NIL deals for other sports (non FB/BB)

Submitted by Mike60586 on May 5th, 2022 at 8:53 AM

Question for the board.

Has anyone heard of NIL deals ( U of M, other schools) for sports that are not as popular as Football and Basketball?   Will these get more popular over time?

I have a HS Sophomore who is looking at several D1 programs for men's soccer and am curious if NILs will flow over to "non revenue" sports in the future.  I highly doubt that it will, but you never know.

Thanks!

Lakeyale13

May 5th, 2022 at 9:07 AM ^

Can’t imagine Soccer programs getting NIL money, considering it isn’t a sport that even gives full scholarships out (traditionally) to players. 
 

Furthermore, former college soccer player and captain of my team, the sport is becoming increasingly filled with foreign players that are happy to come and play here in the States and do that without a full ride. My former program is year in and year out in the Top 10 of DII and I bet 9-10 of their 11 starters are all foreign.  
 

Also, soccer is an anomaly compared to other college sports, that DII teams can be just as good if not better than many DI teams.  So don’t rule out DII programs. 

Mike60586

May 5th, 2022 at 9:21 AM ^

Agree on the D2 comment;  My daughter went D2 and loves it.

I also am of the same mind as you with regard to the NIL, since they only have limited scholarships and split them up over the roster.  However, the NIL money is getting crazy out there, so I would imagine that it would spill over to others over time.  Having said that, I would think that Hockey, Baseball and a few others would get it before soccer.    

bluebrains98

May 5th, 2022 at 12:22 PM ^

I disagree about other sports not getting NIL money. While boosters may not be ponying up to land recruits, I've gotta think companies are likely to be more forward looking. Invest in someone while they are easy to entice in college for relatively little money. Build a relationship with them, and when they graduate, the company will have first dibs at "sponsoring" them at the professional level. Just one "hit" will easily offset many $25-50k misses over the long term. Hockey, soccer and baseball would all fit this model.

Lakeyale13

May 5th, 2022 at 12:27 PM ^

I'm sure you are probably right.  Those sports will end up getting NIL money.  I hope that indeed happens.  Would be great for student athletes that don't have a full ride to get funds that could cover that other portion of their tuition.  Now I think that would be cool.

1VaBlue1

May 5th, 2022 at 9:29 AM ^

Yep...  Google it - they're popping up everywhere.  The IU cheerleader that unstuck the ball during a tourney game got a deal!  So did an NAIA volleyball player.  They exist, they're just few and far between.  I don't think they'll ever get saturated to the point that football and mens bball will.

But the big victory with NIL is that any college student can earn legit money.  Reference Olivia Dunne vs Donald De La Haye...  (Dunne is/was an LSU gymnast with TikTok and IG followers in the millions, making millions; De La Haye was a UCF kicker booted out by the NCAA for earning money off non-football related videos he made a few years before NIL.)

bronxblue

May 5th, 2022 at 9:45 AM ^

Nike's first NIL deal was with a UCLA soccer player, so like most deals if you show value you're likely going to have an opportunity to grab NIL money.  And that's true even in football - we hear about these crazy deals some guys get but I'm fairly certain that the backup right guard at Okie St. or the 2nd WR at Rutgers isn't getting much in the way of NIL money.

Pumafb

May 5th, 2022 at 10:03 AM ^

I have a good friend who's son will be wrestling for Princeton. He's already been shown some of the NIL opportunities that are going to be available. So, short answer, yes there is NIL for "non-revenue" athletes. 

chatster

May 5th, 2022 at 10:07 AM ^

Is your son in the player pool for his country’s national team for his age group or been offered to join a good academy team with one of the top European clubs or an MLS club? Is he starting for the best club team in your region? Has he been offered any D-1 scholarships? If not, then he should try to enjoy playing while also focusing on academics.

Long before NIL deals became relevant, one of my sons was a three-year varsity starter for a good high school soccer team and played for a good club team. The only player he knew who had D-1 offers was someone who’d played on the 1999 USA U-17 team with Landon Donovan and DaMarcus Beasley.

My son’s best opportunities would’ve been to play for one of the D-3 schools where he was accepted and where, unlike at D-1 schools, soccer wouldn’t have been a full-time job and academics had priority. He took an academic scholarship and got enough AP credits to enroll at a D-1 school as a sophomore. He never played D-1 sports, but got to party with some players who won a national championship, graduate with honors (Phi Beta Kappa) and without debts. (Apologies for feeling proud of what my son accomplished both on and off the pitch, but I know that he can look back on his experience with college choices and quote famed golf-course groundskeeper Carl Spackler.)

ak47

May 5th, 2022 at 10:22 AM ^

Yes, the third highest paying sport for NIL is womens volleyball. The types of deals will depend on the individual much more. Does your kid already have a following on social media they can leverage? Is the place they are going a place where soccer is a bigger deal? 

