OT: Manning HGH Controversy Deepens; Sly was Indeed Employed in 2011
Many ESPN reporters, ie Mort, instantly "debunked" Al-Jazeera's source Charlie Sly as an intern in 2013 instead of 2011 when Manning was receiving neck treatment from the Guyer Institute.
Well, after all the scrutiny Al-Jazeera's Deborah Davies just released a video containing a verification call to the Guyer Institute a month ago to confirm that Sly was indeed employed for 3 months after October 17th, 2011.
This goes directly against Dr. Guyer's statement saying that Sly was employed in 2013.
Oh snap. (Inserts popcorn.gif here)
December 29th, 2015 at 9:18 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^
Any form of media without Drew Sharp or Skip Bayless is a (+) to me.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:41 AM ^
I trust them more than ESPN. They have been the NFL's mouthpiece ever since the league forced them to cancel Playmakers.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:54 AM ^
Word.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:55 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 10:06 AM ^
Fox, ESPN and NBC would never go for Serie A, so that part makes sense. (Serie A blows these days... Juventus is the only quality side in that league)
Prior to La Liga grouping their teams' contract rights, Real and Barca had deals with ESPN.
Premier League is the most profitable league in the world so NBC prioritized them over anything else.
Fox got Bundesliga rights.
So from this perspective, only La Liga as a whole decided BeIN is the choice, which is smart because it helps the league as a whole if they offered more. Who in the US knows a third team in La Liga? Maybe someone will name Atletico or Sevilla once in awhile.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
Al-Jazeera America. Located in the U.S. Not Al-Jazeera (in Qatar). Has what appears to be an independence from Al-Jazeera in Qatar.
From their website:
What is the difference between Al Jazeera English and Al Jazeera America?
Al Jazeera America is a completely different channel from Al Jazeera English and all of the other channels in the Al Jazeera Media Network. While all Al Jazeera channels abide by the same rigorous Code of Ethics and share a strong desire to interconnect local and global news and focus on the human side of every story, each channel serves its own audience and is managed separately and independently. Al Jazeera America is an American company incorporated in Delaware and has its own board and advisory board.
http://america.aljazeera.com/tools/faq.html
December 29th, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
December 29th, 2015 at 10:01 AM ^
Manning completely rejected the assertton that HE used PEDs. He also said it was sick that someone would go into his WIFE's medical history. And the allegation is that the stuff was mailed to HER. And he didnt deny that she received any oackages.
Playing lawyer, hearing what is said and NOT said (because Manning doesnt eant to lie)--does anyone else dedeuce like me that SHE used the PEDs? I dont know if thats legal or not.
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December 29th, 2015 at 11:00 AM ^
For most drugs, so-called "off label" prescribing is legal under the supervision of a doctor, but off-lable prescription of HGH has been specifically banned by the FDA so it is illegal. Unless his wife has AGHD or is HIV positive and is wasting away, but it doesn't look like that.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:07 AM ^
December 29th, 2015 at 10:05 AM ^
And Al Jazeera is beginning to back track on their own reporting.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/29/al-jazeera-reporter-str…
December 29th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^
Both sides are gonna shift their tones if Manning pursues a defamation suit.
Everything will come out piece by piece if that happens.
More popcorn for the rest of us.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:55 AM ^
He's not going to sue, he's a public figure which makes it even harder to win a defamation case.
And unlike many such cases where suits are filed to put pressure on relatively impoverished journalists (see Adelson, Sheldon), Al Jazeera is backed by Qatari oil money and they can and will outspend Peyton with the change in their couch.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^
I wouldn't say their backtracking, just clairfying the story. It was outlets like ESPN that ran with the story and began to imply that they were accusing Manning of using PEDs. If you watched the original video at no point to they say that Manning used PEDs/HGH.
