OT- 50 Killed, 200 Injured in Vegas shooting
This has been declared the deadliest mass shooting in this country's history. Lets all take a moment to send prayers to those affected. If you have loved ones in Vegas I hope they are safe. There is a hotline number to call if you cant get ahold of someone youre looking for
1-866-535-5654
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
Nothing will change.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^
in the last 15 years?
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:58 AM ^
Nothing will change from this
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:10 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
So many lives shattered by one nut job. So wrong.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^
For everyone who wants to have a discussion on politics/gun control...there are numerous other subreddits, blogs, and websites in which you can discuss this matter. I come to Mgoblog to escape our heightened political world and tragedies. I have opinions on this matter as do most of us, but I don't think Mgoblog is the place to have this discussion. Nevertheless, my deepest prayers and condolences go out ot all the families and friends of the victims. This is a sad day in America.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^
Well I know of other sites to have a discussion about it, and none of those sites are mgoblog.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:36 AM ^
This was in response to another comment about how this user didn't like when athletes knelt during the national anthem and all the usual talking points that goes along with it. I am 100% on the side of "let's not start screaming at each other about guns" today. Though I will say I don't see the immense value in a bunch of people saying prayers and best wishes to those affected. Because prayers and condolences are not going to address the underlying issues that have led to huge number of gun-related fatalities in this country, and that's a discussion that will be ongoing in this country. It shouldn't necessarily be here in the comment thread of a Michigan sports blog, but I'd be fine if these types of articles are posted and then closed to comments, since you can find LOTS of other places to discuss AND pay your condolences.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:39 AM ^
I think we both agree then that although well intended, the shooting should not be a thread on mgoblog regardless. People will gripe about the "prayers and condolences crowd" and vice-versa. We should probably lock the thread.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 11:39 AM ^
I am refraining from a political discussion. But I will leave it that we have seen virtually this same exact type of attack before in this country, numerous times, in recent memory. The fact it keeps happening with some frequency sort of highlights the argument that could be made that we are not learning the relevant lessons from them and making efforts to minimize their frequency in the future.
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:45 PM ^
These things keep happening and every time well-meaning* people wheel out the talking point of "let's not politicize this".
Which is itself an insanely political POV since the only discussion those comments seek to quash is the gun control discussion. It's not as if we're suddenly going to start a political discussion about how to cause even more mass murders.
* I assume they're well-meaning, although the original creators of the talking point certainly aren't.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^
Sorry LSA, we failed you. Have fun buddy.
Sad, tragic, heartbreaking... not much to say but a sad day for America.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^
Not responding with a political statement made me blow an intestinal wall, but I come here to escape also.
All the best for the poor victims.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^
I think sarcasm naturally fails in posts like this.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:35 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
My folks live in Vegas, but fortunately (speaking in a very relative way) they were nowhere near the tragedy. (My mom in a text: 'We are fine. Old folks don't go to the Strip at night')
The paradox that boggles my mind: although by many objective criteria, we're living in the safest era in recorded history, it sure doesn't fucking feel like it. And, at the risk of sounding political even though this shouldn't be a political issue - if any crackpots start spouting off conspiracy theories as they've done with similar tragedies about how this was a false flag operation and the victims and their families are crisis actors, I am going to fucking throat punch them with a broken bottle without a single ounce of remorse.
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^
if it's that paradoxical. I think living in the US is pretty safe and I feel safe most of the time (and I live in a relatively high crime area).
I think the disconnect you refer to stems from the fact that there are simple and obvious remedies to these mass killings but discussion/implementation of them gets immediately shut down by a well-oiled talking point machine, beginning with the self-policing we see in this thread around "not bringing politics into this terrible tragedy."
October 2nd, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^
There are no simple remedies. We have 300 million firearms and a trillion rounds of ammunition for them in private possession of US citizens. You cannot confiscate these firearms to any meaningful degree. When CT promulgated its "assault weapons" ban, fewer than 15% of the owners complied and this was immediately following Sandy Hook. Moreover, we have porous borders and if the federal government was to attempt a mandatory confiscation project it's a certainty that black market firearms would end up here given the demand. I can appreciate the mindset "to do something" about these massacres but no single solution will work, the problem will need to be addressed over generations, and it will not be simple.
October 2nd, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^
And "good" health insurance. I have to meet a $1,500 deductable before BCBS pays dime one related to mental health services.
You want this shit to stop? Get crazy people the help they need, when they need it, at a price they can afford. Preferably nothing.
