OT: Marshawn Lynch tells off mother for raising a soft boy
At one point, we're told 33-year-old Lynch tossed some of the kids out of a contact drill ... saying, "Get the f*ck out." It's unclear why Lynch booted the kids from the drill.Some of the kids began to cry -- prompting at least one parent to intervene.
Marshawn repeatedly asked the women, "Is there a man here with you?"
During the intense interaction, Lynch acknowledged using obscene language -- including the F-word and the N-word -- and explained why the words are necessary to get the most out of the kids.
Lynch explains, "There's no disrespect ... I understand I'm not gonna be able to please everybody."
The mother's version of events:
He's probably right
Being right used to matter more. Not as much anymore.
Indeed
And let's be honest...he's probably still really pissed at Pete Carroll for not running it from the 1.
Can we just blame Pete Carroll?
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
Oddly, there are a surprising number of things in football - both professional and collegiate - which can be traced back somehow to Pete Carroll deciding to get cute at precisely the wrong moment.
Seriously. These kids today are fucking pussies. My 3 year old can’t even bench her weight
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^
Time for some processing
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^
She could if she had a man in her life.
And, because it's 2019: /s
Haha.. I blame you. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
1) It's football, not math club. Guys like Lynch that pulled themselves up from nothing into exceptional athletic careers did so through both physical and mental strength. Let the kids cry until they realize they need to toughen up or find another sport.
2) Lynch dropping the N-bomb at kids is not the same as a racist dropping it in insulting ways. The use of this word has been debated over the years ad-nauseum. I'm white and try never to use the word. I play basketball 3 times a week with people of all races and that word flies around left and right on the court. I've been called it for playing well, playing shitty, arguing fouls, hitting a game winner, etc. Nobody I've ever played with has ever taken offense to the word being thrown around on the court. Context matters. When somebody taps me on the head and says nice shot my "n*****", nobody thinks twice. IMO, Lynch was using the N-word as if to say, get out of my drill kids.
Maybe times need to change and nobody should be using the word...but I'm not the PC police and I sure as hell won't tell black people when and how they can use the word. And if you can't handle curse words like "fuck", as parents or kids, you don't belong on a football field, or really in most any other team sport.
3) If you don't think kids are getting too soft, this is a good example that they are and why. You have Marshawn Lynch coaching you. The fact he cares enough to yell at the kids is a good thing. He wants them to excel, to toughen up, to do the drills right. If the parents are uncomfortable with it, I'm sure there are other camps and events for their kids. I'd tell my own kids to toughen the fuck up...this is Marshawn Lynch taking his time to tell you what he expects of you in the drill. Listen, learn, and try to do it right the next time.
In this situation, context does not matter. They’re kids and Lynch is the adult. He’s supposed to be modeling good behavior and good habits for the kids. He can’t be out there cursing, and he especially should not be using the N word. I understand that the word is used as a means of brotherhood in some settings, but there is no situation where it would be necessary to be used with kids.
There isn't enough 'context' to tell whether Lynch was actually coaching, or just told the kids what to do one time. I suspect, just given the language and attitude he displayed, that he didn't actually bother to 'coach' anyone - explain to them what they're doing vs what they're supposed to do. Kids don't cry if you explain what's going on, they cry when you just crap on them and they don't understand why. Has nothing to do with being 'soft'. It's about relating to kids, who aren't intellectually, or mentally, developed enough to understand the nuances of disparate language and demeanor used by adults they've never known. Especially at the age of the kids Lynch was demeaning.
Lynch seems better off not talking to anyone. Especially kids...
And while context may matter for a grown ass adult, if the word isn't supposed to be used - THEN DON'T FUCKING USE IT! You can't have it both ways, it's either acceptable or it isn't...
I can respect the opinion that he shouldn't be using such language around such young kids. I don't think it is fair to jump to the conclusion...
"that he didn't actually bother to 'coach' anyone"
Fair point... It could be that after several iterations of teaching, they still weren't getting it. At which point, he needs to try some other method of teaching. Or, the kids could have been acting out and blowing him off (I wouldn't rule that out!). Nonetheless, dropping F-bombs on kids is never a good idea...
“I don’t think it’s fair to jump to the conclusion....” Why? You ramble on about how kids today are soft as if you have proof that I kids are any different from your apparently superior generation of children. Again, just because more is apparent because of the internet it doesn’t mean kids are softer. And crying doesn’t make a kid soft. Weak ass grown men who want to instill toughness in little boys by intimidation and screaming are exactly the reason men grow up to:
1) hide being raped by their football coach at Penn State
2) rape and beat and threaten women when they don’t get what they’re told.
We wonder why we have the Tyreek Hills of the world—because a bunch of weak old men have no ability to explain what they want a child or partner to do without getting pissed and just shouting at them like a drill sergeant.
