OT: Paris Roubaix and the Spring Classics (cycling)
This Sunday morning is one of the great spectacles of sport: Paris-Roubaix, the cobblestone classic. It is a magnificent race, and any casual cycling fans (I know there are a few on the board) who mostly tune in to cycling only for the TdF would be well served to pay attention.
We've just come through the equally magnificent Tour of Flanders, won by Fabien Cancellara, and Cance is a narrow favorite this Sunday. Guys like Greg Van Avermaet and Sep Vanmarcke (guess where they are from) are also in great shape and could easily take a win. Van Avermaet's teammate, American Taylor Phinney, will probably be in a breakaway at some point to play the tactics that are part of what makes this race so exciting.
To get some fabulous background on the race, you can read this rundown by @inrng, who is the best cycling blogger in the business. His archives are stacked with great material on many races, both analytical and atmospheric. Cyclocosm specializes in race video recaps, which are some of the best highlight packages in any sport anywhere.
Here's his recap of last year's thriller.
Should be a great race.
April 10th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^
I am also a huge cycling fan. Flanders and Roubaix are my two favorite races of the year. They are generally won by normal size individuals instead of people who look like they have an eating disorder. Spartacus is a freak of nature, but I always root for Boonen. I would love to see them enter the velodrome together on Sunday.
That has happened before, and it didn't go well for Cancellara. Boonen's sprint has since regressed and Cancellara's has improved, but I still think a two-up sprint between them is a foregone conclusion, should it come to that. It would be great theater, though, of course.
I'm a Spartacus guy, but I would love to see GvA finally get a big win after finishing on the wrong end of so many of these races. He's in shape this year and he has the team around him to make the noise. Nobody is more deserving. I wouldn't mind it at all.
Looking forward to it Paris Roubaix too, not only the race, but it usually marks the beginning of my own personal cycling season. Seems to be around this time every year that the weather gets better and the trails dry out enough to ride (edit, although with all the snow this winter, we're a little behind ATM). I usually start bike commuting around this time too.
Our snow up here is finally beginning to thaw. I'm still spinning in my basement when I get the time. Still better than last year, when the Giro was half over before the snow stopped falling.
One of the things I like about bike racing is the extra oomph it gives me to get on my bike when the weather becomes passable.
I cycled outside all winter because I hate the trainer so much and I need to get to work. I suppose this is the one good thing about Kentucky
Phinney is my favorite rider along with Tejay VanGuarderen for the stage races. I serious hope these guys are clean.
Sunday should be very exciting, been following the tour for about a decade and only recently starting following the sport year round. For me the drama of the biggest one-day races is on par with the big mountaintop finishes in the tour, generally very high drama and tactics!
I'm a triathlete, love the feeling of a hard ride.
I hope they aren't either, but I don't live in the majikal dreamworld where a clean cyclist can win.
Cycling is a lot cleaner than it used to be, and it isn't unreasonable to believe that guys from teams like Garmin may be clean. And Garmin stormed Liege-Bastogne-Liege last season in terrific fashion.
That's not to say that cycling is now a sparkling beacon of cleanliness; just that it may be reverting to the level of dirtiness that is common in most sports.
Cycling certainly has the harshest penalties and is cleaner, but it will take quite a bit for me consider it a clean sport.
I don't think that doping in cycling gives the same kind of advantage as it does in other sports, because if everyone were doping they would all have the same benfits. If the doping they are doing does not cause permanate bodily damage (I don't know if it does), I'm not really against it in this case.
It is hard to see how in a sport with such wide spread doping anyone can win consistantly at a high level without doping though.
The reason cycling appears to be "cleaner" is that they now use a comprehensive doping control method called the "biological passport," which goes beyond testing for foreign substances and actually checks the levels of chemicals and blood components in the system that doping is designed to influence. EPO, for example, is intended to increase the volume of red blood cells, which directly affects the body's ability to transmit oxygen to cells. Increasing this level will obviously cause a considerable boost in performance; with the bio passport a huge boost in this level will be immediately detected and Bad Things are supposed to happen.
This is not to suggest that the bio passport has no issues or that the management of it is free of controversy, because there certainly are issues of that nature. And this is not to say that doping still doesn't happen--it is just more detectable, and what does occur happens in a much narrower range that allows clean riders to ride and compete. Also, there are teams (like Garmin, whose owner makes anti-doping a priority and made clean racing a founding principle of the team) that have extra testing programs that build additional safeguards.
This is a sharp contrast from the 90s, when clean riders in excellent shape could not even keep up with the back of the field when everyone was doping--many didn't dope to win, they doped just to finish with the pack.
To answer a couple of other issues, doping must be illegal (or at least highly controlled) because it affects different riders differently, and because it can indeed harm the users. A number of riders died in the 90s because their EPO usage caused such high hemoglobin levels that they suffered cardiac failure.
