I think it's a good pick. Thank god they didn't select BJ Mullens like some people were projecting.
That was my fear too. I would have liked them take a point guard though considering how deep this class was, or appears.
bad pick, I wanted Ty Lawson or Mullen. I dont want another Forward that fills a position we dont need. A point guard would be great, or a 7'0 center is always nice.
Does this mean Prince will be traded?
Daye is a John Navarre clone.
nicely done
I think Tate outweighs this guy.
Ya but TATE IS FASTER THAN DENARD!!!!!!!!!!!
You never miss the chance to make that statement do you?
This kid is nowhere near NBA ready, but not a whole lot out there. Seems to be a weak draft, not many impact players.
It's hard to find NBA ready players in a cluster of college freshman and 18 year old Europeans.
yepper, I am not faulting Joe for limited options in this apparently weak draft
To me, he is a replica of Tay. He has the length and size exactly of Tay. I think (and hope) they don't trade Tayshaun because Daye isn't ready. However, Tay can really help in developing him. I am just happy it wasn't Mullens and Hansbrough didn't drop. I think we would have taken Hansbrough if available because of his work ethic.
Tay has outlived his usefulness but the rest of the NBA hasn't understood that yet. Infinitely more valuable to other teams than to the 'stons.
take him out to the glue factory
come on. I know Stuckey is a Piston favorite, but you can't find room for a young guy like Ty Lawson or Jrue Holiday? I saw some Gonzaga games and he must be like the third best player on a team that plays in a weak conference.
I hope the pistons are going to go with Bynum, he showed promise at the end of the year. Ty Lawson and Bynum are very similar imo.
And that's why this team is going down the toilet. Dumars overvalues his own players like a bad fantasy sports owner.
Dumars overvalues his own players like a bad fantasy sports owner.
Then how do you explain the Billups trade? Or him refusing to match the Bulls' offer for Ben Wallace? Or him shopping Prince this summer?
He didn't hold onto Rodney White, a #9 pick. Most GM's are too stubborn to admit they're wrong about a top 10 pick. He didn't hang onto Darko for too long. He gave Amir a $4 mil contract but quickly sold him away. Mateen Cleaves wasn't around long. Nazr wasn't here long. There are a long list of guys who Joe D brought in, were mistakes, and were gone fairly quickly.
All true, and you rebutted the point nicely. But the flip side of your argument is that I think this same list shows that Joe D. is overrated as a GM. Not knocking him, and I'm glad that he's with the Pistons, but there are many who sing his praises, and IMO this list plus the Chauncey trade is evidence that he's above average at best. Now, the Chauncey trade may end up bringing a great FA here, but until then the juries out.
That is about the fourth time today I have heard someone say, "not knocking hi, but..." and then proceed to knock him. I rank it right up there with, "no offense, but..."
But I really don't mean to knock him in this instance, just to say his reputation IMO is inflated. A great trade (Rasheed) and a couple of great draft picks (Prince, Stuckey) to his credit but mixed with several draft failures this year's trade, and what only can be described as mistaken coaching changes as well.
I think Stuckey would be better as a 2 than a 1, but Dumars and the Pistons obviously think hes the PG of the future. And the WCC is better than your giving credit for.
6'10" 190? Who exactly is he gonna guard? He didn't rebound...at gonzaga...what makes anyone think he can do that in the nba? I can't believe he got picked at 15. If he is a good nba player I will be shocked. Dumars needs to never be in charge of a draft again. You'd think joes infatuation with skilled bigs would have ended with darko. At least darko wasn't so thin he could hide behind kate moss.
No doubt Pistons need a big. Right now signed they have Tay and Maxiell. Kwame may opt out (which would be stupid for him). Sheed and mcdyess aren't signed. and THere are question marks in FA. we have plenty guards on roster
Where do you get the idea that he can't rebound? He averaged 6.8 rebounds per game while playing 26.3 minutes. That's not bad at all. (DeShawn Sims averaged the exact same, but needed an extra four and a half minutes per game to do it.) And that's with him weighing 190. He's going to bulk up.
I think this may work out. Give him a chance. Anyway, he's a 3, not a post.
Sims did it in the big ten,not the wcc.
Actually, Sims's average is inflated by the 20-rebound game he had against NC Central (one of the worst teams in the entire country). In Big Ten play he was under six boards a game.
I think his point still holds; it's the big ten, not the wcc.
I think it is safe to assume Daye will not be a good rebounder on the NBA level. I liked the guy the blazers just took, he looks real fluid, and they can leave him in Europe for a few years.
And I didn't say I like sims as a pro either. Daye was a mediocre rebounder against very poor competition. I'd rather he trade the pick for cash than have to pay this bum. Another joey d project, an illustrious list including such luminaries as darko, cheik sahm, amir johnson, and soon to be walter sharp.
Daye was a mediocre rebounder against very poor competition.
On a per-minute basis, his rebound numbers were fine. The bigger question is why he only played 26 minutes a game.
I will be shocked if Daye is a competent NBA rebounder ever and certainly not for 3-4 seasons for sure, his college numbers nonwithstanding.
is he fouls a lot. He average about 4.2 fouls per game which is too much. He's always in foul trouble which is why his minutes are limited.