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^
I’m on mobile so not sure where my reply will appear. But I can’t upvote BroadneckBlue enough times. Those who decry “soft” kids are clueless.
Certainly, kids need to learn to be resilient and overcome challenges, but fake, cliche and contrived “toughness” is not the way to get them there.
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:37 AM ^
I don't know of any generation of parents that taught their kid to hide being raped by an adult.
August 3rd, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
Maybe we need to pass around some more red pills here.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted by some, but this is why dads are needed. They push their kids to get after it, and I'm sure Marshawn is well familiar with that with his own father being largely absent from his life.
A tremendous over-generalization. Tyreek Hills don't develop from getting yelled at on the football field. Jesus and this has 25 likes.
I understand your point that they are kids..it said some were as young as 9; But at what point is it ok for them to be exposed to this language? If they plan on playing football in Jr. high and high school they will be hearing those words all practice, and the idea that they have not yet been exposed to that type of language is pretty naive.
I'm not saying this is the best example of youth coaching, but saying we should try for some nuance here, instead of crucifying the guy and making it a TMZ story most certainly to become a social media "outrage" debate.
I wasn't there, don't know the details, and it's quite possible he was too hard on the kids. That said, at least he is out there working with them and spending time with them. I don't think he is going to the camp because he feels the need to verbally abuse children.
This is a much more reasoned comment than your OP! I'll up vote this one... Crucifying anyone based on a TMZ story lacking the backstory details is usually not too smart - mostly because TMZ exists to make money by dishing dirt.
I watched both clips, and what annoyed me most was the framing as "Marshawn Lynch is a verbally abusive bad guy"...
but if you watch the second clip the mom says. "it shows my son people can be 'DICKS' "
LOL...I mean, come on, that's really pot-kettle. She herself is throwing around bad language to describe the man, and she's the kid's mother. I feel she really personalized it because it was her own kid, and TMZ ran with it to create a story.
Indeed, Lynch may not be the best candidate for youth coaching, but much of my initial response was due to how unfair the TMZ report came across.
Not true. Rarely did my high school coach use curse words. He may have raised his voice, make us run, etc., but this was not “all the time” language. And we won a State championship. Stop it with the “everyone does it” excuses and “that’s what shapes a man into a man.”
I grew up in such an environment where that kind of language just created resentment.
Stop romanticizing the need for curse language to build a man.
Beoadneck Blue and I both won things and got better at sports with coaches who didn’t curse. I’m sure others did as well.
Same for me. Our head coach would personally physically level players on our team, when he saw them bullying younger players, they would yell at us and punish us if they caught us swearing or not holding doors at school, they had us take a few etiquette classes, as well. Being tough, and being an uncivilized child, are two completely different things.
Soooo...foul language is bad, but adults can assault children? Lol at this thread
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:59 PM ^
Do you drink 2% milk?
Context does matter. Your second sentence IS context.
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^
The whole modeling thing goes back to why urban Meyer has a phenomenally high rate of former players who now have rap sheets. Dantonio and izzo are in that bucket as well, but to a smaller degree.
Did a diary here on that about a year ago for any buckeye lurkers who actually want to dispute that fact.
Can you link that diary post? I'm sure others besides me would like to read it
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^
You gotta try? Asking for a Black friend. . .
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^
All these people have to do is take their children to another coach. And to compare language that Marshawn is using to what was done at Penn State is unbelievable. There’s something called the first amendment. Marshawn has every right to use whatever language he wants when coaching children. Just as every parent has a right to leave when they don’t like the language he uses. The problem isn’t with children being “softer” the problem is that people want to be outraged over everything.
And let me make it perfectly clear I wouldn’t take my child to be coached by Marshawn because of the language he uses, but to act shocked by the fact that this happens? To be outraged? What world do you live in? Verbally abusing someone is not the same as physical abuse and to even say that is out of this world crazy.
Whats your solution to your outrage over this problem? Should Marshawn be jailed? Should he be ordered by a court never to coach kids again? I mean to compare what he did to criminals is beyond belief to me.
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
No more Skittles commercials. He deserves NO rainbow!
August 3rd, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^
Yes. As I said, I play recreational ball 3 times a week and I am constantly called the N word. I am very conscious to not use the word and instead say things like "sweet move bro" or "my man".
I'm not going to say I have never said things like "what up my N" to my friends when they have shown up to play. I acknowledge it is wrong and try to never do it now. When you hear it all the time and it's part the regular back and forth on the court, it's easy to fall into it. I've become much more aware of it, though, as I know it is a very offensive, loaded word.
Love excusing abusive behavior as "kids being soft". There is no excuse for acting that way toward children, especially children who undoubtedly look up to Marshawn as a role model.