October 2nd, 2017 at 2:33 PM ^
But this won't eliminate massacres. Some mentally "normal" folks commit terrible acts in the name of ideology, religion, politics etc. The U. Texas tower shooter was an apparently well-adjusted person with an undiagnosed brain tumor. This immediate Vegas shooter was apparently an ordinary boring dude in possession of fully-automatic weapons somehow. I'm not going to state that we should do nothing, however, the issue is complex and so-called "crazy people" weren't members of The Weathermen and didn't attack the Marseilles train station. We're going to be dealing with massacres throughout our lifetimes.
October 2nd, 2017 at 4:10 PM ^
The data being collected by tech giants have proven to yield scarily accurate psychological profiles on users. This study shows that nothing but Facebook likes can be used with 78% accuracy to determine a user's race, age, IQ, sexuality, personality, drug use, and political views: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/11/facebook-likes-pr…
It's not a big stretch to think Google will be able to identify mass shooters before a mass shooter even starts planning said shooting based on the user's internet usage. Of course, many might think this kind of power and leverage over citizens would also have negative consequences, but that's an entirely different argument.
October 2nd, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^
Then again Ted Kaczynski. No electricity in the cabin, no computer, just a typewriter. Oh and clever bombs delivered to the victims by mail. Go off the grid, or just stay off social media (I do now) and there is nothing available to analyze.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:26 PM ^
has made you an open book!
"Youve given everything away" - Vizzini
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^
US patent bar, SCOTUS bar, and my role in many organizations and my publications unfortunately subject much of my personal information to Big Data mining and exploitation. Which is funny in a sense because I represent some Big Data businesess and even countries notorious for data exploitation. Karma sucks. Still I despise Zuck and many other data mining platform operators and have dropped off most social media after being an early adopter. You truly shouldn't play there.
October 2nd, 2017 at 4:52 PM ^
I think we lose the right to call this a tragedy when we know the next one is around the corner and we have 0 intent on making any changes to prevent or minimize it.
October 2nd, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^
Do you suggest will be effective? A total gun ban for example would not have prevented or minimized what just occured in Vegas. The shooter today had no right to possess fully-automatic firearms and yet he acquired them anyway.
Fully-automatic firearms are strictly controlled. Semi-automatic firearms cannot reliably be converted into fully-automatic firearms with minor work or mere bump-fire setups. The same border which allows millions of illegal aliens and drugs to enter our country will just as readily admit millions of firearms and ammunition courtesy of international arms dealers.
Share what changes you propose.
October 2nd, 2017 at 6:11 PM ^
Nah, you're right. We shouldn't change a thing. Days like today confirm everything is just fine.
October 2nd, 2017 at 6:20 PM ^
We ban mass events and gatherings? Else all guns and ammunition? Single out lonely white dudes? TSA searches and parcel checks at every street corner? Disclosure of mental health evaluations? Religous/political profiling?
Respectfully, if you demand changes then you should propose some of those changes for discussion. Else the rest is just virtue signaling and completely meaningless to address this problem.
Meanwhile a bunch of new victims were shot in my adopted town, Chicago, this week. Thousands shot already, not to mention the stabbings and bludgeoning etc., and where was that outcry?
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^
Black on Black violence doesn't advance the liberal narrative.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^
true dat!
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:24 PM ^
One of the downside of a free society. I'd rather have a free society then a police state.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^
So this is disgraced Bill Oreilly's line.
1) We don't have to make human sacrifices to the god of Freedom like we're Aztecs or something.
2) There is a huge space between a police state and NRA writing our gun control laws. In fact, one could easily argue that the two are unrelated.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:54 AM ^
You advocate for ban on guns yet your profile picture is of a guy who famously used a gun!
You might as well ban cars and knives as those can easily kill people too.
What you fail to understand that guns might be used to kill people but they also are used to save lives and deter crime.
October 2nd, 2017 at 7:24 PM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:48 PM ^
If it turns out this guy purchased the firearms he used legally from FFL's and passed background checks, then there is nothing short of banning semiautomatic centerfire rifles and confiscating them from the hands of current owners that would have stopped this massacre. Good luck getting millions of law abiding gun owners to voluntarily turn in their rifles without a massive fight in the courts.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:50 AM ^
Easier to control the sheeple when they can't fight back.
Just ask the Catalans if they wished they had firearms when the Spanish police came in and beat them for wanting to vote.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:47 AM ^
What changes need to be made? It is easy to type that. It surely makes one feel good to just say it. But what exactly you think need to be done to stop this?
I know what it is that many of you don't want to say. Ban all guns. Sounds good. But won't happen.
There was a time in this country kids brought rifles to school. No one got shot. So what has changed? Our culture. The amount of respect people have of each other. It's not guns that need to banned. It's people. Ban People and no one will get shot because I have yet to see a gun get up off the ground and go shoot itself at others.
