I know there are many lawyer-types on the board, but I don't know how many are true freshman who will be taking the Bar Exam tomorrow and Wednesday.
Anyone else out there preparing to dine in hell?
It'll be over soon and you'll do well if you stayed on schedule with whatever prep program you were using.
Just remember, you dont need to have the best score, just better than ~30% of the takers.
or if you didnt stay on schedule but are good at cramming. either way...
Every last Tuesday and Wednesday of July and February. I still get a little sick to the stomach when someone reminds me even though its been a lot of years. I had to take two different state bar exams because the second state I took didn't have reciprocity with the first state I took.
Good luck to any of you. Just suck it up and get through it. Its the only test you'll ever take where a D is acceptable. All you need to do is pass.
but I have a roomate who is taking the bar at that same time. He has been a nervous wreck! Best of luck!
I'm not taking it tomorrow, but I took it 2 years ago and am glad to have it behind me. Just remember that you ony need to pass. Good luck
Top bar is "Cold", bottom bar is "Super Cold".
I think I speak for all attorneys when I say that that is the dumbest effing advertising campaign in modern history.
But how will our feeble minds know when our beer is ready to drink unless we can see it with our eyes?
Honestly I wonder how many people have bought Coors for this reason....any *older* person (I am 25) I know is like "Hey did you see Coors Lights bottles? They are awesome!"....leading me to facepalm
While I do agree with you on that, I do enjoy the extra wide opening with the vent on the cans. Miller has the vortex bottle, however I can't bring myself to drink that piss.
Flavored water. Barely flavored water. Cold, but barely flavored.
Good luck to everyone enduring professional hazing--er, taking the bar exam this week.
Good luck, will be taking the bar, too, except in Ohio. Its one thing to take it in Lansing, its quite another to take it in Columbus. Here's to hoping its my only ever compelled trip to Columbus.
Ohio's is three days long, isn't it?
Good luck, man. That's a lotta law.
6 Essays on Tuesday morning- 30 minutes for each. Two Multistate Performance Tests in the afternoon, 90 minutes each. Wednesday - MBE. Thursday AM - 6 Essays 30 minutes each.
1:00 PM on Thursday - Getting the hell out of Columbus.
4:00 PM on Thursday - Crackin' open a brew.
Looks like Ohio follows Texas' Rule of Three: Three years of study, three months of review, three weeks of panic, and three days of hell. Good luck man!
..years ago. It was in the convention center or someplace. Lot's of red shirts all around. I had just moved to Ohio, so it was off-putting, but motivating at the same time.
I have taken other bar exams since that one. But, Ohio's is pretty long.
The most difficult thing BY FAR is not worrying about it. As a timed test, it is those who "freak out" that do poorly. In talking with people, it is those who miss the point of a question completely and then can't stop thinking about it the rest of the exam that do poorly. Just keep moving and put it behind you. Keep moving, you are not going to get them all right.
I, mean, you still have to do some preparation, but you know a lot of it already. And, if it makes you feel any better, Capital Law School in C-Bus usually contributes a big portion of those that fail. (Unless you go to Capital...then ignore that last sentence.)
Any kind of insight is always helpful. I didn't go to Capital for law school, but I did go to Michigan State's Law School.
Capital got a new dean a few years ago and he turned the law school into a 3 year BARBRI course.
"I have to do better on it than THESE guys...!"
Good Luck! I'm taking it in IL! That old Rilo Kiley video is actually working wonders on my frazzled self-confidence. T-60 hours until drinking commences.
I hope you didn't go for the hotels where they're actually giving the exams, it sounds convenient (which is why a lot of people do it) but it's not recommended if you ask me. I stayed in one that seemingly few bar exam takers were in, and it was great to get away from them. I talked to classmates who stayed in the hotel where I actually took the exam and they said you could feel the stress and tension and freakouts in the air.
I didn't think the exam was that bad, but I take tests very quickly so the time crunch wasn't going to be an issue. Multiple people on either side of me in the exam room must have failed, but no one I actually know failed the exam.
Headed up to East Lansing, and it's kinda weird because I think they make you take it in the Breslin Center. Given how little I know, I'll essentially be dropping a whole bunch of shit on the Breslin Center floor.
It's been a while since I took it, so I don't know if they still do this, but when I took the bar at the Breslin Center they opened up one of the concessions stands for lunch. I hadn't brought my own lunch, so the concession stand was really the only practical option given the distances on State's campus--yet the only food they had to choose from was nachos, brats, and various other indigestion-producing fare, which is not exactly what you need in order to tackle essays on secured transactions. So, the best piece of advice I can give anyone taking the bar at Breslin is to bring your own lunch (or, at least, a full roll of Tums).
