OT: NBA Playoffs Heat vs. Pacers and Clippers vs Spurs 05-17-12
Would love to see Pacers go up 2-1 on Heat. Heat have serious match-up issue with Hibbert and Paul George is an exciting young player for the Pacers. Indiana taking it to the Heat at the moment.
Next: Hope to see Clippers and my boy Blake Griffin even up series with Spurs.
I see the point guards in this game; Norris Cole, Darren Collison, Mario Chalmers, George Hill and see no reason why Trey Burke can't have a successful career in the NBA
Go Pacers, and Go Spurs! Take that big market franchises.
P.S. does Hubie Brown ever shutup? He has a 20 second ramble after every play.
He definitely will make some noise in the NBA, but (and lucky for us) he needs the college experience to prove that to NBA GMs who have fallen in love with 6'8" athletes who have great "length" and "upside" yet no actual basketball skill
EDIT: Sorry, This was supposed to be in reply to the PG comment above
It's easy to pull for the Pacers but everytime they show Juwan I get mixed emotions.
I love watching Hubie Brown do any game, he points out the simple intricacies of the game with style, and at least 1 or 2 times a game will drop some knowledge that will have you re-evaluate the whole Game (in a good way)
terrible. He's insanely athletic but he can't do anything but dunk and rebound.
Doesn't offend me. Scoring down low and rebounding are kinda important in basketball
If no one was ever in front of Griffin and the rim, then yeah, Griffin would be a great player. As it is, Griffin can't score with his back to the rim and he can't score from more than 5 feet out.
It's his second year playing in the league and he's one of three guys averaging a 20-10. He's got plenty of time to improve.
It doesn't matter what he could be doing, it's what he's actually doing that counts. I agree, Blake Griffin is oozing potential and if he can add some length and versatility to his game, he could be something special. But the ifs are some big ones.
It is what he's doing that counts. And what he's doing is averaging 20 and 10, which puts him on a level of the best power forwards, at least statistically, in the game.
Subjectively, I'd put him clearly behind...
Kevin Love
Duncan (who really plays more as a center, but always gets listed as a pf, and clearly can still bring it when he needs to)
Gasol, and
Dirk
But there, you're talking about perhaps the two best power forwards ever, two of the best post players in the NBA, and a guy who went 26-13 this year.
Griffin's at the head of the next tier. It's not easy to average 20 and 10, or a lot more players would do it.
And you're certainly right about his potential. He's more mobile and athletic than any of those guys above. He has the potential to have a career trajectory like Karl Malone, who was mainly, in his first two years, an athletic guy who got most of his points as a finisher and then, between his 2nd and 3rd year, developed a reliable jump shot and became, with the help of a great point guard, one of the best 2 power forwards in the league (he and Barkely). That's certainly not guaranteed to happen, but it is possible if he puts in the work on his 18 foot jumper this summer. His great advantage is that he'll be playing for the foreseeable future with the best point in the NBA, so he'll get lots of open looks.
He's looked pretty bad this series, as have the Clippers, but he's probably about 60% healthy with his knee.
For me it gets a little tiring and little simplistic when a player gets criticized and marginalized for what he can't do. What is more important than pointing out inevitable flaws in someone's game is understanding what makes them valuable, what they CAN do. I think this distinction is a primary difference between coaches and fans. A coaches job is to put players in position to succeed and take advantages of strengths. An adversarial fans main motivation is to point out flaws in a players game and overlook his strengths.
scoring and rebounding are so overrated.
He's actually improved his handle quite a lot. I'm always surprised how much the Clippers give him the ball in transition in the backcourt.
His post stuff is ugly, but he is developing a nice up and under. Post moves are largely a lost art in the NBA, though.
Like many people I am not very fond of the Heat as a whole, but part of me wants to see Juwan Howard get a ring.
To be fair, this might be his worst game as a professional. But it's been a lazy bad game too.