You say "let the kids cry until they realize..." as if showing emotion is a weakness. We wonder why as a society we have such a problem with male violence-- creating a concept of masculinity where showing emotion is weakness is a problem.
https://www.apa.org/pi/about/newsletter/2018/09/harmful-masculinity
You also leave us some food for thought with the "guys like Lynch who pulled themselves up from nothing by being mentally and physically tough" comment. I wonder if we had a more equal and less brutal socioeconomic system, guys like Lynch wouldn't have to model and engage in toxic and damaging behavior not only to themselves, but others as well.
Lynch dropping the N-bomb at kids is not the same as a racist dropping it in insulting ways.
100% incorrect.
The N-bomb is racist and insulting NO MATTER WHO SAYS IT!
Trying to rationalize the N-bomb is fucking pathetic on your part.
“My boy would never do anything to get kicked out of a drill...” Never heard that one.
Tempest in a teapot.
I liked him better when he refused to talk to anyone.
That's what my wife says about me all the time!
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^
I'm a huge fan of Marshawn (& for that matter, Jim McMahon) for the way they dealt with the NFL. Not so much for the way he treated these kids & this woman.
Just taking a wild guess that Lynch is not pulling down a lot of money for this gig, & the fact that he cares enough to do it at all is not lost on me. Just being there makes him a hero to these boys. Make things right, act appropriate, apologize, & move forward.
Eh, to my understanding Marshawn does a lot of charity work. I’d be surprised if he’s profiting off of youth football camps, rather donating any proceeds right back to the community somehow.
Her face when she reveals that he said the work "fuck" like it's a war crime. The guy definitely crossed some lines but do we seriously expect contact sport coaches not to swear anymore?
Well, apparently it is to some. According to BroadneckBlue21, this is what
1) Leads to child victims of rape (as in the Penn State case) to remain silent
2) Men to beat and rape women
I chose to not even respond to the comments as the over-reach and simplicity of such statements make them unworthy of discussion.
if you think that abusive language by authority figures doesn’t have any effect on whether kids will speak up...man. i don’t know what to tell you. abuse is abuse is abuse.
August 3rd, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
I’d be really curious to know if Matty, VaBlue or Broadneck either:
1) Have kids?
2) Coach youth sports?
3) If you have experience with coaching kids, have you ever dealt with parents?
If so, I’d love to know in what context - ages, what level of play, etc. because those things matter. A lot.
I don’t want to assume anything, so asking directly first. I really hope it’s based on what you’ve encountered personally based on coaching + parenting experience as opposed to theory or just a hot take.
So, what is your perspective about coaching kids today in sports based on?
1) Yes.
2) I have in the past.
3) The range was probably late middle school through early high school - yes I interacted with parents but there were never issues to deal with.
When I express surprise about this parent's reaction toward the word "fuck," I'm basing it on my experience playing numerous competitive sports for many years. As I mentioned ML crossed some lines here and deserves scrutiny, but the mother reacted like saying "fuck" to a middle schooler was going nuclear. It's quite normal from my experience. Now when I was a coach, I probably wasn't swearing at middle schoolers, but I wouldn't think twice if a middle school level coach cursed at me when I was a player (unless it was overly personal/demeaning). Sure, standards change over time, but I just can't imagine a coach saying something like "hurry the fuck up" during a drill constitutes abuse.
I think I agree with most of your take on it MattisonMan.
What is beyond me is that the majority of the comments on here don’t seem to be taking into account that her son bailed out on taking a lap he was given for not doing something right on the field. His solution was to go directly up into the stands to tell his mom about it, after which she went down onto the field DURING THE CAMP to confront Marshawn about it.
The kid in the background of the video with her seems to be very close to high school age.
So, to me, as somebody that has kids that are actively playing sports, and also as somebody that has coached for several years including high school athletes, I find it ridiculous that she would cross over onto the playing field during the camp.
I don’t need to get into Marshawn’s swearing or use of other words to tell you that if a mom starts off by saying, “I can’t imagine my son would ever do anything that would justify being sent on a lap...” and then charges onto the field, well, the kid probably is as soft as cotton candy because he’s been over-protected via helicopter his whole life and has somebody serving up excuses for him any time he’s challenged or faced adversity.
I’m jealous you never encountered any parent issues, but my experience has taught me beyond a shadow of a doubt that parents are embarrassingly nuts and completely biased when it comes to their own children. Higher levels of competition and pressure can breed even more insanity, but seeing parents that don’t respect boundaries starts almost as soon as sports does and they do a disservice to the whole concept of what games can teach kids about effort and personal accountability.
yes, yes, and yes.
none of those answers have one single bit to do with this conversation.
You're ill informed, don't know what your are talking about and are a complete idiot.
Broadneck is correct, that's why Brenda Tracey is trying to "set the expectation"; college football is a misogynistic cesspool and defending his behavior is laughable.