OT: Burning Man 2023: Who's Going?
Once more, 70,000 of us will do the unthinkable and head to the dust of Black Rock City. And just like always, I will suffer the indignity of incredulous questions from friends/relatives as to why I would (willingly) make this choice -- to subject myself to the harsh physical environment of the playa, and spend eight days with the most creative, absurd, and outright wacky people on earth? I'm a married, corporate executive with children and responsibilities. Why do I do this to myself?
The answer? Because there simply is no place like it. And when the first 24-48 hours are over, and your brain starts to comprehend the enormity of what you're seeing, you will find yourself never wanting to leave. And you will likely come away with a bit more optimism about our world than when you left. And then, a few weeks later, you'll find yourself thinking about the next one. All this coming from someone who is 100% sober/drug free, in case you're wondering.
So, the question remains. Anyone going?
August 10th, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^
I'll be there! Camp Cosmic Llama at 4:00 and B
August 10th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^
I will look for you! We're Camp Videogasm. 7:45/Esplanade
August 10th, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^
Got it outta my system a looooonnnng time ago.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^
there's Seth!
August 10th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^
Brian with sunglasses too!
August 10th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^
unless you're talking about Moses in the bottom left, I think we're both looking at the same person...
August 10th, 2023 at 1:01 PM ^
I haven't been and won't be able to make it this time around, but I will make it out someday (probably sometime in my 40s). As someone who is decidedly not drug free, this kind of thing seems up my alley.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^
Maybe. Gal I know is trying to get me to go with her group. I sort of feel I should do it once in my life.
August 10th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
If you use the word "gal" you're too old to go...
August 10th, 2023 at 5:37 PM ^
But "Gal" is her first name ........
August 10th, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^
A bunch of rich idiots looking for meaning in the false profundity of psychedlics. Searching the desert for absolution for the evil they've done.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^
...looking up "profundity"
(beat)
Oh ok. Yep.
Slight correction, though. I'm only a modestly-compensated idiot.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^
Wait. So you're sober and drug free but partake in psychedelics? No judgement, just clarifying.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
Wait. So you're sober and drug free but partake in psychedelics? No judgement, just clarifying.
Nahhh, not my thing. I'm wayyy too old for such shenanigans. I'm too anxious and paranoid, anyway. At my age, I just enjoy being outside without anything hurting.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^
It's just perfect that this original post was written as if anyone thinks going to Burning Man is like climbing Everest.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^
I've never been, but I have some interest.
To your point, friends of mine (old and grumpy like me) who were veterans of the "early days" have said that the posing and preening got a little worse every year.
If you've never encountered West Coast bragging, it's more indirect and dishonest than what you might see in a place like Dallas. (You can't be straightforward and vulgar about your wealth and status.)
608, you sound OK and you're exempted. :)
August 10th, 2023 at 4:28 PM ^
Sounds like you've never been to LA or Dallas...
August 10th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
Please elaborate.
I've lived in DFW. In the other area, I'll admit that I was thinking much more of SF Bay and tech types than LA.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:56 PM ^
Wow. You must be fun at parties. Also, there is nothing false about the profundity of psychedelics used in the right way. Though, Burning Man probably isn’t the right way for most people. That aside, You sound like just the person who could use some psychedelics. Why begrudge tens of thousands of people having a good time together? And why assume evil doing? You just sound bitter.
August 10th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^
I've used psychedelics plenty of times.
That people can use them and still not see how harmful their lifestyles are shows that they don't give any special insight into the world.
August 10th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^
I use them once or twice a year, and I can unequivocally say they have improved my life, my relationships with my family, and my general happiness. So, maybe your experience shouldn’t be extrapolated to the general population. There is recent scientific literature that shows similar positive effects on those experiencing severe depression and PTSD, though admittedly, it is too new to be considered definitive. Point is, plenty of anecdotal evidence at the very least that psychedelics have long term benefits.
Alcohol and tobacco have done WAY more harm to society than psychedelics ever will, yet I am sure you don’t judge those who partake in those vices as harshly and arrogantly as you do those who eat an occasional mushroom with their friends at festivals.