I liked this guy a lot more than most people here. He's long, skilled and an outstanding shot blocker.
3/4 you mentioned were 2nd round picks and in the NBA 2nd rounders rarely contribute, also this draft seems very weak to me
Pointing out his affection for projects. Its not like most of his picks make any kind of contribution...
Again 2nd round NBA picks are longshots. Remember Joe got Okur and Delfino in the 2nd round that is pretty impressive. Prince, Stuckey and Maxiell, off the top of my head, were very good first round picks based.
He has made 4 picks that contributed to the pistons, one of which was barely all star caliber, and the others are all, at this point, bench players. Good job joe
yep that is all the pistons have done in 10 years or so, you got me there
Yes, joe d is a poor drafter. He found good players in trades that where undervalued, but what exactly does that have to do with the draft? We will see now if he is a good gm with what he does in the offseason, and ill give him a year or 2 before I say he was just lucky, but noone can argue that he has done a good job with the draft.
Can't agree with you. When you win 50 plus games every year, you get low first round picks. Darko off course was a huge bust, but joe did find some gems in the draft while putting a championship caliber team on the floor year after year.
Is he responsible for one of the biggest busts ever, he has gotten almost noone else. I'm not asking for all stars, but one player in over ten years has started on an above 500 pistons team! You need to get more out of the draft than that.
You need to get more out of the draft than that.
Given that the Pistons went to the Eastern Conference Finals six times, the NBA Finals twice, and won a championship once over that span, maybe you don't. And anyway, given that the Pistons had the same starting lineup forever, how was any rookie supposed to crack it? Mehmet Okur was a starter before they acquired Rasheed, and Rodney Stuckey became a starter after they moved Billups. In between, there weren't any opportunities for rookies.
You wanna know why? BECAUSE JOE DRAFTED LIKE SHIT! Players get old, and of you draft well, you can handle that. But if almost none of your picks pan out, you can't replace those players. I'm not arguing that joe is a bad gm, but he is bad at one aspect of that, and that has hurt the team.
Or maybe the Pistons' crappy season had something to do with a major trade that shook up team chemistry, coupled with Wallace, Hamilton, McDyess, Iverson and Brown all missing long periods of time due to injuries?
When you win 50+ games for seven consecutive years, as the Pistons did, you end up with low draft picks. Most low draft picks generally don't pan out. You seem to be forgetting that point. Dumars did pretty well to find Prince, Okur, Maxiell and Stuckey where he did.
he has totally blown his early picks- Darko at 2 and White at 9 and Mateen at 14. So if you give him credit for his late finds you must also admit that he sucks when making early picks.
Then there's the matter of Michael Curry which is possibly the worst coaching hire in NBA history. It pains me to have to listen to him do interviews.
If by Brown missing time you are referring to Kwame how can that be a bad thing? He was an absolute terrible pick up and Dumars overpaid on top of it. 4 Mill for a BUM.
he has totally blown his early picks- Darko at 2 and White at 9 and Mateen at 14. So if you give him credit for his late finds you must also admit that he sucks when making early picks.
Cleaves and White were lousy picks, I agree. But Joe D made those when he was new to the job (2000 and 2001). Saying that he sucks now at drafting because he messed up almost a decade ago isn't necessarily fair. Anyway, he quickly saw that both of them wouldn't pan out and dealt them away.
I don't fault him for Darko. Every GM in the league wanted him. He was considered the best European prospect ever. All the scouts f'd up there. But again, Dumars realized the mistake and dealt him for the pick that became Stuckey (who btw, was also an early pick).
In no way am I arguing that Dumars has done a completely flawless job. But no GM has. You can find mistakes in every single GM's resume.
Most of them don't pan out, but you can find a guy late in the first round who can at least do SOMETHING. He hasn't, and that coupled with Darko, and White, and Cleaves, trading a first rounder to get Delfino, giving Amir a big contract, and basically getting absolutly 0 contribution out of over 3/4 of his draft picks, even coming off the bench! Then he goes out this year, drafts 4 SF when the only big men we have are Maxiel and Brown, one of whom is a giant project who probably ends up like Cheik Sahm, packaged on the end of some deal in a few years because he's too skinny to guard anyone, another 2 who also aren't ready, then he takes one that might be able to contribute in the next 3 years by adding scoring off the bench, and trades him for cash and a second rounder. This the year after he traded a first round pick, then high in the 2nd round took Walter "the sandman" Sharp, someone who has no track record to indicate any ability to succeed in the NBA.
Dumars sucks at drafting, and its gonna come back to bite him, because after Boozer misses half the pistons season next year, and Ben Gordon sets a record for most missed shots in a season, they are gonna have a high lottery pick, and Dumars is gonna pass up John Wall or some other one and done college player for a beanpole out of europe who is "projectable." He's always trying to be the smartest guy in the room when it comes to drafting, but he just ends up looking like an idiot.
Most of them don't pan out, but you can find a guy late in the first round who can at least do SOMETHING. He hasn't.
You're grasping at straws. You're almost never going to find guys good enough to start once you get into the late first round and beyond. Truth is, the NBA Draft really isn't that important anymore. You build championship teams mostly through trades and free agency. Dumars gets this.