There are absolutely soccer players getting NIL deals, they are probably guys who already have 50k followers on tik tok when they get them though. If your kid is riding the bench most of the time for a mid tier d-1 team its probably not going to be much.

Nickel

May 5th, 2022 at 10:23 AM ^

I think it's likely to be pretty sparse for things like Men's soccer, unless you have one of those random situations where there's a wealthy alum of that particular school who loves soccer for some reason, maybe a professional soccer player who went there or something?

You see a lot of the examples of non FB/BB athletes landing NIL deals and they tend to be female, attractive and with a significant social media following even before the NIL deal is signed.

TeslaRedVictorBlue

May 5th, 2022 at 10:26 AM ^

Has to be the case for SEC Baseball players right? These guys, many of them, are future pros with big contracts coming. To get these guys, they have to give something - they are turning down millions in some cases go to school - and take a risk on either not turning out to be great or getting hurt.

My neighbor's son, since moved, was drafted out of HS and went in the 2nd round. He was given money over his slotted amount (something like 2-3M?) and had to choose that or UVa or South Carolina etc.. I wonder if at the time (4-5 years ago) if NIL was a thing and they offered him at least some sort of cash, if he would have switched.

Baseball in college isnt revenue producing, but its still a pipeline to a big revenue producing pro sport and kids have to pick college or pro early on and stick to it

funkywolve

May 5th, 2022 at 10:43 AM ^

Baseball in college really depends on the region.  In the north and midwest, it"s definitely a non-revenue sport.  At some of the southern schools, it might not be a revenue sport, but they probably aren't losing too much money.  Some of those southern schools put a few thousand people in the stands every game.

XM - Mt 1822

May 5th, 2022 at 1:48 PM ^

KH, you are correct if the context is you and i having a beer at charley's back in the day and somebody is handing out envelopes of $150 cash. if i get one i'll buy us both a round.  but in the context of choosing a school to play your favorite sport that is probably down at about reason #431 as to why you or i chose to go to school X over school Y.   

GoBlue1530

May 5th, 2022 at 11:04 AM ^

Arkansas softball just got a deal with a Buick GMC dealership with all 27 athletes. They also signed eight ladies in the top 25 in the class of 2022 in a sport with 12 full scholarships, and I'm guessing this deal might have helped sign the class? 

GET OFF YOUR H…

May 5th, 2022 at 11:40 AM ^

The deals are happening.  It's just not publicized.  I think people are confused with what NIL is.  It's not schools and the available money they have....scholarships have nothing to do with it.  It's a local business picking the womens gymnastics team to run ads for them and paying them.  It's not the school paying them, scholarships, etc.  It's not going to happen at the volume or price point of FB and BB.  But its going to happen and already is.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

May 5th, 2022 at 1:10 PM ^

I know this sounds crass, but is your student-athlete attractive or unique enough that they'll draw the attention of millions of people?

If yes, it doesn't matter what sport they play, they'll get brand deals. 

Michigan Arrogance

May 5th, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^

I'd imagine that it depends on the athlete. Unless there is some booster at 'State U' who wants to give money to soccer players b/c they like soccer, I'd guess that if your kid can be described as an influencer then they might be able to pull some decent money. If not, probably not.

los barcos

May 5th, 2022 at 4:53 PM ^

This was an article from the WAPO a couple months back.  Who’s making the most from NIL? Women’s basketball is near the top.  I meant to post about it, but then got too lazy.

The long and the short of it is - women have done very well in the NIL market because they, according to the article, are better at marketing over social media than their male counterparts.  They can also generally reach a different demographic that may not be your traditional sports-follower.  All this to say, NIL has certainly opened the space for non-revenue sports as long as the specific athlete is able to bring something unique and marketable to the table. 

LSAClassOf2000

May 5th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^

As others have said, a fair number of these are already out there, but they get much less publicity. 

At least for Michigan, it would be neat to see more Ann Arbor-area businesses start availing themselves of the opportunity and get the players from various sports in on deals, even if minor ones. A few already have, but mostly latching onto football / basketball success when we have a long list of successful non-revenue programs that could benefit. 

Harbone IV

November 21st, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^

This is definitely happening on a fan/collective basis as well. The difference is the pots of money are smaller so it doesn't make sense to create a collective to pay a non-revenue sport $500,000/year when the legal/accounting fees would eat significantly into that. (I got that example from talking to someone close to a particular Michigan program.) But there are platforms out there that smaller "collectives" (groups of boosters) and individual fans can use. E.g., I saw this news over on Maize n Brew.