August 10th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^
You're missing my point. I don't think people should be incarcerated for possessing psychedelics, or any drug for that matter.
Do the corporate executives, like OP, go to the desert and reflect, while looking at the stars, high kn mushrooms, that there are millions staring up at the ceilings of cells at the same moment?
Burning Man had become strongly associated with silicon Valley. Do any of those tech executives reflect on the contrast between their vast hordes of wealth, and the thousands of destitute people living in the city they've taken over?
To me, it seems that psychedelics for these people is just spiritual self-justification. A secular ritual of spiritual purification that allows them to continue to pile up cash while providing the world with nothing of value.
August 10th, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^
Burning Man had become strongly associated with silicon Valley. Do any of those tech executives reflect on the contrast between their vast hordes of wealth, and the thousands of destitute people living in the city they've taken over?
The association to Silicon Valley is a cultural one. There's definitely alignment between the "10 Principles of Burning Man (https://burningman.org/about/10-principles/) and the entrepreneurialism, free-thinking encouraged at tech startups.
But respectfully, don't confuse Elon Musk's attendance with some incorrect notion that 70,000 burners are all rich, tech guys from the Bay Area. The vast VAST majority of folks who attend Burning Man are legit artists, creatives, and people of modest means who use the week for self-expression, and to just be amongst other people like themselves for a few days.
August 10th, 2023 at 4:30 PM ^
Burning man is for stupid poseurs
August 11th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^
You're stereotyping 70,000 people based on the actions of maaaaaybe 1,000 of them.......if that many, because they are the hyped up ones you read about from a distance, with no actual experience whatsoever.
The vast majority of the people that go are anything but rich and spend an entire year scrimping, saving, and fundraising to be able to attend. I was in one of the early sound camps and have been at the Burn for up to 10 days for both setup and breakdown of a medium/large camp. The amount of sweat and toil involved is nothing you can imagine until you do it and, again, for us and nearly everyone I hang out with, a year long process of events, fundraiser parties, etc., etc.
Also.....your general population of Burners as a collective whole is exponentially more concerned with the world, the environment and what is actually going on than a comparable set of 70,000 non-Burners, that I can guarantee you.
Are there a lot of Sparkle Ponies at BM these days that spend their time preening and prancing their way across their social media accounts? Probably, yes. Are there enclaves of ultra rich tech douches that set up luxury camps that are restrictive and exclusionary? By all accounts....yes, but again you are indicting the other roughly 69,000 attendees based on the hype and controversy they generate.
What you don't understand is the fundamental, foundational premise of Burning Man is the concept of radical inclusion. The population of BM has always been somewhat a reflection of what is going on in our society as a whole.......and both Sparkle Ponies and vapid ultra-wealthy TED talk groupies are, for better or worse (ok, worse), a part of what makes up the fabric of our society. If you see a huge increase in the gap between rich and poor in the U.S., you're going to see that at the Burn. If you see a significant portion of a whole generation of people living their lives by fluffing themselves and their self esteem by posting a skewed version of their existence online......you're going to see that at Burning Man.
The thing is......that small % of people and camps are 1000% avoidable. A circled camp of luxury RVs with security guards that won't let you in......is only a problem if you want to go in. That's on you. People prancing and posting photo opps so that other people pay attention......is only a problem if you pay attention to them. Again....that's on you if you do.
My friends that go to the Burn are welders, artists, musicians, DJs, teachers, mortgage brokers, accountants, physicists, doctors, waiters, mechanics, tech workers, etc., etc. They (next year again hopefully "we") spend oodles of their free time planning, scheming, producing and funding their ability to contribute and participate in the vast array of art, performance, theater, community, music, parties and general mayhem that you completely ignore and dismiss out of sheer ignorance. There are people who could fund the whole camp with a blank check and not even flinch, or some of us who could just donate some $$ amount as a group and show up, but that isn't the goal.
Thanks for helping to strengthen my resolve tomgo back next year.