They stated (and restated) that the allegations are Ashley Manning (his wife) was the reciepeint of the HGH. What thoughts you choose to form with that information is compeltely up to you. I think it implies that they were for him, but they never said it. To their credit the Manning's have not denied that Ashley was sent the medication, just that Peyton never used PEDs/HGH.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 2:12 PM ^
Read the article.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:24 AM ^
The credibility of Al Jazeera, which I realize we don't want to get into, is irrelevant at this point. The two videos of Sly making the statements about the Mannings and then recanting those statements are now available for people to make their own judgments about, as is the recording of Al Jazeera's call to Guyer re: Sly's employment.
I like Manning and hope he didn't use HGH, but he needs to clarify his "what my wife did is her business" statement. It seems unlikely that she would have been prescribed HGH given that there are very few legal uses for it.
Manning should have a long talk with a lawyer about what a suit against Al Jazeera would entail before he rushes to a decision on that front. There would be an unpleasant discovery process. I also think he'd lose, though I'm out of my wheelhouse on that.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:57 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 10:47 AM ^
HGH was allegedly sent to Peyton's wife, which the Mannings have never denied. So based only on the statement that HGH was sent to his wife, paired with how Peyton performed in the seasons after, a lot of people are jumping to the assumption that Peyton was the one who took the HGH. Idk about the rest of you, but I tend to give Peyton a little more credit than to have HGH sent directly to his house, with the only safegaurd in place being that it is addressed to his wife.
Other comments I've seen talk about him hiring Ari Fleischer. Oh, so if you could afford who you think is the absolute best at what you need done, you wouldn't do it? Or that his response was too aggressive? Really? What is this? High school?
The only things I know are that HGH may have been sent to his wife and that Peyton may have used them, he also may not have, but what the hell is up with these comments pretty much proclaiming his guilt? We know hardly anything right now, and I'm going to hold off on judging one of the best QB's of all time until more, if anything, comes out.
What is a little irritating is that I know if this same thing was happening to Tom Brady, a lot of the comments would be bashing the report and the person who made the statements and they certainly wouldn't be saying Tom Brady should just come out and admit to using HGH.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
While I agree with you most of what you said, there were a lot of comments on here that Brady should just admit to deflating balls, despite no evidence that he did so.
December 29th, 2015 at 3:34 PM ^
Yup, agree. Not everyone here is immediatly siding with the report and saying Peyton took HGH, but the jump to the conclusion when so little evidence to support that claim exists is troubling.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:50 AM ^
Issue is dead. Peyton is clean.
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December 29th, 2015 at 10:59 AM ^
There are 2 scenarios.
Ashley Manning is either involved in an illegal drug operation or has one of like 2 diseases that aren't congenital which HGH is approved for.
or
Peyton used her name to use HGH to recover from neck problems and prolong his career.
Manning can answer this one.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:07 AM ^
AGHD or a number of hormone defeciencies. It could also have been prescribed to her by her family physician. Might be a little shady if she asked her Dr. to prescribe it to her if she wanted to lose weight or recover, but there are several other explanations for why she may have gotten in than only having "2 diseases".
Would you be this strong on Tom Brady if it was his name and wife in the report and not Peyton's?
December 29th, 2015 at 11:10 AM ^
After seeing Tom Brady getting raked over coals with deflated football nonsense that ESPN actually fabricated (Mortenson) and apologized for later (at like 2am mind you), yes I want the same scrutiny for Peyton Manning.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
So you want ESPN to vilify Peyton the same way they tried to vilify Tom Brady? I don't like ESPN a whole lot either, and obviously using HGH is a lot worse than possibly knowing someone deflated footballs for you. I would like to see ESPN look at this more than just simply dismissing it too, but the evidence that was coming out against Brady was more damning than any evidence against Peyton. Again, HGH>Deflated balls, but one guy making one statement that he overheard while at work does not equal Peyton using HGH. You can speculate all you want, but at the end of the day, you or any of us simply do not know. We don't know what condition or disease his wife may or may not have, we don't know why the guy made the statements and then recanted them, and we may never know.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^
Is that what I said? If anything I want ESPN to actually do their jobs instead of giving preferential treatment to random athletes they like.