"...because if everyone were doping they would all have the same benefits." Simply not true, physiologically. Besides the fact that there is substantial evidence that different bodies react differently to the same doping stimulus, these athletes are obviously not participating in a controlled experiment where their doping inputs are exactly the same (as well as other variables such as diet, exercise, etc.).
It is precisely because people react to doping very differently, that we can never say, for example, whether someone like Lance would have won any TdF's with a completely clean field. We'll just never know.
I also disagree with your statement that cycling doesn't gain as much advantage from doping as other sports; other than weightlifting, I cannot think of a major sport where doping provides as much direct advantage as cycling! Among the top athletes, cycling is purely a matter of extended physical endurance and muscle recovery, two things directly and immediately improved by current doping methods. This is why some have said that cycling's major events place way too much emphasis on pure endurance, it actually encourages doping.
While I believe at some level cycling is "cleaner", in that some of the most obvious tactics are tougher to get away with, I also believe that the science of doping will always be at least one step ahead of the science of doping detection, almost by definition. That is one reason why, in my late middle age, I focus more on my own cycling with my club and my friends, and now my sons, and don't pay much attention anymore to the grand tours.
I disagree with most of this premise. The whole "everyone is doping so it creates an even playing field" is the argument that frustrates me the most when it comes to doping.
First off, its not true in cycling now nor was it true in cycling 10-15 years ago. Sure, its likely that the top 20 finishers in the TDF were all doping, but I do think that many many professionals were not doping. Based on "Reasoned Decision", and Tyler Hamilton's book, its clear that the sophisticated programs were reserved for the team leaders. On top of that, there are many stories of professionals who quit the sport because they were not willing to dope. These people are victums of doping.
Secondly, its not an even playing field as introducing doping results in different people winning than might have won clean. Different riders benefit differently from doping. It is well documented that LA had a relatively low natural hemocrit level vs. other riders. Thus when he could dope up to the 50% threshold to avoid a negative test, he had more to gain that others. So even if its an even playing field, its a DIFFERENT playing field. You are rewarding people who respond more to drugs.
Lastly, I will say that I think cycling is more clean than it was, and much much cleaner than the NBA/NFL/MLB. Strigent testing gives a sport more positive tests and a bad reputation but does help clean things up. Unfortunately, I'm highly skeptical of Chris Horner winning the Vuelta last year and think he is an ex-doper and likely current doper.
I don't think the end of second point is a good argument. No matter how many chemical (I'm talking about everything under the sun here, food, water, EPO) we pump into athletes, we are ultimately rewards those who respond to training the best under the conditions provided. LA and the others were certainly cheating and had an advantage because of the rules of the sport, but a being a doper does not make someone the best (see Jan Ulrich, ok there was that one year but LA wasn't in that one)
If every athlete were clean and all only able to consume the same number of calories, vitamins, minerals, electrolytes, etc. each day. The one who was most efficient at using that allotment would win.
To be clear, I am in favor of use of chemicals (for lack of a better term) to improve performace so long as it does not cause harm to the rider. An example of this would be caffiene. If something were to be developed which allowed physical gains without negative long term effects I don't see any harm there.
Additionally, I mean that in cycling everyone is doping for the same goal (more endurance) rather than everyone doping makes everyone equal. In other team sports where each position requires a different skillset each player would not be doping with the same goal in mind.
I hope this provided some clarity rather than muddling thing more.
but basically know nothing about the Roubaix style races nor any of the names. But I will have to check it out. As a triathlete, I'm interested in the level that maybe I can pick up something that will help me in my fitness.
come on, it looks nice and comfy!
We have a local to Michigan guy racing in it. Brad White from Holland. He owns a bike shop and races professionally around the United States. I've raced in a couple Cyclocross events in Grand Rapids area against him. He laps the field in those events normally with ease.
I've been in a couple of those races where he lapped us all. It may be the most demoralizing feeling in the world when you see how fast he is riding compared to everyone else.
A cycling thread!
I'm really looking forward to Roubaix this year. Unfortunately I won't be able to watch it live since we have a crit at Notre Dame on Sunday, but I can't wait to watch a recap and/or follow the live text feed.
I'll be pulling for Phinney HARD as I always do with the Americans, but I just don't think he's the winner of a monument quite yet. As far as favorites go, I like Fabian. I'd love to see Spartacus and Boonen (or any of the OPQS guys) duke it out. I just love how the classics bring out the badasses of the peloton.
The CAAD 10 is a hell of a bike. An aluminum rocket ship. I'd love to have one all dolled up with Sram Force for a crit bike.
April 11th, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^
generally Ultegra gruppo. Never really had a chance to try SRAM but I am intrigued. 2012 Trek Madone 5.2 here, btw.