If you are at all interested in having a more informed opinion, I'd recommend joining a BM Facebook group, or even just get into some of the troves of online photo libraries and actually peruse the creativity, joy, inclusion, and participatory nature of the other 99% that attend. I ceased recommending that people go back in the 90's, so I will stop short of doing that because when the wrong people go, it isn't good for anyone. To anyone reading this and thinking about it, the right people know who they are and will make it there on their own because, quite simply, can't not go.
As mentioned elsewhere on here, BM is what you make of it and you will find what you seek and it will change your life if you do it right. It did mine. If you want drugs, parties, orgies....it is there. If you want a quiet, out of the ordinary, family vacation away from all that and full of art, culture, community, camping.....also there. And everything in between and on both sides.
August 11th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
Holy crap, Mtzlblk. Kinda brilliant.
Thank you for chiming in and sharing your own experience with BM. You’re so spot on with everything you wrote — particularly the incorrect notion that 70,000 burners are tech startup douchers. It’s such a lazy take that you effectively dispelled. Almost everyone I meet at the burn is authentic and committed to the 10 Principles, and just genuinely nice people.
August 10th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
I know numerous people who have completely changed their lives for the better, and greatly improved their outlook on life, solely by using psychedelics
but sure keep telling us how bad they are
August 11th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^
Exactly the type of person that shouldn't go and would never, ever get it.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^
I'm heading to RussFest instead.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
Everything's so blurry and everyone's so fake.
August 10th, 2023 at 5:17 PM ^
“That guy fucks”
August 10th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
I'll pass on watching Ryan Day take a dump the day after the game.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^
I'm more of a lollapallooza guy (25 years ago).
August 10th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
from what I understand there are no bands playing at burning man. i would be bored.
RIP Vans Warped Tour and Lollapalooza (the good version)
August 10th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^
The pics of the event seem ... interesting? But i just do not understand the event. And it looks so hot and dry i cannot see how this would be fun!?!?!
I figured it was just a big drug orgy with art. But after reading your post, i guess not?
August 10th, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^
Oh no, it is indeed...OP is just trying rather hard to make it seem like something more than that.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^
As I say to people who honestly ask me about it, you will generally find what you're looking for at Burning Man. If you're looking for drugs, sex, and partying all night long -- have at it, you'll likely find that in abundance there. If you're looking for a healthy journey with art, yoga, taking a few fun classes, and meeting some amazing people, you'll def find that.
Not trying "rather hard" to do anything other than "rather poorly" explaining what it's like.
August 10th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^
So wait. I can go there to get laid?
August 10th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Probably not you
j/k
August 10th, 2023 at 2:13 PM ^
Honey I knew that was your account.
August 10th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
Give me a break...
August 10th, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^
I went to a small local burn in Texas. It felt like a music festival without the music. I'm not sure it's my scene.
Hope you have fun though!
August 10th, 2023 at 1:28 PM ^
Never been to Burning Man and probably never will go, but I do remember reading an article some years ago about a tent on the property for "sexual exploration" that advertises an openness to "threesomes, foursomes, or MORESOMES." I've regularly used the term "moresome" thereafter...
August 10th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
Too each their own. If I have that much free time off then I'll travel to the U.P. and try and get some Walleyes and and a Muskie while enjoying the sights and sounds of Bald Eagles and Loons. There's no better way to get in touch with life and our planet that.
August 10th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^
Can't criticize that. UP is God's country.
August 10th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^
Made the trek in 2013 and 2014 from Seattle. Afraid NYC is a haul too onerous, though the event has called me through pangs of nostalgia over the past few years. As someone who went in their early 20s on a shoestring, it was rough, it was eye opening, it illuminated a sense of optimism (as you described), and I have never been anywhere like it since. I wrote a short story that takes place on the playa that needs a home for publication if anyone has lines on a venue (or just wants to hit it)
August 10th, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^
Yeah, that's what drugs do... Pretty sure that happens no matter what the location...even Brooklyn.
August 11th, 2023 at 11:54 AM ^
Well, yeah. But also BK is a long long way from Black Rock City. iykyk