"Same scrutiny" might have been a stretch of words, but this is also more than just a Sunday and Monday morning news story like ESPN is making it out to be.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
One news network that does not typically cover sports as thouroughly as other news outlets. I think ESPN and other news networks, whether rightfully or not, believe that if there was any remote possibility that this is accurate, they would have had some inkling of knowledge about it. If you're mad at ESPN for the way they've covered it, that's fine, I'm personally pretty used to seeing ESPN cover athletes they like a lot different from those they don't. I mean, look at some of the athletes they have working for them? You can't reasonably think ESPN accurately protrays any sense of moral right or wrong given some of the "mistakes" the former players who make up their on-air "talent" have made? Mad at ESPN I get, jumping to the conclusion that Peyton used HGH because of some pretty circumstantial statements/opinions is something that is pretty unfounded at this point. I doubt much comes from this, but who knows, I thought the deflating football story was a small step from being an onion article until ESPN and Goodell made it world news.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^
The FDA listed the following conditions in 2012 as being among those that merit a prescription for HGH :
* hormonal deficiency that causes short stature in children;
* long-term treatment of growth failure due to lack of exogenous GH secretion;
* long-term treatment of short stature associated with Turner syndrome;
* adult short bowel syndrome;
* adult deficiency due to rare pituitary tumors or their treatment; and
* muscle-wasting disease associated with HIV/AIDS.
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_204.html
The first option is off the table. The next two seemingly are as well. The fourth and fifth seem most plausible. Hopefully the sixth is irrelevant. And there appear to be other acceptable uses, because the document says the limited number of conditions that warrant an HGH prescription include the above - it's apparently not an exclusive list.
It seems unlikely that Ashley Manning has a condition that merits HGH, but we don't know that she doesn't.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^
The answer is no he wouldn't be. This is way more of an issue for Patriots fans then it is for anyone else. This merited a post on here, but nowhere else yesterday.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^
And when the company that made the documentary the claim is in backs out from said claims, it becomes a dead issue.
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December 29th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^
Is Peyton Manning talking about a "defamation suit"? Because Peyton is very familiar with defamation suits. Following allegations of sexual assault by Peyton on a female trainer at UT, not only did UT have to reach a settlement with the trainer, but Peyton himself later lied about the incident and defamed her in his book and had to reach a settlement with her as well. So much for Mr. Nice Guy who should be believed because he's so good at throwing a football.
Oh, and he had to settle with the victim a second time after violating the court order and defaming her again in an ESPN (!) interview.
So Peyton is very familiar with the defamation suit process. Hope it goes better for him this time around. Maybe Peyton doesn't give a damn about defaming a low-level trainer a couple of times and having to cut her a couple of checks, but wait until the bills start piling up in a fight with Qatari billionaires.
Peyton doesn't just have to worry about the NFL investigation, he has to worry about a Federal investigation. The FDA probably won't do anything as the horse is out of the barn with respect to off-label prescription of HGH, but the USPS may want to find out if any of those packages ever sat on a Postal Service truck. He had better hope the clinic used FedEx air exclusively.
December 29th, 2015 at 3:10 PM ^
Al Jazeera has their own issues.
I would not assume anything regarding this situation.
December 29th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^
I know who Peyton Manning is though.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^
2012-2013 Manning rebounds to have 2 of the best seasons of his career while breaking records.
2014 In October the NFL begins testing for HGH. Manning's production starts to falter in the last half of the season.
2015 Just 2 seasons removed from setting NFL records, Manning's arm strength has disappeared. He's well on his way to having the worst year of his career before sitting due to injury.
Probably all just a big coincidence.
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December 29th, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
December 29th, 2015 at 3:06 PM ^
It also could indicate something nefarious was afoot.
Either way we have no evidence that Manning took HGH. Coincidence is not evidence. Suspicion is not guilt.
December 29th, 2015 at 6:34 PM ^
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December 29th, 2015 at 9:41 PM ^
I skipped straight to the 3rd page and this was the first post. Good timeline. I agree with you.