I've just been soaking up this summer. Good luck everyone
I'm sure you're getting lots of words of encouragement, but here are mine:
I don't just think you're going to pass, I think you're going to do well. Of all the MGoBlog contributors, the words that wend their way from your fingers to the keyboard are some of the wittiest I've read. Your power of recall and ability to synthesize an entertaining turn of phrase have seldom failed you here. They reveal a great mind for detail and insight that will serve you well tomorrow.
Best wishes. Or, as they say in the theatre business, "Break a leg".
Thanks, Njia. Apparently I should have had you write one of my letter of recommendation to the Bar association's Character and Fitness investigators.
And it would have been my pleasure. I've had to do references for friends as they've been investigated for security clearances.
Of one of my friends, I told the investigator after a lengthy list of questions, "Look, ma'am, I've known this guy for 20 years. If you can't trust him, the U.S. Government should just give up on the idea of 'security' altogether, because it can't trust anyone."
I took the Texas Bar exactly one year ago this week, so having sympathy flashbacks. Good luck, you know far more than you think you do and the biggest key is not letting stress block your recall!
First, I second the sentiments of Njia.
My remedial advice, which should of course be taken or left as you see fit: Try as best you can to get enough sleep each night. Make sure you bring food that will give you energy but not put you into a food coma. Get up half-way during the MBE, if you feel like you have the time, and go to the bathroom even you don't have to. It's an excuse to stretch and get the blood pumping. The bar exam is a physical test of your ability to sit in a crappy, stuffy room in a $10 chair with a bunch of stressed-out people as it is a mental test. Do whatever you can to make yourself comfortable.
I went to bathroom following the completion of each essay question to clear that question from my head and have the ability to start anew with the next question. Worked for me, but then again, what do I know.
It's as much time management as it is legal knowledge. Stay away from nervous complainers before, and ESPECIALLY the night between days one and two.
And when you get the future interest question, laugh (to yourself)...
I hate to admit that all the times I sat in Real Property and bar review saying "I'll never deal with this future interests crap again just came crashing down on me. I just had a super sticky case that was all about future interests and valuation of a particularly complex set of deeds and the value of the property of each of the many family members who had a piece.
Where I went to law school we had a party after the bar results came out where we started a bonfire on the beach and after people passed they came down to burn their bar review books. I kinda wish I had those handy as I tried to navigate the basics of this last case. Would have made it a little easier.
I mean, EVERYONE knows that you cannot sustain a medical malpractice action in Michigan against a doctor who is more than 6'2" unless you get written permission from your (and his) mother... right?
if that doctor is left-handed.
Yup, taking in IL. Taking the day off other than browsing some of the tests for the essays since the next two days will be exhausting enough. Plus, can finally start brewing a batch of something delicious for the start of football season!
Thursday. Ohio has higher standards than most states.
Well, with the amount of cases you're likely to have to handle in the buckeye state, they just want to make sure you're well prepared.
When I think "Ohio," I think "higher standards." It reminds me of that time that... hey, Terrelle, what are you doing? No, those are MY cleats. Give them back. And no, you can't use my computer to log onto eBay... Anyway, where was I? Ah, yes, that time that... DAMNIT, TERRELLE, stop trying to sign my dog.
I gotta go. Terrelle is at it again.
Good luck, SUCKERS! Hahahaha.
Practicing law sucks - skip the bar and find another profession quickly!
Do not, under any circumstances, get caught during breaks talking about exam questions you just finished. That doesn't matter anymore, and people are just looking for comfort at that point. Just get away from everyone, have a drink of water or a snack, and clear your mind for the next section.
Also.....go see a movie tonight. You're not learning anything new.
Just take an outline with you in your car and look at it briefly each morning, and get ready to write.
+1 to above advice. During lunch break, eat a light lunch quickly, spend 20-30 minutes relaxing, then get fired up for the afternoon (i have no idea your exam format). Don't talk about the exam with other people taking the exam b/c they'll either tell you how they aced question #2 and make you feel bad OR they'll tell you how panicked they were after question #2 and make you feel bad. In CA its 3 straight days, 6 hrs per day. After I was done for the day, I ate a large dinner, sat in a hot tub/pool for a bit, drank 2-3 shots of tequila and a beer and went to bed by 7-8pm. Got up at 4-5am next day and spend 2 hours refreshing before the exam.
You can trust me, b/c I passed on only the 2nd try!
taking the PA bar exam. good luck to everyone - if youre in PA please help bring down the curve
You should probably be doing some last minute studying, praying, breathing exercise, ...or at least that's what I was doing (probably a combination of all 3). Good luck, relax and look forward to the time of no worries while you wait for the results to come back.
I'm taking it, but you already knew that Blue, since we will be spooning in the hotel tonight
Shotgun big spoon...
I took it in Illinois two years ago and it was absolutely misreable. Not so much the exam, which was a blur, but the 3 months of studying and agonizing was enough to tell myself I won't be taking it again, even though I recently moved to Michigan. I am just going to wait the 5 years until reciprocity kicks in (as I work in-house my company allowed me to have a special certification so I can represent them).