Calling Wade selfish is absolutely ridiculous. Do you understand how much he's given up these last two years? He's the best shot-blocking guard of all time, an excellent free safety/center fielder off the ball on defense, and is unbelievable finishing at rim at 6'4'' amongst guys 6'10'' and taller.
Bottom line is he had an awful game and lost his head in frustration. You don't have to like every player, whether its for rational or irrational reasons. But don't disrespect him like that when he hits rock bottom.
I don't dislike Wade as much as you seemingly do but I did enjoy this
You obviously never really watched Dwyane play more than a handful of games on national tv. I guess guys like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are overrated too because they're so athletic. Who do you think is so superior to him? What is a "natural bball player"? I guess if Dwyane were slower and just took jump shots he'd be more "natural" to you.
You can complain about flops and refs all you want (believe me, I wasn't pleased with them tonight), but Wade is a fearless guard whose inside game at his height is unprecedented. I suppose you prefer watching inefficient jump shooting scorers or big guys whose main asset is just their size over watching the little guy take it into the paint. I can't think of any star who has been more pleasant to watch grow. It's unfortunate how much LeBron and the last two years have messed with people's perception of Dwyane.
You must've missed the 2006 NBA playoffs.
I am pretty sure George Hill was coached by Dane Fife while at IUPUI
Listen and you can hear the NBA headquarters quaking with fear over a potential Spurs-Pacers finals.
If it gets close to that, I expect to see officiating crews of Bennett Salvatore, Dick Bavetta, and a surprisingly reinstated Tim Donoughy working every game.
Cavs season ticket holder hear. Cannot stop laughing.........
God I love it when the Miami Heat loses. Especially when it's against a team that plays like an actual team.
With Bosh's injury Pacers have a decent shot winning this series. Whoever wins Sunday probably wins the series
It's really pretty amazing how bad the Heat's roster is once you get past the big three, and Chalmers, I guess. A bunch of guys who were decent role players three years past their prime, mediocre young guys who never play and Eddie Curry.
I'm sorry but every fiber of my being roots for these a-holes to get beat. If they want to play together like the new Superfriends club so be it. But to have the audacity to hold a victory party BEFORE they had an actual victory....especially after that flaming douche bag from hell LeBron's "decision" on ESPN absolutely grinds every bit of my Mgrowold body.
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Two words. FUCK THEM.
This event was for the fans of his new team. If New York landed LeBron they would have had a similar event. Shaq's arrival had pretty the same thing in Miami. You can irrationally hate him for the Decision thing, but that's what it is.
Oh really? Please point me in the direction of the other celebrations held for the benefit of the fans of players moving to new teams. I'm pretty sure you'll have a challenge finding ANYTHING resembling the hubris of the Heat post free agent signing.
Being a jilted a Cavs fan I may hold more anomosity than the average fan but the reality is EVERYBODY hates those assholes. LeBron's Q rating went from a positive 83 to a negative 73 overnight and there aren't enough Cleveland fans to move the needle that far. PTI did a segment tonight on which would be more interesting for the NBA - the Heat winning it all or the Heat losing it all. Consensus was losing.
Who exactly DO you like then? How the Heat are all assholes because of the Decision?
Well this is the first of your comments that didn't quickly piss me off. The perception of him as soft in the clutch and lacking a killer mentality is impossible to argue against at this point, even for a Heat fan. I have no arguments here.
Why you getting so mad bro?
I get frustrated with the way he plays, particularly that he's only just started to develop a post game. He's virtually unstoppable in the open court, but too much of his half court game (which is where close games get decided in the playoffs) consists of him standing around on the perimeter and settling for long jumpers.
I've long thought that there's no one that could guard him if he played more in the post. If you put a big on him, he can face him up, a smaller guy, he can back him down.
He wasn't always the standing on the perimeter jump shooter, use game 5 of the 07 conference finals as your reference. He took Tayshaun to the rim the whole 2nd half.
That game, in particular, is what makes his late game reticence the past three years so strange. He had a total killer instinct and will to win late in the game that just evaporated in his last year in Cleveland. It's really bizarre.