers.
The Mets are certainly desparate for offense, so the Tigers might be able to get one of their impressive young SPers back for Cespedes. The problem is that the Mets are already pot committed with Granderson and Cuddyer in the corner OF spots, so I'm not sure the Mets would go for it (especially since they fall further and further out of contention each day).
Arrieta is pretty good IMHO.
Arrieta is VERY good. They're not going to trade him. He's arguably their best pitcher (he's Lester, but 2 years younger).
And the Cubs are absolutely not going to trade him. He's the ace of their staff (sorry Letster). Beyond Arrieta, Lester, and Hammel, the Cubs don't have anything. They have been extremely fortunate that all three have been healthy thus far. If the Cubs make a trade, it will likely be for an established SP, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a front-line guy. Simon could make some sense there if the Cubs balk at the demands for Price.
The more I think of it, though, Cespedes would fit well there. They have a hole in LF to fill. Coughlan shouldn't be the every-day player on a playoff team. I still don't think the Cubs give up any of their better prospects for anything but starting pitching.
he is no better than hendricks, hammel or even wada. if the cubs trade for a SP, it will be a top end guy to make a deep playoff run.
The Cubs need to make it to the playoffs first, and they'll need pitching depth to get there. Simon may not be the answer, but they need rotation help whether it's at the front end or back end.
Coghlan's OPS has been similar to Cespedes' (slightly better than YC's last year, slightly worse this year) for over a season now.
The Cubs need a Ben Zobrist-type, which the Tigers can't offer. But they could also use another starter. I think Scott Kazmir is the best fit for them there, but Simon could be an option if they miss out on Kazmir. They will definitely be contenders for Price this winter which makes me doubt they'll be willing to also pay the price that he will cost in prospects for half a season. They have the farm system to do it, though.
I just looked at their numbers. I still think Cespedes will be the better player over the next several seasons, but their numbers are similar enough that it wouldn't make sense for the Cubs to give up talent to get Cespedes.