Best of luck to everyone!
Good luck man, at least you probably won't have to suffer through an earthquake on Day 1 of the bar like in So-Cal 2008.
Just remember, for the written portion of the bar, writing down the analysis is far more important than memorizing the specific rule. The 'I' and the 'A' are far more important than the 'R' in IRAC. Ex: They don't fail the kids who say that the statute of limitations is 3 years when it's actually 2 years. They fail the kids who fail to see the limitations issue in the first place.
And don't forget the 'C' in IRAC.
They used the earthquake story and the soup truck crash story to scare us into being at the exam early and ignoring everything.
Earthquake - Some people got up and left the test center in SD when the earthquake hit. "Sorry, no refund. Sorry, can't sit for the rest of the exam. Sorry, see you in 6 monhts."
Soup Truck - Essentially, a Cambell soup truck crashed on I-8 freeway west and shut down the freeway an hour before the exam. Basically anybody traveleing down the coastal areas (Orange County, LA) from the 5 freeway, was stuck in traffic and missed the first day of the exam. The state bar, in their very empathic way said, "Sorry, no refunds. Sorry, can't sit for the rest of the exam. Sorry, see you in 6 months."
It's been many years since I've taken the bar, and it all seems like a blur to me now. However, I do agree with previous poster to not discuss prior q's at lunch (doesn't help); eat a light but nutritious lunch even if you have to bring it yourself; and after the first day is over, have a good dinner, drink a couple of beers and relax. Go to bed early, and trust your prior studying.
We're all pulling for you.
The experience. You will do great and then enjoy a terrific profession. Really.
OT: I had a case of Coors in my hand on Saturday, when I remembered these ads. I promptly put the Coors down in favor of another brand, strictly because I refuse to support any organization that puts out such shitty commercials, and I'm glad to hear that other people feel the same way.
I'm not petty, I'm a motherf*cking consumer.
EDIT: Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to the Coors thread. I'm taking the bar next year, and for the same reasons hate the Coors commercials.
We have way too many lawyers coming down the pike. Luckily, it's mostly words of encouragement. And well deserved. Frankly, considering how many lawyers we have, it's not THAT hard to pass. Those guys on tv did it too. So it should be a piece of cake for you. Good luck.
get there early. Parking can be somewhat of a headache and you are just not going to want to deal with it.
Think about anything else but the test tonight, its too late now, for better or worse.
If you know that you screwed up on a question, don't give it another thought, just move on. And don't write a lot to compensate for the fact that you don't know the answer. You simply cannot bullshit this test.
The bar exam is hard. You will without question run into the one or two people who are like "I can't believe how easy that was." They are lying, and showing out. It is hard, and you will feel like you did poorly regardless. It is not a test you can "win," you just survive it.
You will pass, no sweat.
Just. Be. Confident. You've put three years and given up half a summer studying. There's nothing on the test you haven't seen before. And even if there's something you don't have down cold, you know enough to drag a few points by bullshitting through an essay. Don't let the test psyche you out.
Oh, and what jg2112 said. If someone tries to talk about the fact patterns after, find a way out of the conversation. There's nothing to gain. All that will happen is you second guessing an answer that you can't change.
My career is in finance and economics.A lot of people pass the bar exams. Some make it on the first try, others on the second. If you should fail, don't worry about it. And don't let anyone try to tell you who you are. Failure can be a great beginning too.
Be confident. Trust yourself and you will do well.
Any test that lasts a couple days is no fun, but you'll get through it.
The important thing to remember is that you have studied for this thing full-time for more than a month and more studying would probably be counter-productive.
I passed the July 1983 Michigan Bar Examination and the February 2011 Florida Bar Examination.
In my opinion, you need to exercise and rest after the first day's sessions. You will have 1,8 minutes to read and answer each of the MBE questions. The MBE is grueling and you need to be fresh.
The exam is difficult. I thought I failed both exams. As others have stated, do not listen to the other test takers and DO NOT get upset if a question appears to be difficult.
Stick to your time paramaters. IIRC, it was 20 minutes an essay. Move on if you aren't done with a longer essay, you will probably get a few shorter ones later on then have time to go back and finish. But the last thing you want is to stay too long on one then not have time to finish the whole test, especially since you could miss out on easier questions, and a lot of points. Remember that each question is worth the same amount regardless of how long or difficult it is.
If you have to take your cell phone with you for some crazy reason, take the battery out and keep it as far away from your phone as possible. Someone's phone rang in my testing room during the last 30 minutes of the last section. The proctors found the bag that was ringing, put it on the counter and waited for the poor sucker to claim it. I hope for his/her sake, he/she sacrificed that bag and its contents to the Illinois Bar.